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BillA · 19 April 2008, 01:20 PM

If you have for example a GMT II 16710, no wiggle, what does it matter if you have the 3185 or 3186 movement?
You will have to open the case back to find out. Is it worth it? Will the watchmaker reseal like Rolex does at the factory?
If one is so excited about the 3186 then why not put a clear caseback on the back of the watch and keep looking at it? Otherwise you never know it is there. I just don't get it.

colemanitis · 19 April 2008, 01:31 PM

I think it all comes down to collectibility.

BillA · 19 April 2008, 01:33 PM

Jeff, I think us mortals will never know how many have the 3186. Rolex does not tell.
so, will it be a collectible item? Don't know.

2careless · 19 April 2008, 02:32 PM

Cool. Let's come back in 30 years' time and discuss again

SPACE-DWELLER · 19 April 2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BillA

If you have for example a GMT II 16710, no wiggle, (...)

Sorry, but I've seen this expression "no wiggle" at couple of times here lately. What does it mean?

If it's NSFW, PM me!

BiG JeEzY · 19 April 2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Sorry, but I've seen this expression "no wiggle" at couple of times here lately. What does it mean?

If it's NSFW, PM me!

Hey Bo, the wiggle test can be performed when you adjust the time on the GMT and Explorer models. When you "jump" the hour hand back and forth one hour, does the red 24 hour hand "wiggle" or slightly move as a result? An Explorer or GMT that does not have the "wiggle" might likely have the 3186 caliber beating inside. An explanation can be found here and the links on the page.

Please click...
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=3599150&rid=0

SPACE-DWELLER · 19 April 2008, 06:21 PM

Wiggling my tail for that, Jerome!

BiG JeEzY · 19 April 2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Wiggling my tail for that, Jerome!

Also Bo, watch this video if you have not yet.

It shows the Explorer II being adjusted by jumping the hour hand. Note how still the 24 hour hand is. It does not move at all. Mines does not do that but twitches a little bit and therefore indicates I have a 3185 inside mines. However, the guy in the video has one with a 3186.

Click:
http://s273.photobucket.com/albums/j...=080308028.flv

acce1999 · 19 April 2008, 06:48 PM

Just to be clear about this. It is my Explorer. I have NOT popped it open to verify if it has a 3186 or 3185. It is not that important for me. It is an example of "non wiggle behaviour" (so most certainly it has the 3186 - which one of the Rolex watch makers at the AD where I bought it is convinced it has...) Still. It is not 100% confirmed that my specific watch has the 3186...

Best,

A

BiG JeEzY · 19 April 2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acce1999

Just to be clear about this. It is my Explorer. I have NOT popped it open to verify if it has a 3186 or 3185. It is not that important for me. It is an example of "non wiggle behaviour" (so most certainly it has the 3186 - which one of the Rolex watch makers at the AD where I bought it is convinced it has...) Still. It is not 100% confirmed that my specific watch has the 3186...

Best,

A

Hi there, wow its great to see that the person on that video is in this forum as well. My apologies though, I meant to ask for your permission to borrow the video before posting it like that.

So just a quick question, how sure are you that your Explorer has the 3186? About 90% or so?

Best regards,
Jerome

Attila · 19 April 2008, 06:27 PM

After learning what the difference is between the movements I believe that it could be a possibility but I'm not expert/fortune teller.

2careless · 19 April 2008, 06:56 PM

Another wiggle test clip on my GMT2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI
Definitely going to RSC to pop it open to check. It's difficult for me as they don't open on Saturdays and my office is like 1 hour drive from the city.

BiG JeEzY · 19 April 2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

Another wiggle test clip on my GMT2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI
Definitely going to RSC to pop it open to check. It's difficult for me as they don't open on Saturdays and my office is like 1 hour drive from the city.

I'm about 90 percent sure that your new watch has the 3186 Kai. That is a beautiful Pepsi GMT by the way!

Another way to try and confirm is to try the "wiggle test" on a ceramic GMT as well which we know for certain has the 3186. If the results are the same, then I believe that is proof to say your GMT has the new movement too.

buz-lh · 19 April 2008, 07:10 PM

I like wiggle!

Just not in my watches.

walds11 · 19 April 2008, 08:19 PM

Bill, no big deal in my opinion. I can't believe how some people totally obsess over this. I am hearing that people asking others to crack open their 16710s to see of they have the 3186 movement. It boggles my mind.

Trurolexer · 21 April 2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by walds11

Bill, no big deal in my opinion. I can't believe how some people totally obsess over this. I am hearing that people asking others to crack open their 16710s to see of they have the 3186 movement. It boggles my mind.

Ditto.

padi56 · 14 December 2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walds11

Bill, no big deal in my opinion. I can't believe how some people totally obsess over this. I am hearing that people asking others to crack open their 16710s to see of they have the 3186 movement. It boggles my mind.

Have to agree with you 100% but there is a well known saying that bullsh#t often baffles brains.Remember it takes 12 full months to make a Rolex another pure marketing genius Jem by Rolex.

BillA · 19 April 2008, 11:00 PM

Well, I just did the "wiggle test" on my 1670 Pepsi, Z7xxxxx serial number, and no wiggle. I think I am definitely going to take it down to the AD, have them crack open the back, if there is a 3186 in there I am going to order a clear caseback, and wear the watch upside down so I can see the 3186 movement all the time. Hey, when you have the 3186 movement, who needs to look at the time and date anyway?

sherwin · 19 April 2008, 11:34 PM

interesting... another thing to look out for.

Beef · 20 April 2008, 01:39 AM

Thank all of you for this info. I have been trying to figure out what the wiggle test was. Not wanting to appear any stupider than usual, I decided to wait and let someone else ask. Fortunately, "Big Brother" Bo stepped up to plate. Thanks for sharing your video and research, ACCE 1999. Yours, also, 2Careless.

Scarface · 20 April 2008, 01:49 AM

Ok, guys ... I 'll do the wiggle test on Monday when I get in my hands my new M-series GMT (Pepsi).
I am curious myself - being an M-Series there is a chance that it has the 3186

sheldonsmith · 20 April 2008, 04:55 AM

Be sure to post picts.... I have more info on this Rolex anomaly at http://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.htm

f16570 · 20 April 2008, 05:34 AM

Is the Parachrom spring not supposed to make the watch far more accurate?
Is this not the big issue?

SPACE-DWELLER · 20 April 2008, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by f16570

Is the Parachrom spring not supposed to make the watch far more accurate?
Is this not the big issue?

Yes, that plus an alleged tenfold resistance to shocks compared to the Breguet overcoil hairspring plus virtually anti-magnetic.

Incurable · 20 April 2008, 05:50 AM

I just did the test on my GMT and the 24hr hand WIGGLED!!! Darned, now I have to go out and sell my GMT II at a loss and replace it w/an M version... NOT!

Felly Jr. · 20 April 2008, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incurable

I just did the test on my GMT and the 24hr hand WIGGLED!!! Darned, now I have to go out and sell my GMT II at a loss and replace it w/an M version... NOT!

Mine wiggles too!

kenlperry · 22 April 2008, 05:01 AM

Ok, good answer. The photoshopping would explain a few things.. I haven't been into an AD lately, but plan on visiting soon. I hope to see the newer Explorer II in person. I actually like it..

adr · 29 October 2008, 11:39 PM

any new info about the hype ?

RossInIllinois · 30 October 2008, 01:29 AM

I got the twitch here must have a 3185!

Juggernaut · 13 December 2009, 04:33 AM

is there a video showing the "wiggle" of the 3185?

19 April 2008, 01:20 PM	#1
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,879	3185 vs. 3186 movement, whats the big deal? If you have for example a GMT II 16710, no wiggle, what does it matter if you have the 3185 or 3186 movement? You will have to open the case back to find out. Is it worth it? Will the watchmaker reseal like Rolex does at the factory? If one is so excited about the 3186 then why not put a clear caseback on the back of the watch and keep looking at it? Otherwise you never know it is there. I just don't get it.

19 April 2008, 01:31 PM	#2
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	I think it all comes down to collectibility. __________________ Member #471

19 April 2008, 06:21 PM	#7
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Wiggling my tail for that, Jerome! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

19 April 2008, 07:10 PM	#14
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	I like wiggle! Just not in my watches. __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

19 April 2008, 08:19 PM	#15
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,660	Bill, no big deal in my opinion. I can't believe how some people totally obsess over this. I am hearing that people asking others to crack open their 16710s to see of they have the 3186 movement. It boggles my mind. __________________ Adam

19 April 2008, 01:33 PM	#3
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,879	Jeff, I think us mortals will never know how many have the 3186. Rolex does not tell. so, will it be a collectible item? Don't know.

19 April 2008, 02:32 PM	#4
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Cool. Let's come back in 30 years' time and discuss again

19 April 2008, 06:48 PM	#9
acce1999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 2,711	Just to be clear about this. It is my Explorer. I have NOT popped it open to verify if it has a 3186 or 3185. It is not that important for me. It is an example of "non wiggle behaviour" (so most certainly it has the 3186 - which one of the Rolex watch makers at the AD where I bought it is convinced it has...) Still. It is not 100% confirmed that my specific watch has the 3186... Best, A

19 April 2008, 06:27 PM	#11
Attila Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Attila Location: VIC AUS Watch: GMT/Explorer/Sptfr Posts: 320	After learning what the difference is between the movements I believe that it could be a possibility but I'm not expert/fortune teller.

19 April 2008, 06:56 PM	#12
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Another wiggle test clip on my GMT2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx7bPguZgI Definitely going to RSC to pop it open to check. It's difficult for me as they don't open on Saturdays and my office is like 1 hour drive from the city.

19 April 2008, 11:00 PM	#18
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,879	Well, I just did the "wiggle test" on my 1670 Pepsi, Z7xxxxx serial number, and no wiggle. I think I am definitely going to take it down to the AD, have them crack open the back, if there is a 3186 in there I am going to order a clear caseback, and wear the watch upside down so I can see the 3186 movement all the time. Hey, when you have the 3186 movement, who needs to look at the time and date anyway?

19 April 2008, 11:34 PM	#19
sherwin "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth/Singapore Posts: 1,764	interesting... another thing to look out for.

20 April 2008, 01:39 AM	#20
Beef "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 1,824	Thank all of you for this info. I have been trying to figure out what the wiggle test was. Not wanting to appear any stupider than usual, I decided to wait and let someone else ask. Fortunately, "Big Brother" Bo stepped up to plate. Thanks for sharing your video and research, ACCE 1999. Yours, also, 2Careless. __________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." "So you have enemies. Good. You must have stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill

20 April 2008, 01:49 AM	#21
Scarface "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Minas Location: London UK Watch: Rolex , Omega Posts: 1,370	Ok, guys ... I 'll do the wiggle test on Monday when I get in my hands my new M-series GMT (Pepsi). I am curious myself - being an M-Series there is a chance that it has the 3186 __________________ *Rolex* Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master ll *Rolex* Oyster Perpetual Datejust *Omega* Seamaster Professional Chronograph

20 April 2008, 04:55 AM	#22
sheldonsmith 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Member 202♛ Posts: 1,815	Be sure to post picts.... I have more info on this Rolex anomaly at http://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.htm __________________

20 April 2008, 05:34 AM	#23
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Is the Parachrom spring not supposed to make the watch far more accurate? Is this not the big issue? __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

20 April 2008, 05:50 AM	#25
Incurable "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Pat Location: PNW Watch: your P's and Q's Posts: 2,549	I just did the test on my GMT and the 24hr hand WIGGLED!!! Darned, now I have to go out and sell my GMT II at a loss and replace it w/an M version... NOT! __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 16710 (Blk/Blk) Rolex Explorer 114270 Sinn 356 Sa Flieger Limes Endurance 1Tausend Too many others... #2592 It may seem like I'm doing nothing but, at a cellular level, I'm actually quite busy...

22 April 2008, 05:01 AM	#27
kenlperry "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: KP Location: Washington D.C. Watch: Rolex 19018 Posts: 232	Ok, good answer. The photoshopping would explain a few things.. I haven't been into an AD lately, but plan on visiting soon. I hope to see the newer Explorer II in person. I actually like it.. __________________ "Promise Less and Do more"

29 October 2008, 11:39 PM	#28
adr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Malaysia Posts: 185	any new info about the hype ?

30 October 2008, 01:29 AM	#29
RossInIllinois Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Ross Location: Chicago Area Watch: GMT 2 Posts: 324	I got the twitch here must have a 3185!

13 December 2009, 04:33 AM	#30
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	is there a video showing the "wiggle" of the 3185?

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