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Peterlaab · 13 February 2014, 01:42 AM

Hello to all

Hope you all can help in my first submariner purchase. I am coming from a Seamaster PO, which was great, but feel I am ready to get a more classic watch that is a bit less sporty without being a dedicated dress watch.

I have narrowed it down to either a 16610 or one of the newer GMT ceramics. I think these both fit the bill for what I need and i do not like the smaller crown of the old GMT, and the submariner is just such a classic and goes well with all kinds of clothes and occassions.

I have just returned from a meeting with a local guy who has a really nice 16610 from 2003 for sale. He is asking 3750 euros for it with box but no papers other than reciept from when he bought it second hand some years ago.

The price seems fair enough for the general going rate here, but I am not too much into Rolex, so hope you guys can chime in on what a reasonable condition is for that price and if this watch matches those criteria.

I shot some pictures with my phone, and hope you can guide me to more knowledge and inside, and hopefully help me truly indentify if everything looks to be as it should

[URL=https://imageshack.com/i/n7os6uj]

padi56 · 13 February 2014, 01:54 AM

Watch looks in good condition for 2003 as for price well pay what you are comfortable to pay.The so called papers which in the real world was just a warranty and now long expired the watch is the most important.

Jeffa32 · 13 February 2014, 01:57 AM

I would find out when the watch was last serviced. If this is unknown, you have either haggle the price down or steer clear. Servicing could be 500+ euros depending on the work that needs doing. The watch should have had 2 services by now, one every 5 years.

Peterlaab · 13 February 2014, 02:16 AM

thanks for you replies :)

I don't think it has been kept with the service - but it sounded smooth and rotor was much more silent than my PO was, so hope that was a good sign. Maybe I can ask him if he knows more of the history, but I would think he would have made the effort to mention it if he did, as it would make the watch more attractive.

I really liked it, though, and even though I know this is normally considered a "bad" thing, it was obvious that the watch had seen some polishing at some point, but I find that softened and worn in feel very comfortable and desirable :)

One thing I noticed, however, was that the bezel didn't turn very smoothly and tended to be tighter in some spots than others. Definetely a far fetch from a new ceramic sub, and felt sort of cheap to be honest - is this normal and can it be fixed?

thanks :)

petenyc · 13 February 2014, 02:26 AM

nice watch and pics

116618wannabee · 13 February 2014, 08:08 AM

How much is the gmt?

Personally I use the bezel dial a lot for parking meter timing so I go with the sub. And the sub is great for resale .

But I wouldn't buy a rolex without papers. Are you in a rush? Maybe be patient and wait.

13 February 2014, 01:42 AM	#1
Peterlaab "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Denmark Posts: 2	Help with submariner purchase Hello to all Hope you all can help in my first submariner purchase. I am coming from a Seamaster PO, which was great, but feel I am ready to get a more classic watch that is a bit less sporty without being a dedicated dress watch. I have narrowed it down to either a 16610 or one of the newer GMT ceramics. I think these both fit the bill for what I need and i do not like the smaller crown of the old GMT, and the submariner is just such a classic and goes well with all kinds of clothes and occassions. I have just returned from a meeting with a local guy who has a really nice 16610 from 2003 for sale. He is asking 3750 euros for it with box but no papers other than reciept from when he bought it second hand some years ago. The price seems fair enough for the general going rate here, but I am not too much into Rolex, so hope you guys can chime in on what a reasonable condition is for that price and if this watch matches those criteria. I shot some pictures with my phone, and hope you can guide me to more knowledge and inside, and hopefully help me truly indentify if everything looks to be as it should [URL=https://imageshack.com/i/n7os6uj]

13 February 2014, 01:54 AM	#2
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Watch looks in good condition for 2003 as for price well pay what you are comfortable to pay.The so called papers which in the real world was just a warranty and now long expired the watch is the most important. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

13 February 2014, 01:57 AM	#3
Jeffa32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Singapore Watch: Datejust II Posts: 426	I would find out when the watch was last serviced. If this is unknown, you have either haggle the price down or steer clear. Servicing could be 500+ euros depending on the work that needs doing. The watch should have had 2 services by now, one every 5 years. __________________ Omega Speedmaster, Breitling Steelfish, Datejust II, IWC Portofino Chronograph, Planet Ocean Liquidmetal XL, BLNR, IWC Portuguese 7 day

13 February 2014, 02:16 AM	#4
Peterlaab "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Denmark Posts: 2	thanks for you replies :) I don't think it has been kept with the service - but it sounded smooth and rotor was much more silent than my PO was, so hope that was a good sign. Maybe I can ask him if he knows more of the history, but I would think he would have made the effort to mention it if he did, as it would make the watch more attractive. I really liked it, though, and even though I know this is normally considered a "bad" thing, it was obvious that the watch had seen some polishing at some point, but I find that softened and worn in feel very comfortable and desirable :) One thing I noticed, however, was that the bezel didn't turn very smoothly and tended to be tighter in some spots than others. Definetely a far fetch from a new ceramic sub, and felt sort of cheap to be honest - is this normal and can it be fixed? thanks :)

13 February 2014, 02:26 AM	#5
petenyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: pete Location: NYC Watch: 116610LN Posts: 1,011	nice watch and pics

13 February 2014, 08:08 AM	#6
116618wannabee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: NYC Watch: Your parking meter Posts: 74	How much is the gmt? Personally I use the bezel dial a lot for parking meter timing so I go with the sub. And the sub is great for resale . But I wouldn't buy a rolex without papers. Are you in a rush? Maybe be patient and wait.

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