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BA1980 · 8 January 2015, 03:15 AM

Hi,

I have seen a Rolex Sub no date (14060) for sale, I believe the watch is genuine but the owner said the serial number is 16103XX (blanked the last two numbers). Has anyone seen this before, I presumed they all started with a letter unless vintage?

He has the receipt from when purchased from a jeweler (second hand) and this also shows the same serial number.

All advice appreciated

Thanks

Tools · 8 January 2015, 03:29 AM

Like most things in life, verify to be sure.

The number should be on the side of the case that you are interested in, not any receipt or other documents that they pull out of the hat.

BA1980 · 8 January 2015, 03:34 AM

The watch is about 2 hours from me, long drive to find the numbers out. I will see if he can remove the bracelet to compare. Heres some photo's;

rmfnla · 8 January 2015, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BA1980

The watch is about 2 hours from me, long drive to find the numbers out. I will see if he can remove the bracelet to compare.

If he won't do that it's time to go somewhere else...

Loevhagen · 8 January 2015, 03:54 AM

Looking at this dial, I would anticipate a Uxxx or Axxx serial (i.e. the dial "SWISS" is Luminova) approx. 1998.

kilyung · 8 January 2015, 03:57 AM

Replacement case?

Loevhagen · 8 January 2015, 03:59 AM

Replacement case serial normally starts with "4".

rmfnla · 8 January 2015, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loevhagen

Replacement case serial normally starts with "4".

If it was replaced by RSC or an AD.

A jeweler could have used anything that fits...

BA1980 · 8 January 2015, 04:09 AM

Hmm very strange, thanks guys. Never would have guessed that.
So when a case has been replaced is there any way of finding out the correct year?

Also is there any reason you would fit a new case except for the obvious, damage?

Sorry for all the questions, just trying to further my knowledge..

Loevhagen · 8 January 2015, 04:12 AM

Remember to also ask the seller these question. If (s)he can't answer them - don't buy the watch.

phils · 8 January 2015, 06:13 AM

From the photo, at the oldest it's an A series as it does not have a tritium dial.
That serial number does not make sense.
It should start with an A or P or D etc.

Old Expat Beast · 8 January 2015, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phils

From the photo, at the oldest it's an A series as it does not have a tritium dial.
That serial number does not make sense.
It should start with an A or P or D etc.

Oldest for a Swiss only dial would be a U serial, unless it is a service dial.

Brushpup · 8 January 2015, 06:25 AM

I'll be interested in the outcome of this one.

enginerd · 8 January 2015, 09:02 AM

At first I thought it may be a T serial and someone transcribed the T as a 1.

But then I noticed the "Swiss" only dial. Shouldn't that be an Axxxxxx serial (1999)? Hard to read an A from the case and mistake that for a 1.

A simple photo from between the 6'oclock lugs will clear everything up. That "certificate guarantee" is worth as much as the paper it's printed on.

subtona · 8 January 2015, 09:18 AM

No is my initial reaction

swish77 · 8 January 2015, 11:09 AM

Perhaps it's an "L" serial number (1989-90) that was hand-written as a lower-case "l" on that document. The watch could have been serviced at an RSC about 10 years later and gotten a "Swiss-only" replacement dial because the tritium had aged. Just a theory. I believe the first 14060 Subs were "L" serial numbers.

Ken B · 8 January 2015, 11:11 AM

not worth taking a chance with. Move on.

997.2 · 8 January 2015, 12:20 PM

It should have one letter and six numbers. Ask to see under the six o'clock side of the case - here is part of my serial so you can compare- Name: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1420683609.986423.jpg
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BA1980 · 8 January 2015, 10:04 PM

Hello guys,

I will put you all out your misery.
I spoke with the seller last night and he removed the bracelet, as I expected and many of you also did the 'number' was wrong. It is actually an A serial number, not sure why the cert has a 1?

Rest of the numbers match the certificate.

padi56 · 8 January 2015, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BA1980

Hello guys,

I will put you all out your misery.
I spoke with the seller last night and he removed the bracelet, as I expected and many of you also did the 'number' was wrong. It is actually an A serial number, not sure why the cert has a 1?

Rest of the numbers match the certificate.

Just as I suspected.

enginerd · 9 January 2015, 12:26 AM

The serial looks right to me now.

rmfnla · 9 January 2015, 03:46 AM

Thanks for the closure!

subtona · 10 January 2015, 02:36 AM

That is good news
As far as that certificate is concerned, it is a piece of paper and has zero link to rolex service.

Who will do the warranty service if needed?

8 January 2015, 03:15 AM	#1
BA1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: UK Posts: 153	Rolex 14060 for sale with strange serial Hi, I have seen a Rolex Sub no date (14060) for sale, I believe the watch is genuine but the owner said the serial number is 16103XX (blanked the last two numbers). Has anyone seen this before, I presumed they all started with a letter unless vintage? He has the receipt from when purchased from a jeweler (second hand) and this also shows the same serial number. All advice appreciated Thanks

8 January 2015, 03:29 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Like most things in life, verify to be sure. The number should be on the side of the case that you are interested in, not any receipt or other documents that they pull out of the hat. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

8 January 2015, 06:25 AM	#13
Brushpup "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Patrick Location: Texas Watch: what I'm wearing Posts: 5,943	I'll be interested in the outcome of this one. __________________ *TRFs "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Patron-Founding Member* PClub # 10 74,592 The safest place for your watch is on your wrist.

8 January 2015, 11:11 AM	#17
Ken B "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Phoenix, AZ USA Watch: To many to count Posts: 766	not worth taking a chance with. Move on. __________________ Omega Planet Ocean 600m Chrono 45.5mm Tudor Heritage Chrono (blue) 42mm Breitling Chronomat GMT 44mm Tudor Black Bay Bronze 43mm KRB Imaging and Photography

9 January 2015, 12:26 AM	#21
enginerd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Nathan Location: Denver, CO Watch: Too many Posts: 1,008	The serial looks right to me now. Attached Images

8 January 2015, 03:34 AM	#3
BA1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: UK Posts: 153	The watch is about 2 hours from me, long drive to find the numbers out. I will see if he can remove the bracelet to compare. Heres some photo's;

8 January 2015, 03:54 AM	#5
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	Looking at this dial, I would anticipate a Uxxx or Axxx serial (i.e. the dial "SWISS" is Luminova) approx. 1998.

8 January 2015, 03:57 AM	#6
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Replacement case?

8 January 2015, 03:59 AM	#7
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	Replacement case serial normally starts with "4".

8 January 2015, 04:09 AM	#9
BA1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: UK Posts: 153	Hmm very strange, thanks guys. Never would have guessed that. So when a case has been replaced is there any way of finding out the correct year? Also is there any reason you would fit a new case except for the obvious, damage? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to further my knowledge..

8 January 2015, 04:12 AM	#10
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	Remember to also ask the seller these question. If (s)he can't answer them - don't buy the watch.

8 January 2015, 06:13 AM	#11
phils "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: philip Location: missouri Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 1,094	From the photo, at the oldest it's an A series as it does not have a tritium dial. That serial number does not make sense. It should start with an A or P or D etc.

8 January 2015, 09:02 AM	#14
enginerd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Nathan Location: Denver, CO Watch: Too many Posts: 1,008	At first I thought it may be a T serial and someone transcribed the T as a 1. But then I noticed the "Swiss" only dial. Shouldn't that be an Axxxxxx serial (1999)? Hard to read an A from the case and mistake that for a 1. A simple photo from between the 6'oclock lugs will clear everything up. That "certificate guarantee" is worth as much as the paper it's printed on.

8 January 2015, 09:18 AM	#15
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	No is my initial reaction

8 January 2015, 11:09 AM	#16
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 7,001	Perhaps it's an "L" serial number (1989-90) that was hand-written as a lower-case "l" on that document. The watch could have been serviced at an RSC about 10 years later and gotten a "Swiss-only" replacement dial because the tritium had aged. Just a theory. I believe the first 14060 Subs were "L" serial numbers.

8 January 2015, 12:20 PM	#18
997.2 Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Chaz Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 2,721	It should have one letter and six numbers. Ask to see under the six o'clock side of the case - here is part of my serial so you can compare-

8 January 2015, 10:04 PM	#19
BA1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: UK Posts: 153	Hello guys, I will put you all out your misery. I spoke with the seller last night and he removed the bracelet, as I expected and many of you also did the 'number' was wrong. It is actually an A serial number, not sure why the cert has a 1? Rest of the numbers match the certificate.

9 January 2015, 03:46 AM	#22
rmfnla "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Richard Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: TT DJ Posts: 4,456	Thanks for the closure! __________________ Today, I believe my jurisdiction ends here... Lug Hole Lover®

10 January 2015, 02:36 AM	#23
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	That is good news As far as that certificate is concerned, it is a piece of paper and has zero link to rolex service. Who will do the warranty service if needed?

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