Red Submariner or White for 2009 Update ???

[jake]

Rolex is due for updating the Submariner in 2009.

Which watch would you prefer to purchase? Would you prefer for Rolex to produce the White Submariner pictured on the left, or the Red Submariner seen on the right?

My personal preference is the Red Submariner because I think it looks a million times better. To me it looks more sporty, classic in a cool retro kind of way and novel.

Please vote and let's let Rolex know exactly what we want.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

I'd definately prefer the RED Submariner, but I doubt Rolex will ever make it again. We've had the 1680 Red.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

I'd definately prefer the RED Submariner, but I doubt Rolex will ever make it again. We've had the 1680 Red.

I'm with Bo. I think the new Sub Ceramic dial look like the WG Blue Sub, the different only in the bezel and dial colour black.

[OYSTERMANN]

I voted for the Red, Jake - I'm with you on that.

It makes a nice contrast with the rest of the White lettering on the dial and, as has been said, gives it a satisfying retro-feel, too.

[BiG JeEzY]

Maybe they'll surprise us all with a Submariner in a green font!

I'd love to see the red Sub again, that model is forever a classic. Though I am with Bo, the chances of seeing it again are probably slim. I'm not saying that we will never see it, because there's always that possibility.

[BiG JeEzY]

The bottom line, I would love to see a new Sub designed exactly like that! Whether it has the red or white font, that is exactly how I want an updated version to look.

Thanks for the pictures Jake!

[jake]

My pleasure Jerome.

I think I would prefer the standard satin brushing on the center links as well.

The only thing I would want changed from the images above is that I would like the fatter hands from the new GMTII-c. I have no ideas why Rolex put the LV handset on the watch in this picture, but I think it would look way better and more balanced with fatter hands.

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

The bottom line, I would love to see a new Sub designed exactly like that! Whether it has the red or white font, that is exactly how I want an updated version to look.

Thanks for the pictures Jake!

[jake]

Hi Jerome!

Steve seems to believe that Rolex does listen. The results of this poll will be fascinating if the vast majority of members chose red, and even more fascinating will be to see if Rolex actually listens and takes action.

It would be nice to think they really do listen and care.

I agree that the Red Sub is Evergreen. (Pun not intended.)

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

Maybe they'll surprise us all with a Submariner in a green font!

I'd love to see the red Sub again, that model is forever a classic. Though I am with Bo, the chances of seeing it again are probably slim. I'm not saying that we will never see it, because there's always that possibility.

[BiG JeEzY]

Originally Posted by jake

Hi Jerome!

Steve seems to believe that Rolex does listen. The results of this poll will be fascinating if the vast majority of members chose red, and even more fascinating will be to see if Rolex actually listens and takes action.

It would be nice to think they really do listen and care.

I agree that the Red Sub is Evergreen. (Pun not intended.)

Oh yeah I sure believe that they do read these forums and observe our feedback and I think its a really great of them they do that.

We all know that it is very difficult to design a watch that satisfies everyone's tastes and expectations there's no doubt about that. But when they observe our feedback they can develop a model that I believe eventually more people will love. Especially if it was designed based on our feedback.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

Maybe they'll surprise us all with a Submariner in a green font!

I'd love to see the red Sub again, that model is forever a classic. Though I am with Bo, the chances of seeing it again are probably slim. I'm not saying that we will never see it, because there's always that possibility.

Nice idea, Jerome!!! If they do with GMT II-C, why not if they do too with Sub-C? I like the idea...

[OYSTERMANN]

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

Maybe they'll surprise us all with a Submariner in a green font!

I'd love to see the red Sub again, that model is forever a classic. Though I am with Bo, the chances of seeing it again are probably slim. I'm not saying that we will never see it, because there's always that possibility.

Jerome, you might have something there - Rolex certainly do like their green, don't they. Look at the LV and the 24 hour hand and lettering on the GMT IIc. Who knows, though . . . .

[jake]

Hi Neil,

I tried it with a Green Submariner thinking it would look great and much to my surprise it looked terrible. I don't know why, but it just did not seem to work.

Originally Posted by OYSTERMANN

Jerome, you might have something there - Rolex certainly do like their green, don't they. Look at the LV and the 24 hour hand and lettering on the GMT IIc. Who knows, though . . . .

[SPORTSFAN]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

I'd definately prefer the RED Submariner, but I doubt Rolex will ever make it again. We've had the 1680 Red.

Hi
I agree.
Ceramic and NO polished center link would be good for me.
Regards Mike.

[Attila]

The Red Submariner has been done, and I wouldn't like to see it repeated.

I vote for White.

[jake]

Hi Attlia,

The White Submariner has been done, and I wouldn't like to see it repeated.

I voted for Red.

Originally Posted by Attila

The Red Submariner has been done, and I wouldn't like to see it repeated.

I vote for White.

[BiG JeEzY]

Originally Posted by Attila

The Red Submariner has been done, and I wouldn't like to see it repeated.

I vote for White.

Attila, you do have a good point. Keeping the red lettering retired would be the best way to really preserve the legacy of that 1680 Red Sub. Bringing it back might just make the 1680 "a little less" of a classic. I think many of the vintage aficionados here might just vote to keep producing the white version instead. There's one perspective of seeing it I believe.

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by Attila

The Red Submariner has been done, and I wouldn't like to see it repeated.

I vote for White.

Yup, let it retired. Like let the Pepsi bezel retired from GMT. Don't make the ceramic bezel. I think that's a bad idea...

[daveathall]

Red for me.

[vukotab]

I voted for white one!Because there`s ONLY one real red Sub,and it`s vintage model!
Even if Rolex produce it again,it wouldn`t be the same.Re-interpretations or re-makes are NEVER as good as originals,they just don`t have the same aura.
BTW,I don`t give too much attention to the colour of damn INSCRIPTION(of one single word!!!)anyway...

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by vukotab

(...)BTW,I don`t give too much attention to the colour of damn INSCRIPTION(of one single word!!!)anyway...

Could not agree more with you, Vukota. Paying huge premiums for that little dash of red paint is just too darned silly.

[kyozcx]

Originally Posted by jake

Rolex is due for updating the Submariner in 2009.

Which watch would you prefer to purchase? Would you prefer for Rolex to produce the White Submariner pictured on the left, or the Red Submariner seen on the right?

My personal preference is the Red Submariner because I think it looks a million times better. To me it looks more sporty, classic in a cool retro kind of way and novel.

Please vote and let's let Rolex know exactly what we want.

Hi, I just like to know that these two subs are actually photoed my someone in real or it is photoshoped?
Caz I didnt see a pic of new SS sub from this year's Basel

[jake]

Hi and Welcome to the forum!!!

The photo I used is a very rare actual photo of the Basel 2008 Yellow Gold Submariner with a black bezel and black dial. I knocked out the gold color and added the red color.

I attached the original image so you can see it. I also attached another image of the blue bezel with the gold color knocked out which is not perfect but also probably looks close.

Obviously Rolex could create some completely new design language for the Submariner, but my best guess is that this is pretty accurate.

Jake

Originally Posted by kyozcx

Hi, I just like to know that these two subs are actually photoed my someone in real or it is photoshoped?
Caz I didnt see a pic of new SS sub from this year's Basel

[Jimbits76]

I think the dreams of a new red sub are getting a little tired and monotonous.

Like Bo, I'd love to see it but doubt that it will ever happen again...like the Newman Cos dial.

Rolex have shown time and time again that they only move forwards, never look back...therefore the 1680 will probably always remain the Red Sub.

IMHO I'd like to see a sub with only the crown and word Rolex on it...be interesting!

J

[jake]

Hi Jim,

I understand your perspective, but understand this: Those who abandon their dreams will discourage yours.

No matter what, at the minimum, I am going to have a New Red SUBMARINER and a New Paul Newman Daytona customized just like the ones below. I am pretty into my Green Dream Daytona as seen in my avatar, so I might have to make that as well.

As I mentioned before, I might make a side business out of custom painting Rolex dials and creating really fat new hands to make dream watches. If you have not seen my Daytona Dream Dials click this link:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...d=1#post548334

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

I think the dreams of a new red sub are getting a little tired and monotonous.

Like Bo, I'd love to see it but doubt that it will ever happen again...like the Newman Cos dial.

Rolex have shown time and time again that they only move forwards, never look back...therefore the 1680 will probably always remain the Red Sub.

IMHO I'd like to see a sub with only the crown and word Rolex on it...be interesting!

J

[Jimbits76]

Hi Jim,

I understand your perspective, but understand this: Those who abandon their dreams will discourage yours.

No matter what, at the minimum, I am going to have a New Red SUBMARINER and a New Paul Newman Daytona customized just like the ones below.

As I mentioned before, I might make a side business out of custom painting Rolex dials and creating really fat new hands to make dream watches. If you have not seen my Daytona Dream Dials click this link:

Jake I didn't mean to offend. Just saying that day in, day out we hear all about "how this would look great with red on it" etc.

Rolex may listen to us a little as per Steve's recent thread but they really don't care what a few guys on some forum think. Basel has shown that they are solely looking to the future not their past (like JlC have recently done to acclaim).

You can customize all you like buddy but it aint then gonna be a Rolex, no different to those awful Pro Hunter jobs we see here again and again. If you want to do it for yourself then that is fine but it ain't a Rolex...same as a Mercedes 5.5 V8 engine in a Ford ain't a Mercedes!

My views may seem a little jaded and I may sound like I discourage dreams etc but Rolex run a multi billion dollar industry...all they want from me is my cash, not my opinions. The red sub is dead and forgotten about to Rolex Geneva....let's try and look forward to something new, original and hopefully tasteful from Rolex in the next few years!

J

[jake]

Hello James,

I don't mean to offend, but you do sound jaded. No big deal. Most people are. Just like Picasso ironically asked, "Did you ever notice that almost all children draw and color, but almost all adults don't."

As far as my watch not being a "real" Rolex per-se, you are correct–It will be much better. In case you did not notice from this thread, I as an adult have not forgotten how to draw and color.

Rolex in my mind has a tremendous amount of room for improvement...

The dials on the stainless Daytonas are boring...give me a break. You can have black or white??? In case you did not notice we live in a world full of color. This is kind of funny because when I look at your avatar, I think I must be preaching to the choir–as far as color is concerned.

In my mind Rolex should go back to the archives. There is a reason why the single most sought after, rare, expensive Rolex on earth has a Red dial.

You can look forward to whatever you wish as can I.

Warmest regards,
Jake

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Jake I didn't mean to offend. Just saying that day in, day out we hear all about "how this would look great with red on it" etc.

Rolex may listen to us a little as per Steve's recent thread but they really don't care what a few guys on some forum think. Basel has shown that they are solely looking to the future not their past (like JlC have recently done to acclaim).

You can customize all you like buddy but it aint then gonna be a Rolex, no different to those awful Pro Hunter jobs we see here again and again. If you want to do it for yourself then that is fine but it ain't a Rolex...same as a Mercedes 5.5 V8 engine in a Ford ain't a Mercedes!

My views may seem a little jaded and I may sound like I discourage dreams etc but Rolex run a multi billion dollar industry...all they want from me is my cash, not my opinions. The red sub is dead and forgotten about to Rolex Geneva....let's try and look forward to something new, original and hopefully tasteful from Rolex in the next few years!

J

[SUPERDOC]

this is so cool...
just please avoid temptation to do a giraffe or zebra-mariner...

I have to say.. that green actually doesn't look bad at all...and it would fit in nicely with the GMT as they are all displayed together at the dealers store.

But for my money... it's gotta be the red...
it's just that ..black suit/red power-tie effect. a splash of color that brings it to life

[SSD]

Well, I have always liked the Red Submariner's looks, with its lusterous vintage crystals. I am not thrilled with the "improved" Sub because I have always been in love with the classic, rugged appearance of what became the 16610. In fact, whilst I like the new bracelet, I see the it as "nice to have", not "need to have". The Oyster is a wel tested, proven design. I will eventually aquire one of the new Subs because this is the accepted natural evolution of my favorite watch design of all time. I simply don't see why the bulletproof watch should be made "more" bulletproof, so to speak.

That being said, I must confess the art in this thread has really been an impressive, enjoyable read for me. In fact, Jake, would you mind terribly if I saved a couple of those shots? If I ever post them, I promise to give proper credit! These photos have lent me a bit of familiarity for the new Sub, and I voted for Red.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with Bo and the others that Rolex may listen, and do what they wish for their own reasons. I do not believe the Red Sub will return to production because of the lore of the origional one. I wish it would, but cannot find confidence it shall. I voted for Red because it stirrs my desire most. As for green, it wouldn't shock me too badly because it is the company color, after all.

One last parting thought: I do NOT think the Red Sub is dead to Rolex! There were Red Sub dials made with luminova for those who wanted an undated dial but did wish to keep their Red Sub's general apearance. I don't know if those are still in production or even stock, but I found it an interesting gesture. Truthfully, if I ever was able to get my hands on one of those dials, I might have to locate a watchmaker... Anybody in Europe up for a little subterfuge?

[JJ Irani]

Well said, Jamie.

Personally, I quite liked the RED Sub bit. The rest can be abolished!!

[unclesallie]

but, i would take an original 1680 over a new 'red' in a heartbeat.
(not that we have to worry anyway)...great designs and pics as usual, Jake!
best, dan