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wmthedirector · 26 February 2008, 02:26 AM

i know some one covered this isue before, but i just blew up a new picture of my sub and i didnt see the crown, why
and yesterday i was in TARGET and they have a big magnifying glass, i tried to see my crown on it and didnt see it,
i have to check my serial number and when it was manufactured to see , or maybe i should take a better picture and enlarge it,

plz guys help

JJ Irani · 26 February 2008, 02:32 AM

If your watch was manufactured prior to 2002, it may not have the laser etching.

JJ

TDH · 26 February 2008, 02:34 AM

How old is your SUB, as far as I recollect the LEC Laser Etched coronet became standard issue on all Rollies from 2003 onwards. Sometimes it can be seen at a particular angle and a 10x loupe would definitely help.

Good luck in finding it.

TARDIS · 8 March 2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TDH

How old is your SUB, as far as I recollect the LEC Laser Etched coronet became standard issue on all Rollies from 2003 onwards. Sometimes it can be seen at a particular angle and a 10x loupe would definitely help.

Good luck in finding it.

Yes a 10x loupe and oblique lighting.

The etched coronet came in the first series production of the new millenium. (2001).

I believe 'P' series onwards.

Steve

wantonebad · 26 February 2008, 02:42 AM

It's not easy to see. If your model is after the time period the etching started than you need to blow it up much larger than the picture above, at least twice that size and you do need to come at it from an angle as Jay said, as if your going to land an airplane on the crystal touching down at 6 o'clock. I couldn't see mine with a magnifying glass I had to buy a loupe

JJ Irani · 26 February 2008, 02:45 AM

The BLUE Sub is probably the easiest Rolex model to spot the etching. If you can't see it even with a 10x loupe, then it's not there.

JJ

Tools · 26 February 2008, 03:16 AM

It's not easy to find...

It's smaller than the head of a pin and the focal point is the back side of the crystal.

For example, if you have on your loupe and are scanning with the dial in focus, you will never find it because it is above that and out of focus.

The best way is with the 10x loupe, light entering from the side of the crystal, then focus on the SWISS MADE and slowly pull the watch away from you until the crown comes into focus..

Side lighted, and notice everyting else is slighty out of focus..

SPACE-DWELLER · 26 February 2008, 03:32 AM

And if you let the light enter from a small flashlight, lighting with it from the 12 towards the 6 o' clock position, the flashlight will literally make the LEC (Laser Etched Coronet) glow up.

MAC4130 · 8 March 2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

And if you let the light enter from a small flashlight, lighting with it from the 12 towards the 6 o' clock position, the flashlight will literally make the LEC (Laser Etched Coronet) glow up.

Hey it works great!!!! Thanks for the tip Bo!

DSJ · 18 March 2008, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

And if you let the light enter from a small flashlight, lighting with it from the 12 towards the 6 o' clock position, the flashlight will literally make the LEC (Laser Etched Coronet) glow up.

This works incredibly well! Until a moment ago, I had never been able to see the LEC crown on my Explorer II and thought it didn't have one, being from 2004. But with my old 30K CP Streamlight, it lights up clear as clear to the naked eye! Thanks for the tip!

I also was thinking his 16613 did not have the LEC, since it had lug holes in the side.

Henrolex · 7 March 2008, 01:49 PM

i have gmt master 1 T series 1996, but when the sapphire crystal was deeply scratch, i ask the AD to change it with the new one. Then now, there is laser etching on its crystal (originally didn't have laser etching). Will it be a problem when i want to sell it a few years later

ZROLEX · 18 March 2008, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Henrolex

i have gmt master 1 T series 1996, but when the sapphire crystal was deeply scratch, i ask the AD to change it with the new one. Then now, there is laser etching on its crystal (originally didn't have laser etching). Will it be a problem when i want to sell it a few years later

How did you managed to deeply scratch the sapphire crystal???? I thought you can not scratch it unless you use the tool to cut the glass with special diamond on it???

hsung · 11 September 2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

It's not easy to find...

It's smaller than the head of a pin and the focal point is the back side of the crystal.

For example, if you have on your loupe and are scanning with the dial in focus, you will never find it because it is above that and out of focus.

The best way is with the 10x loupe, light entering from the side of the crystal, then focus on the SWISS MADE and slowly pull the watch away from you until the crown comes into focus..

Side lighted, and notice everyting else is slighty out of focus..

Using Tool's instructions, I saw mine with the naked eye except it's out of focus. Initially, I had some doubts as to whether it was a smudge on the crystal, but it was still there after I wiped the spot

Like To Watch · 18 January 2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

It's not easy to find...

What agreat photo.

samsung82 · 26 February 2008, 07:08 AM

maybe not sure

1MAC · 26 February 2008, 07:18 AM

This watch has the holes in the lugs. Are there models with holes and LEC?

Orchi · 26 February 2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MAC

This watch has the holes in the lugs. Are there models with holes and LEC?

Err buddy 1Mac Mike...Yes n No...you buddy...have a pair of keen eyes...n sharp knowledge of the watch...

n NO...as little as Orchi knows the Ref 16610 Submariner with holes on lugs...would certainly NOT have the LEC...

vegasvince · 26 February 2008, 07:28 AM

I think it also makes it easier when you try to look for it against certain dials. I can easily see the LEC on my SeaDweller, but I can't find it on my Platty.

Ed Rooney · 18 March 2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Orchi

Err buddy 1Mac Mike...Yes n No...you buddy...have a pair of keen eyes...n sharp knowledge of the watch...

n NO...as little as Orchi knows the Ref 16610 Submariner with holes on lugs...would certainly NOT have the LEC...

My Y-serial 16610 had lug holes and the LEC.

mhaedo · 18 January 2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orchi

Err buddy 1Mac Mike...Yes n No...you buddy...have a pair of keen eyes...n sharp knowledge of the watch...

n NO...as little as Orchi knows the Ref 16610 Submariner with holes on lugs...would certainly NOT have the LEC...

My Y serial also has both lug holes and the LEC.

Overkill · 19 March 2008, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1MAC

This watch has the holes in the lugs. Are there models with holes and LEC?

My Y series (2003) Submariner Date 16610 has case holes and laser etched crown (LEC) on the crystal, with no S.

DSJ · 10 April 2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1MAC

This watch has the holes in the lugs. Are there models with holes and LEC?

That's what I was thinking...

Oh CRUD, I didn't realize the vintage of this thread. I was blinded by the pretty 16613 and never looked at the date!

Z-Sub · 3 August 2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1MAC

This watch has the holes in the lugs. Are there models with holes and LEC?

Y serials still has the lugholes. It's late Y that Rolex transitioned to no lugholes. It's also Y serial that starts to have the LEC. at exactly what date does a Y serial gets LEC is unknown except Rolex

SSD · 26 February 2008, 11:53 AM

A steep lighting angle is absolutely necessary to find the happy little rascal! But once you do, it really jumps out, despite being so tiny. The light needs to be approcaching the viewer's eyes too, no more than 20-30 degrees off I'd say.

I'll bet the Platty's dial makes it darn near impossible to find at all. Does anyone have a pic of a Platty's coronet? That would be cool, as most of the others are taken with watches with dark dials. Jocke? JJ?

vh_bu98 · 8 March 2008, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SSD

A steep lighting angle is absolutely necessary to find the happy little rascal! But once you do, it really jumps out, despite being so tiny. The light needs to be approcaching the viewer's eyes too, no more than 20-30 degrees off I'd say.

I'll bet the Platty's dial makes it darn near impossible to find at all. Does anyone have a pic of a Platty's coronet? That would be cool, as most of the others are taken with watches with dark dials. Jocke? JJ?

Dark dials make it much easier to see the LEC. I was able to see it on the LV with the naked eye, but I can't with the platinum YM. I had to pull out my macro lens and was able to get a shot of the LEC on my YM. Not the greatest of picture since I was being lazy. What I found strange is that it looks like there's another coronet, but larger below. I'm not sure if it's just a reflection or something.

Sean84 · 26 February 2008, 12:56 PM

I saw my etching on my Z series Sub 16610 with my naked eye and the watch next to a lamp....once you find it the thing really sticks out.

cbrenthus · 8 March 2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean84

I saw my etching on my Z series Sub 16610 with my naked eye and the watch next to a lamp....once you find it the thing really sticks out.

I can find mine pretty much anytime I want, but I go cross eyed for about an hour after!

wmthedirector · 26 February 2008, 02:09 PM

i just came home, , I thank all of you for your help, i just opened the box and the seriel number starts with Y so its sep. 2002, no crown , its ok i think i saw on my YM , its 11 pm now and Iam tired, you are really good peopl here, tomorow i hope, if i log on, i can share with you few things, thanks again
every body,
sean 84/ SSD/VEGASVINCE/ MIKE/ BO/ LARRY/ BOLD MAN, I MEAN JJ/ MARK/ JAY

Markg · 9 April 2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wmthedirector

the seriel number starts with Y so its sep. 2002, no crown ,

we have a "Y" ladies oyster and a "K" DD, both have the crown

1MAC · 7 March 2008, 10:35 PM

I think service replacement crystals that come with LEC have a tiny S along with the coronet.

26 February 2008, 02:26 AM	#1
wmthedirector "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 371	The CROWN ON THE CRYSTAL i know some one covered this isue before, but i just blew up a new picture of my sub and i didnt see the crown, why and yesterday i was in TARGET and they have a big magnifying glass, i tried to see my crown on it and didnt see it, i have to check my serial number and when it was manufactured to see , or maybe i should take a better picture and enlarge it, plz guys help

26 February 2008, 02:32 AM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	If your watch was manufactured prior to 2002, it may not have the laser etching. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

26 February 2008, 02:45 AM	#6
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	The BLUE Sub is probably the easiest Rolex model to spot the etching. If you can't see it even with a 10x loupe, then it's not there. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

26 February 2008, 03:16 AM	#7
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	It's not easy to find... It's smaller than the head of a pin and the focal point is the back side of the crystal. For example, if you have on your loupe and are scanning with the dial in focus, you will never find it because it is above that and out of focus. The best way is with the 10x loupe, light entering from the side of the crystal, then focus on the SWISS MADE and slowly pull the watch away from you until the crown comes into focus.. Side lighted, and notice everyting else is slighty out of focus.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

26 February 2008, 03:32 AM	#8
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	And if you let the light enter from a small flashlight, lighting with it from the 12 towards the 6 o' clock position, the flashlight will literally make the LEC (Laser Etched Coronet) glow up. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

26 February 2008, 02:34 AM	#3
TDH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Jay Location: Here n there Watch: Sub Posts: 1,641	How old is your SUB, as far as I recollect the LEC Laser Etched coronet became standard issue on all Rollies from 2003 onwards. Sometimes it can be seen at a particular angle and a 10x loupe would definitely help. Good luck in finding it.

26 February 2008, 02:42 AM	#5
wantonebad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,849	It's not easy to see. If your model is after the time period the etching started than you need to blow it up much larger than the picture above, at least twice that size and you do need to come at it from an angle as Jay said, as if your going to land an airplane on the crystal touching down at 6 o'clock. I couldn't see mine with a magnifying glass I had to buy a loupe

7 March 2008, 01:49 PM	#11
Henrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: indonesia Watch: gmt pepsi,ym,sublv Posts: 14	i have gmt master 1 T series 1996, but when the sapphire crystal was deeply scratch, i ask the AD to change it with the new one. Then now, there is laser etching on its crystal (originally didn't have laser etching). Will it be a problem when i want to sell it a few years later

26 February 2008, 07:08 AM	#15
samsung82 Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: las vegas Posts: 70	maybe not sure

26 February 2008, 07:18 AM	#16
1MAC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Leawood, Kansas Watch: Submariner 16610 Posts: 854	This watch has the holes in the lugs. Are there models with holes and LEC?

26 February 2008, 07:28 AM	#18
vegasvince "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Vincent Location: Vegas, baby! Watch: one from ShopNBC! Posts: 436	I think it also makes it easier when you try to look for it against certain dials. I can easily see the LEC on my SeaDweller, but I can't find it on my Platty. __________________ SeaDweller "Z" Yachtmaster "Z" Oyster Perpetual "M"

26 February 2008, 11:53 AM	#24
SSD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jamie Location: Georgia Watch: Stainless Sub Date Posts: 3,023	A steep lighting angle is absolutely necessary to find the happy little rascal! But once you do, it really jumps out, despite being so tiny. The light needs to be approcaching the viewer's eyes too, no more than 20-30 degrees off I'd say. I'll bet the Platty's dial makes it darn near impossible to find at all. Does anyone have a pic of a Platty's coronet? That would be cool, as most of the others are taken with watches with dark dials. Jocke? JJ? __________________ SUBMARINER OWNERS' CLUB ESTABLISHED 1953 TRF Member # 5464

26 February 2008, 12:56 PM	#26
Sean84 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 96	I saw my etching on my Z series Sub 16610 with my naked eye and the watch next to a lamp....once you find it the thing really sticks out.

26 February 2008, 02:09 PM	#28
wmthedirector "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 371	i just came home, , I thank all of you for your help, i just opened the box and the seriel number starts with Y so its sep. 2002, no crown , its ok i think i saw on my YM , its 11 pm now and Iam tired, you are really good peopl here, tomorow i hope, if i log on, i can share with you few things, thanks again every body, sean 84/ SSD/VEGASVINCE/ MIKE/ BO/ LARRY/ BOLD MAN, I MEAN JJ/ MARK/ JAY

7 March 2008, 10:35 PM	#30
1MAC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Leawood, Kansas Watch: Submariner 16610 Posts: 854	I think service replacement crystals that come with LEC have a tiny S along with the coronet.

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