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Ricky Rolex · 2 May 2014, 08:57 PM

Hi guys a friend of mine knows I'm interested in watches & in passing conversation said a guy he knows is selling his Yachtmaster. Put me in touch with him & as we're quite far apart have been communicating by text / pics

How's this look to you guys? I'm not an expert on YM's to be honest.

My friend hasn't a clue about watches & this guy is just an acquaintance if his. Any help really appreciated!!

nickb732 · 2 May 2014, 09:09 PM

The rehaut engraving at the 12 o'clock mark looks extremely poor, but could just be the pictures. You should have posted this in the Watchout! section. Plus, why does one YM come with 5 instruction manuals for different watches?

Ricky Rolex · 2 May 2014, 09:18 PM

He is a bit of a trader of watches by all accounts & was a picture he sent to show it has all boxes etc I guess not to sure. Maybe it was a pic he sends people interested in buying one of his watches I couldn't really say.

powerfunk · 3 May 2014, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricky Rolex

He is a bit of a trader of watches by all accounts & was a picture he sent to show it has all boxes etc I guess not to sure.

There's a pic of a Submariner on the same floor in your photobucket. Did the same guy send you that photo too?

crowncollection · 2 May 2014, 09:34 PM

Well alarm bells ring to me, something's a miss,you don't get old papers like that with a new engraved rehaut model. Also note he seems to get a new style warranty card that looks blank therefore a fake, unless photoshopped. I doubt the last photo has anything to do with the watch, I see no evidence of any link between the two at this time, don't rush, ask for a photo of the warranty showing the serial on it and the serial on the rehaut and if he can, pop the caseback off and photograph the movement with a piece of paper beside it with today's date and his name written on it in the background of these photos. Be careful, gather some more info, ask a few more questions. IMHO

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Baselman · 2 May 2014, 09:38 PM

Sound advice above I'd follow it - buy the seller when buying the watch if you don't even know him at all be aware.

beshannon · 2 May 2014, 09:47 PM

How compelling is this watch that you want to buy it in this manner?

kbutler1 · 2 May 2014, 10:02 PM

How far away are you 2? Maybe just meet at an AD to have it authenticated if it's not too bad.

rmfnla · 3 May 2014, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kbutler1

How far away are you 2? Maybe just meet at an AD to have it authenticated if it's not too bad.

All these definitive statements based on some really poor pictures.

This is the best advice, although it really doesn't have to be an AD; any decent jeweler could pull the back and authenticate it for you...

AK797 · 3 May 2014, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rmfnla

All these definitive statements based on some really poor pictures.

This is the best advice, although it really doesn't have to be an AD; any decent jeweler could pull the back and authenticate it for you...

No, these pics are fine and give away this is a poor fake, there are much better ones of the YM than this which would require a watchsmith.

AK797 · 2 May 2014, 10:14 PM

Bezel numbers not centred, stay away.

Invictus Maneo · 3 May 2014, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Bezel numbers not centred, stay away.

X2
Seems to me that the 3 and the 0 should be split by the six stick if the arrow is centered on the twelve above.

GEZ7ch · 2 May 2014, 10:15 PM

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I own this model, here are some photos I took of my watch.

Something look a bit strange in the rehaut in the photo you uploaded but maybe as it's the photo angle.

Onikage · 2 May 2014, 10:20 PM

Straight away the bezel looks wrong. Too much margin on the inside. Seriously unlucky if your friend has Yachty money in that thing.

Ricky Rolex · 2 May 2014, 10:31 PM

Thanks people much appreciated.

Just got hold of my jeweller who's on holiday in Barbados so didn't want to bother him. Sent him pics via whatsapp to get back to me in his own time. His reply > PROCEED WITH CAUTION

Coupled with what you guys said I think I'll swerve it.

Thanks very much you lovely people.

ltmgeller · 2 May 2014, 10:56 PM

Looks iffy

kilyung · 3 May 2014, 01:51 AM

Blank card? Um... no.

brettpaul · 3 May 2014, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Blank card? Um... no.

x2 on that mate! Blank card is way sketchy! Run away!

Jocke · 3 May 2014, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brettpaul

x2 on that mate! Blank card is way sketchy! Run away!

Blank card and a wrong cert and a bunch of manuals. It looks like there are paperwork for more than one watch.

Pete · 3 May 2014, 02:08 AM

I would steer clear. Those rehaut engravings give it away. Reps are getting better... but they have not perfected rehaut engraving.

Chewbacca · 3 May 2014, 02:11 AM

the crown is not flush on the back against the case and the rehaute is off. it might be a real band with a clone head. they're popping up more since the lug area is not serial numbered anymore. i'd walk.

datejust24 · 3 May 2014, 02:13 AM

sounds like im on my own here but I think it looks good...as stated a blank warranty card though? thats obviously an issue...

Vincent65 · 3 May 2014, 02:15 AM

watch looks wrong to me - run

antbkny · 3 May 2014, 02:27 AM

no good

Jocke · 3 May 2014, 02:42 AM

Run Forrest, run.

TheMethod · 3 May 2014, 03:41 AM

Bezel and Rehaut engraving looks off.

jmv831 · 3 May 2014, 03:44 AM

im not an expert but the date numbers looks way off. id stay away if i were you. buy from trusted seller here and you"ll be happy.

DrTom · 3 May 2014, 03:57 AM

it looks good to me until...held my known authentic yacht master next to the images...the engraving looks funky, the card could have photoshopped white box...but thats a bad idea, and the crown looks unscrewed in the the rear view vs screwed in but not totally in the front view....all the more to 'buy the seller and get it authenticated' and the bezel looks a bit wonky but its easy to get distortion of oblique on these close ups...

Jonnybhoy · 3 May 2014, 04:43 AM

CGs are wrong too. Crown defo not gen either

datejust24 · 3 May 2014, 04:59 AM

get some better pics. detailed pics.

2 May 2014, 08:57 PM	#1
Ricky Rolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: London Watch: Various Posts: 1,214	Help needed guys. Real Yachtmaster?? Hi guys a friend of mine knows I'm interested in watches & in passing conversation said a guy he knows is selling his Yachtmaster. Put me in touch with him & as we're quite far apart have been communicating by text / pics How's this look to you guys? I'm not an expert on YM's to be honest. My friend hasn't a clue about watches & this guy is just an acquaintance if his. Any help really appreciated!! __________________ Have previously owned & own ♛GMT II Coke 16710♛ ♛DateJust 16030♛ ♛Explorer 214270 mk2♛ Submariner 116610LN♛ 126711CHNR ♛

2 May 2014, 09:09 PM	#2
nickb732 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Nicholas Location: UK Posts: 2,630	The rehaut engraving at the 12 o'clock mark looks extremely poor, but could just be the pictures. You should have posted this in the Watchout! section. Plus, why does one YM come with 5 instruction manuals for different watches? __________________ Nick

2 May 2014, 09:18 PM	#3
Ricky Rolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: London Watch: Various Posts: 1,214	He is a bit of a trader of watches by all accounts & was a picture he sent to show it has all boxes etc I guess not to sure. Maybe it was a pic he sends people interested in buying one of his watches I couldn't really say. __________________ Have previously owned & own ♛GMT II Coke 16710♛ ♛DateJust 16030♛ ♛Explorer 214270 mk2♛ Submariner 116610LN♛ 126711CHNR ♛

2 May 2014, 09:34 PM	#5
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Well alarm bells ring to me, something's a miss,you don't get old papers like that with a new engraved rehaut model. Also note he seems to get a new style warranty card that looks blank therefore a fake, unless photoshopped. I doubt the last photo has anything to do with the watch, I see no evidence of any link between the two at this time, don't rush, ask for a photo of the warranty showing the serial on it and the serial on the rehaut and if he can, pop the caseback off and photograph the movement with a piece of paper beside it with today's date and his name written on it in the background of these photos. Be careful, gather some more info, ask a few more questions. IMHO Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

2 May 2014, 09:47 PM	#7
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	How compelling is this watch that you want to buy it in this manner? __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

2 May 2014, 09:38 PM	#6
Baselman "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Switzerland Watch: 1665 GreatWhite SD Posts: 1,527	Sound advice above I'd follow it - buy the seller when buying the watch if you don't even know him at all be aware.

2 May 2014, 10:02 PM	#8
kbutler1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Kevin Location: Colorado Watch: This one Posts: 633	How far away are you 2? Maybe just meet at an AD to have it authenticated if it's not too bad.

2 May 2014, 10:14 PM	#11
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Bezel numbers not centred, stay away.

2 May 2014, 10:15 PM	#13
GEZ7ch "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Israel Watch: Tag Heuer Wan2110 Posts: 397	I own this model, here are some photos I took of my watch. Something look a bit strange in the rehaut in the photo you uploaded but maybe as it's the photo angle. Attached Images __________________ ROLEX Yacht-Master 116622 Pt.Dial Tag Heuer Aquaracer Automatic WAN2110 and WAP2011 Longines HydroConquest Quartz Ref.L3.663.4.76.6 Certina DS - Action Diver Automatic 200m - Blue Dial

2 May 2014, 10:20 PM	#14
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Straight away the bezel looks wrong. Too much margin on the inside. Seriously unlucky if your friend has Yachty money in that thing. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

2 May 2014, 10:31 PM	#15
Ricky Rolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: London Watch: Various Posts: 1,214	Thanks people much appreciated. Just got hold of my jeweller who's on holiday in Barbados so didn't want to bother him. Sent him pics via whatsapp to get back to me in his own time. His reply > PROCEED WITH CAUTION Coupled with what you guys said I think I'll swerve it. Thanks very much you lovely people. __________________ Have previously owned & own ♛GMT II Coke 16710♛ ♛DateJust 16030♛ ♛Explorer 214270 mk2♛ Submariner 116610LN♛ 126711CHNR ♛

2 May 2014, 10:56 PM	#16
ltmgeller 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 22,574	Looks iffy

3 May 2014, 01:51 AM	#17
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Blank card? Um... no.

3 May 2014, 02:08 AM	#20
Pete "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Real Name: Pete Location: Guelph Watch: 16610/216570 Posts: 678	I would steer clear. Those rehaut engravings give it away. Reps are getting better... but they have not perfected rehaut engraving. __________________ Pete - Guelph ON - 16610 D / 216570 Member #745 RIP JJ "Always in our hearts, and on our wrists" "I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"

3 May 2014, 02:11 AM	#21
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	the crown is not flush on the back against the case and the rehaute is off. it might be a real band with a clone head. they're popping up more since the lug area is not serial numbered anymore. i'd walk.

3 May 2014, 02:13 AM	#22
datejust24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Watch: Rolexssss Posts: 3,504	sounds like im on my own here but I think it looks good...as stated a blank warranty card though? thats obviously an issue...

3 May 2014, 02:15 AM	#23
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	watch looks wrong to me - run

3 May 2014, 02:27 AM	#24
antbkny "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Anthony Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Dblue Posts: 6,723	no good

3 May 2014, 02:42 AM	#25
Jocke 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,541	Run Forrest, run. __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

3 May 2014, 03:41 AM	#26
TheMethod "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Atlanta, GA Watch: Rolex, AP, GS, JLC Posts: 790	Bezel and Rehaut engraving looks off.

3 May 2014, 03:44 AM	#27
jmv831 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Joel Location: Monterey CA Posts: 42	im not an expert but the date numbers looks way off. id stay away if i were you. buy from trusted seller here and you"ll be happy.

3 May 2014, 03:57 AM	#28
DrTom "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Canada Watch: gmt master Posts: 428	it looks good to me until...held my known authentic yacht master next to the images...the engraving looks funky, the card could have photoshopped white box...but thats a bad idea, and the crown looks unscrewed in the the rear view vs screwed in but not totally in the front view....all the more to 'buy the seller and get it authenticated' and the bezel looks a bit wonky but its easy to get distortion of oblique on these close ups...

3 May 2014, 04:43 AM	#29
Jonnybhoy "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: UK Posts: 91	CGs are wrong too. Crown defo not gen either

3 May 2014, 04:59 AM	#30
datejust24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Watch: Rolexssss Posts: 3,504	get some better pics. detailed pics.

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