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Ripdoffrolex · 8 January 2014, 05:17 PM

If anyone comes across the so called reputable Rolex dealer David or Jordan Gelerman from Global time run away fast! These guys are thieves and cheats. I bought an Explorer 2 from them and the entire watch was fake. They stole my money and tried to BS me about it. I have records from both a solid dealer and Rolex who both confirmed the watch to be fake. These guys are scum bag thieves.

jolimont · 8 January 2014, 10:45 PM

Sorry to hear that

Pics?

brandrea · 8 January 2014, 10:48 PM

Oh no, not again .... I'm very sorry to hear this happened! Do you have any recourse to get your money back? Did you check references before hand?

Bangel · 8 January 2014, 11:13 PM

That's terrible. Any details you could elaborate on?

accce · 8 January 2014, 11:27 PM

Did you use a CC? If so call your company to see if they can help get your $ back.

dysondiver · 8 January 2014, 11:28 PM

there seems to be a huge number of scams about at the moment.
i think its a mix of better fakes and worse times financially .

TempoKing · 14 January 2014, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dysondiver

there seems to be a huge number of scams about at the moment.
i think its a mix of better fakes and worse times financially .

I saw a pro hunter Explorer II which had a movement that was better
looking than the real one (!) but a copy
...I know crazy... so when I asked the price in China ?
...I was told if you order 3.000 pieces - Only... $600 each...wow
Be carefull out there - make sure you have recource

MonBK · 8 January 2014, 11:46 PM

Where was the watch advertised?

Cc1966 · 9 January 2014, 02:07 AM

A high end replica Black Explorer II is VERY difficult to detect with just photographs. Hopefully you paid via credit card, as this gives you recourse. Good luck and sorry to hear your story.

socalwatchcollector · 9 January 2014, 02:41 AM

This thread is all about Jordan I believe.. Looks like he was banned some time ago

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=189554

Mosco · 9 January 2014, 03:02 AM

yeah, our group noticed something was seriously off with him a few months ago and perma-banned him. Sorry this happened.

socalwatchcollector · 9 January 2014, 03:10 AM

The thread I posted was from 2011, Looks like hes been at this a while...

Mosco · 9 January 2014, 03:46 AM

just for clarification, David Gelerman is Jordan's dad and is the owner of Global Time. They had a falling out afaik, and Jordan is doing his own thing. The kid looks 12, but is actually 16-17, and is a bit of an asshole. Here he is doing his best impression of a man:

and here is what he thinks of your loss (and likely what he spent the money he gained scamming on):

jjnd08 · 20 February 2015, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

just for clarification, David Gelerman is Jordan's dad and is the owner of Global Time. They had a falling out afaik, and Jordan is doing his own thing. The kid looks 12, but is actually 16-17, and is a bit of an asshole. Here he is doing his best impression of a man:

and here is what he thinks of your loss (and likely what he spent the money he gained scamming on):

I've heard of people having a face you just want to punch - this guy defines that saying.

Lordofrolex · 16 August 2016, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjnd08

I've heard of people having a face you just want to punch - this guy defines that saying.

lol

dnagwhogas · 9 January 2014, 03:53 AM

OUCH! ha ha ha ha ha

mailman · 9 January 2014, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnagwhogas

OUCH! ha ha ha ha ha

I fail to find humor in someone being robbed. It's very poor taste and insulting. Maybe you can enlighten us a bit? It's not a request either. If you're someone who thinks being a dishonest person and blatant crook then TRF isn't for you.

dnagwhogas · 14 May 2014, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

I fail to find humor in someone being robbed. It's very poor taste and insulting. Maybe you can enlighten us a bit? It's not a request either. If you're someone who thinks being a dishonest person and blatant crook then TRF isn't for you.

I was referring to Greg's quote:

http://rolexforums.com/showpost.php?...7&postcount=12

I hope this clarifies it.

Thank you.

dysondiver · 9 January 2014, 03:59 AM

i hope this ends properly ,,,,

gabagcaoili95 · 9 January 2014, 04:09 AM

It pains me to see more and more of these SCAMMERS here in our community... I hope this all ends well.

mailman · 9 January 2014, 07:01 AM

He's been banned from TRF as time-wise and GlobalGooch69.

SL1229 · 9 January 2014, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

He's been banned from TRF as time-wise and GlobalGooch69.

GlobalGooch69?!? Forehead SMACK!

bayerische · 9 January 2014, 08:12 AM

Sorry to hear this. That kid seems to be a douche.

mailman · 9 January 2014, 10:15 AM

Another name is timewise12345.

His phone # is 617-602-5446

Mosco · 9 January 2014, 12:10 PM

OP, was the watch purchased from Jordan or David? They are not the same entity, no reason to bundle them together in the accusations. But if we figure out exactly who is at fault here, I believe we can help.

southtexas · 9 January 2014, 12:39 PM

One post and he's gone?

bmpwatch · 9 January 2014, 01:56 PM

617 number....unfortunate that a dealer like this exists near my hometown of Boston, and judging by this kids pictures looks like he thinks he's a real "hotshot"

teqp · 9 January 2014, 02:18 PM

Hope the OP gets this resolved. If not hope he comes back here as there's some folks here that have some good intel and hopefully can help in this situation. Nice work folks!

bayerische · 9 January 2014, 02:27 PM

I'm amazed a 16 year old kid deals in high-end watches...

Whorology · 9 January 2014, 02:34 PM

I do not regularly post or peruse this forum (due to time constraints). Upon being notified of this thread, I felt compelled to chime in regarding my experiences with the Gelermans.

David Gelerman operates Global Time and Jordan Gelerman operates Time Wise, these 2 businesses are separate entities. David and Jordan have not worked together for over 6 months.

I have known both of them for many years and have done a very substantial amount of pre-owned wholesale business with them (where I am the seller). The experience that the original poster has noted is very inconsistent with my experience as to how David and Jordan operate. I have partaken in hundreds of transactions with the Gelermans and they have always been honest, courteous and professional.

With that said, it is not outside the realm of possibility that a pre-owned dealer makes an error or mistake with a particular piece, but I believe that David and Jordan would take care of any reasonable issue brought to their attention. Jordan is a young man and can maybe practice better communication skills (I see he has rubbed a few folks the wrong way here), but he has always been a pure professional in my business dealings with him.

I have discussed the above matter with both of them individually and neither of them were aware of who this "client" is. David's Ebay handle Global Time has perfect feedback, which would obviously not be the case had a fraudulent transaction occurred.

I am sorry if anyone has had a bad experience with David or Jordan on this site--- but I wanted to share with you my experiences as an alternate viewpoint.

Feel free to contact me by PM or at 720-623-1502 if you have any questions or concerns.

8 January 2014, 05:17 PM	#1
Ripdoffrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1	David, Jordan Gelerman is a thief in my opinion If anyone comes across the so called reputable Rolex dealer David or Jordan Gelerman from Global time run away fast! These guys are thieves and cheats. I bought an Explorer 2 from them and the entire watch was fake. They stole my money and tried to BS me about it. I have records from both a solid dealer and Rolex who both confirmed the watch to be fake. These guys are scum bag thieves.

9 January 2014, 02:07 AM	#9
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	A high end replica Black Explorer II is VERY difficult to detect with just photographs. Hopefully you paid via credit card, as this gives you recourse. Good luck and sorry to hear your story. __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

9 January 2014, 03:02 AM	#11
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	yeah, our group noticed something was seriously off with him a few months ago and perma-banned him. Sorry this happened. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

9 January 2014, 03:46 AM	#13
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	just for clarification, David Gelerman is Jordan's dad and is the owner of Global Time. They had a falling out afaik, and Jordan is doing his own thing. The kid looks 12, but is actually 16-17, and is a bit of an asshole. Here he is doing his best impression of a man: and here is what he thinks of your loss (and likely what he spent the money he gained scamming on): __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

9 January 2014, 03:53 AM	#16
dnagwhogas "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: MauiBacerdo Location: Chicago Watch: N :Learn Posts: 902	OUCH! ha ha ha ha ha __________________ P-Club Member # 7 Time is what prevents everything from happening at once.

8 January 2014, 10:45 PM	#2
jolimont "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Will Location: land of oz Watch: sundial Posts: 2,219	Sorry to hear that Pics?

8 January 2014, 10:48 PM	#3
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,097	Oh no, not again .... I'm very sorry to hear this happened! Do you have any recourse to get your money back? Did you check references before hand?

8 January 2014, 11:13 PM	#4
Bangel "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Australia Watch: 116610LN Posts: 15,802	That's terrible. Any details you could elaborate on?

8 January 2014, 11:27 PM	#5
accce "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Chevy Chase Watch: WG Daytona Posts: 1,088	Did you use a CC? If so call your company to see if they can help get your $ back.

8 January 2014, 11:28 PM	#6
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	there seems to be a huge number of scams about at the moment. i think its a mix of better fakes and worse times financially .

8 January 2014, 11:46 PM	#8
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Where was the watch advertised?

9 January 2014, 02:41 AM	#10
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,620	This thread is all about Jordan I believe.. Looks like he was banned some time ago http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=189554

9 January 2014, 03:10 AM	#12
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,620	The thread I posted was from 2011, Looks like hes been at this a while...

9 January 2014, 03:59 AM	#19
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	i hope this ends properly ,,,,

9 January 2014, 04:09 AM	#20
gabagcaoili95 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: United States Posts: 7,407	Hayayay... It pains me to see more and more of these SCAMMERS here in our community... I hope this all ends well.

9 January 2014, 07:01 AM	#21
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	He's been banned from TRF as time-wise and GlobalGooch69. __________________ JJ

9 January 2014, 08:12 AM	#23
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Sorry to hear this. That kid seems to be a douche. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

9 January 2014, 10:15 AM	#24
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Another name is timewise12345. His phone # is 617-602-5446 __________________ JJ

9 January 2014, 12:10 PM	#25
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	OP, was the watch purchased from Jordan or David? They are not the same entity, no reason to bundle them together in the accusations. But if we figure out exactly who is at fault here, I believe we can help. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

9 January 2014, 12:39 PM	#26
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,764	One post and he's gone? __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

9 January 2014, 01:56 PM	#27
bmpwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Brad Location: Boston / FL Posts: 679	617 number....unfortunate that a dealer like this exists near my hometown of Boston, and judging by this kids pictures looks like he thinks he's a real "hotshot"

9 January 2014, 02:18 PM	#28
teqp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Phil Location: SoCal Watch: 116613LN Posts: 3,052	Hope the OP gets this resolved. If not hope he comes back here as there's some folks here that have some good intel and hopefully can help in this situation. Nice work folks!

9 January 2014, 02:27 PM	#29
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	I'm amazed a 16 year old kid deals in high-end watches... __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

9 January 2014, 02:34 PM	#30
Whorology "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Bajor Posts: 20	I do not regularly post or peruse this forum (due to time constraints). Upon being notified of this thread, I felt compelled to chime in regarding my experiences with the Gelermans. David Gelerman operates Global Time and Jordan Gelerman operates Time Wise, these 2 businesses are separate entities. David and Jordan have not worked together for over 6 months. I have known both of them for many years and have done a very substantial amount of pre-owned wholesale business with them (where I am the seller). The experience that the original poster has noted is very inconsistent with my experience as to how David and Jordan operate. I have partaken in hundreds of transactions with the Gelermans and they have always been honest, courteous and professional. With that said, it is not outside the realm of possibility that a pre-owned dealer makes an error or mistake with a particular piece, but I believe that David and Jordan would take care of any reasonable issue brought to their attention. Jordan is a young man and can maybe practice better communication skills (I see he has rubbed a few folks the wrong way here), but he has always been a pure professional in my business dealings with him. I have discussed the above matter with both of them individually and neither of them were aware of who this "client" is. David's Ebay handle Global Time has perfect feedback, which would obviously not be the case had a fraudulent transaction occurred. I am sorry if anyone has had a bad experience with David or Jordan on this site--- but I wanted to share with you my experiences as an alternate viewpoint. Feel free to contact me by PM or at 720-623-1502 if you have any questions or concerns.

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