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PoderEsBueno · 20 May 2014, 09:22 AM

Hey Everybody,

This time I am in search of a submariner which will team up with my 1675 for daily wear. I have been checking out some varieties of 5513, 1680 and 16800 and i feel close to 16800 transitional so far which is between vintage and modern. I might even be able to take it for a swim after getting done the under pressure test. What do you think about this 16800 that i come across, and two others (1680), plus (5513) just alternatives to 16800. What i would like to have is a nicely faded insert and a good example of alikes. Here they are, I appreciate any comments and suggestions.

Ref.16800/1982

I really like the insert on 16800 and the nice patina on the lumes. I have a doubt about the crown guards tough, do they look a little weak or it may just be the light.

Ref.1680/1979

Please visit the link for further more photos..
http://www.perpetualwatch.fr/acheter...er--1680&id=19
I also liked the 1680. It has a nice almost ghost insert and bright lumes.

Ref.5513/1982

Please check the link for further more photos..
http://www.perpetualwatch.fr/acheter...ner-5513&id=12

shane0mack · 20 May 2014, 09:45 AM

I'm a bit biased I guess, since I wear a 16800, but that's what I'd probably pick again. That is, unless it was a secondary watch, then I'd probably want a more rare vintage piece. I love the IDEA of an older, plexi-clad Sub, but, in practice, I really prefer the sapphire.

bluemartinifan · 20 May 2014, 10:53 AM

16800 if you want to shower and swim with it - and youre right, the crown guards are a little thin - but the rest of the 16800 is beautiful.

PoderEsBueno · 20 May 2014, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluemartinifan

16800 if you want to shower and swim with it - and youre right, the crown guards are a little thin - but the rest of the 16800 is beautiful.

Thanks

PoderEsBueno · 20 May 2014, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane0mack

I'm a bit biased I guess, since I wear a 16800, but that's what I'd probably pick again. That is, unless it was a secondary watch, then I'd probably want a more rare vintage piece. I love the IDEA of an older, plexi-clad Sub, but, in practice, I really prefer the sapphire.

Thanks for the comment

I guess i like the look of the plexi a little more but just this 16800 seems to have very nice tone to it incase of patina on insert and lumes.

Vincent65 · 20 May 2014, 03:36 PM

I see no reason why a 16800 is better to swim with than a 1680 or other sub. Looks nice. get the one you prefer - good luck!

PoderEsBueno · 20 May 2014, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent65

I see no reason why a 16800 is better to swim with than a 1680 or other sub. Looks nice. get the one you prefer - good luck!

Wouldn't be the sapphire crystal more waterproof compare to the plexi glass?
And do you think the case looks ok both in 16800 and 1680?
Thanks

shane0mack · 20 May 2014, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoderEsBueno

Wouldn't be the sapphire crystal more waterproof compare to the plexi glass?
And do you think the case looks ok both in 16800 and 1680?
Thanks

The sapphire won't degrade over time, or, not nearly as much as a plexi. The degradation of plexi can decrease water resistance. On a sapphire crystal watch, really only need to worry about the seals/gaskets being in working condition with regard to water resistance.

I'd probably want to see more pictures of both cases to get a better feel. The 1680 lugs look a bit thin, but the end links look like they fit snugly, so, I could be wrong.

Clay · 20 May 2014, 10:31 PM

I think the 16800 is a fabulous watch and grossly under appreciated…

After having owned both the Matte Dial 16800 and the 1680 I must admit I prefer the 16800…

I have found, over the years, that a Matte Dial seems to look "Nicer" when viewed through a Sapphire crystal…I'm sure there are many who would disagree, but if you compare the two side by side, I think you'll see what I mean…

This is of course only one mans opinion…

The 5513 is a separate animal… And a wonderful watch…

Regarding the 16800 you have there, I have never seen one with a "Silver" Date Wheel…???

These are usually, as with the 16660, an "Off White"…???

No biggie, just thought I would mention it…Great looking watch though...

PoderEsBueno · 20 May 2014, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

I think the 16800 is a fabulous watch and grossly under appreciated…

After having owned both the Matte Dial 16800 and the 1680 I must admit I prefer the 16800…

I have found, over the years, that a Matte Dial seems to look "Nicer" when viewed through a Sapphire crystal…I'm sure there are many who would disagree, but if you compare the two side by side, I think you'll see what I mean…

This is of course only one mans opinion…

The 5513 is a separate animal… And a wonderful watch…

Regarding the 16800 you have there, I have never seen one with a "Silver" Date Wheel…???

These are usually, as with the 16660, an "Off White"…???

No biggie, just thought I would mention it…Great looking watch though...

Thanks for sharing your experience Clay

About the Silver Date Wheel, do you mean the 16800 in the photo is wrong? I didn't get it right..

Clay · 20 May 2014, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoderEsBueno

Thanks for sharing your experience Clay

About the Silver Date Wheel, do you mean the 16800 in the photo is wrong? I didn't get it right..

I'm not necessarily saying it's wrong…For all I know there were a few 16800's that came with a Silver Date Wheel…???

But in my experience, the Date Wheels were all an Off White Color, not silver…

But there are certainly many people here who know much more then I do, maybe someone else will chime in…?!?!?!

shane0mack · 20 May 2014, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

I'm not necessarily saying it's wrong…For all I know there were a few 16800's that came with a Silver Date Wheel…???

But in my experience, the Date Wheels were all an Off White Color, not silver…

But there are certainly many people here who know much more then I do, maybe someone else will chime in…?!?!?!

Clay -- do you think it could be the picture? I agree about what the color should be, but I'm not convinced the lighting/shading isn't having an effect here.

Clay · 21 May 2014, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane0mack

Clay -- do you think it could be the picture? I agree about what the color should be, but I'm not convinced the lighting/shading isn't having an effect here.

It looks pretty Silver to me, but you may be 100% correct…
Pictures can be ridiculously deceiving…!!!

HERITAGE82 · 21 May 2014, 02:20 AM

That 16800 is stunning!!!

By far the winner in my book!!

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QCASANOVA

That 16800 is stunning!!!

By far the winner in my book!!

Thanks

That's what i was thinking when i first saw it, I am just trying to cool down and think clearly before i act

craniotes · 21 May 2014, 02:31 AM

Did someone say swimming?

A good matte-dial 16800 makes for a fantastic neo-vintage daily wear piece.

Regards,
Adam

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craniotes

Did someone say swimming?

A good matte-dial 16800 makes for a fantastic neo-vintage daily wear piece.

Regards,
Adam

Great Watch Adam

jfmiii · 21 May 2014, 03:12 AM

i have a 16800 and im going to vote for it. regarding the crown guards....the 16800 does have thinner guards than a 1680. that being said, the lugs in your watch look slightly polished but nothing egregious. go for the 16800. they were only made for a short time and many had the matte dial swapped out for a WG dial during service. the patina on yours will mean it is always in demand. here is mine:

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfmiii

i have a 16800 and im going to vote for it. regarding the crown guards....the 16800 does have thinner guards than a 1680. that being said, the lugs in your watch look slightly polished but nothing egregious. go for the 16800. they were only made for a short time and many had the matte dial swapped out for a WG dial during service. the patina on yours will mean it is always in demand. here is mine:

Thanks for the answer, really encourages me about the 16800

And yours is lovely. Almost very similiar with the one i am interested. Which year is yours? The ''0'' at the bottom of the coronet looks slightly more open in yours, or maybe its just my eyes seeing wrong. Are there different Markings in dials of 16800 such as the 1675?

jfmiii · 21 May 2014, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoderEsBueno

Thanks for the answer, really encourages me about the 16800

And yours is lovely. Almost very similiar with the one i am interested. Which year is yours? The ''0'' at the bottom of the coronet looks slightly more open in yours, or maybe its just my eyes seeing wrong. Are there different Markings in dials of 16800 such as the 1675?

mine is an '82.

these are the bargain of the century. if another comes up with amazing patina and the right price i may buy another. they werent made for that long at all, are a true transitional, and develop a really unique patina that other other Subs dont. My bezel is a deep blue and changes color in different lighting. My pearl is a burnt orange and gorgeous.

there is a beauty up for sale on VRF like mine but it is big bucks. mine has papers (but no tag) is very very slightly polished and I waid way less than he is asking. but, if i were buying one, id buy this one:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20767...TTE+%281985%29

jfmiii · 21 May 2014, 10:43 AM

here are a few more of mine that show the blue hue of the bezel...

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfmiii

mine is an '82.

these are the bargain of the century. if another comes up with amazing patina and the right price i may buy another. they werent made for that long at all, are a true transitional, and develop a really unique patina that other other Subs dont. My bezel is a deep blue and changes color in different lighting. My pearl is a burnt orange and gorgeous.

there is a beauty up for sale on VRF like mine but it is big bucks. mine has papers (but no tag) is very very slightly polished and I waid way less than he is asking. but, if i were buying one, id buy this one:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20767...TTE+%281985%29

Mine also is the same year '82.

I can't open the link because VRF/forum/market is blocked in my location, not allowed to enter some sites unfortunatelly :( But i would like to see some photos of the watch if someone else could upload here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfmiii

here are a few more of mine that show the blue hue of the bezel...

The blue hue is fantastic

I can imagine how it will play with the eyes as the sun light hits. I love it!

shane0mack · 21 May 2014, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfmiii

mine is an '82.

these are the bargain of the century. if another comes up with amazing patina and the right price i may buy another. they werent made for that long at all, are a true transitional, and develop a really unique patina that other other Subs dont. My bezel is a deep blue and changes color in different lighting. My pearl is a burnt orange and gorgeous.

there is a beauty up for sale on VRF like mine but it is big bucks. mine has papers (but no tag) is very very slightly polished and I waid way less than he is asking. but, if i were buying one, id buy this one:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20767...TTE+%281985%29

The asking price on that is insane. I might be wrong, but I think that may have last been purchased from Ben (nbTimes). Looks really familiar.

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane0mack

The asking price on that is insane. I might be wrong, but I think that may have last been purchased from Ben (nbTimes). Looks really familiar.

Do you mean this one ?

http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=6770697&rid=0

shane0mack · 21 May 2014, 03:42 AM

I feel left out now -- here's mine on a Hodinkee strap:

Clay · 21 May 2014, 03:49 AM

Gee…I wish I still had one...

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane0mack

I feel left out now -- here's mine on a Hodinkee strap:

Nice one

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

Gee…I wish I still had one...

bzabodyn · 21 May 2014, 10:01 AM

Another vote for the 16800 :

BZ

PoderEsBueno · 21 May 2014, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bzabodyn

Another vote for the 16800 :

BZ

Lovely

autofiend · 21 May 2014, 04:45 PM

The 16800 is perfection in a daily wearer. Plus, the quickset date and smoother sweep of the second hand are bonuses IMO compared to the 1680 and 5513.

I wear mine on a Gunny leather most of the time though with the coming Summer heat, it may be time for the bracelet.

You can't go wrong.

20 May 2014, 09:22 AM	#1
PoderEsBueno "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: peb Location: Istanbul Posts: 3,145	16800/1680/5513 What do you think ? Hey Everybody, This time I am in search of a submariner which will team up with my 1675 for daily wear. I have been checking out some varieties of 5513, 1680 and 16800 and i feel close to 16800 transitional so far which is between vintage and modern. I might even be able to take it for a swim after getting done the under pressure test. What do you think about this 16800 that i come across, and two others (1680), plus (5513) just alternatives to 16800. What i would like to have is a nicely faded insert and a good example of alikes. Here they are, I appreciate any comments and suggestions. Ref.16800/1982 I really like the insert on 16800 and the nice patina on the lumes. I have a doubt about the crown guards tough, do they look a little weak or it may just be the light. Ref.1680/1979 Please visit the link for further more photos.. http://www.perpetualwatch.fr/acheter...er--1680&id=19 I also liked the 1680. It has a nice almost ghost insert and bright lumes. Ref.5513/1982 Please check the link for further more photos.. http://www.perpetualwatch.fr/acheter...ner-5513&id=12

20 May 2014, 09:45 AM	#2
shane0mack "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Boston, MA Watch: 16800 (1981) Posts: 315	I'm a bit biased I guess, since I wear a 16800, but that's what I'd probably pick again. That is, unless it was a secondary watch, then I'd probably want a more rare vintage piece. I love the IDEA of an older, plexi-clad Sub, but, in practice, I really prefer the sapphire. __________________ Wound For Life Reviews and stories about built-to-last timepieces woundforlife.com

21 May 2014, 02:20 AM	#14
HERITAGE82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,435	That 16800 is stunning!!! By far the winner in my book!! __________________ - Rolex Explorer - 214270 - Tudor Black Bay - 79230B - Tudor Chronograph - 79270P - Breitling Chronomat - 10th Anniv. - Huguenin Freres Speedmaster Prototype

21 May 2014, 04:45 PM	#30
autofiend "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 276	16800/1680/5513 What do you think ? The 16800 is perfection in a daily wearer. Plus, the quickset date and smoother sweep of the second hand are bonuses IMO compared to the 1680 and 5513. I wear mine on a Gunny leather most of the time though with the coming Summer heat, it may be time for the bracelet. You can't go wrong.

20 May 2014, 10:53 AM	#3
bluemartinifan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Russ Location: Dallas Texas Watch: 5513 Posts: 2,124	16800 if you want to shower and swim with it - and youre right, the crown guards are a little thin - but the rest of the 16800 is beautiful.

20 May 2014, 03:36 PM	#6
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	I see no reason why a 16800 is better to swim with than a 1680 or other sub. Looks nice. get the one you prefer - good luck!

20 May 2014, 10:31 PM	#9
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	I think the 16800 is a fabulous watch and grossly under appreciated… After having owned both the Matte Dial 16800 and the 1680 I must admit I prefer the 16800… I have found, over the years, that a Matte Dial seems to look "Nicer" when viewed through a Sapphire crystal…I'm sure there are many who would disagree, but if you compare the two side by side, I think you'll see what I mean… This is of course only one mans opinion… The 5513 is a separate animal… And a wonderful watch… Regarding the 16800 you have there, I have never seen one with a "Silver" Date Wheel…??? These are usually, as with the 16660, an "Off White"…??? No biggie, just thought I would mention it…Great looking watch though...

21 May 2014, 02:31 AM	#16
craniotes Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Ad Rock Location: Manhattan Posts: 621	Did someone say swimming? A good matte-dial 16800 makes for a fantastic neo-vintage daily wear piece. Regards, Adam

21 May 2014, 03:49 AM	#26
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	Gee…I wish I still had one...

21 May 2014, 10:01 AM	#28
bzabodyn 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NYC Watch: Patek / AP / Rolex Posts: 794	Another vote for the 16800 : BZ

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