Anyone having Tudor ETA problems? ....

[phils]

My Pelagos is on its way back for the third time since Aug. for keeping erratic time.
I've been reading about other Tudor models with the same works having major problems.
I think the works are bad and either the watch or works should be replaced.
My AD says that Rolex repairs and does not replace. I know that's bs.

[Old Expat Beast]

No problems at all with my THC, as I just posted here a couple of hours ago: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=398704

However, my TH Ranger is currently with the RSC for a second time to try and get the accuracy right (it was ten secs a day fast, then five slow after they regulated it the first time). This is easy for me as I live near the RSC (or TSC). To sum up, the ETA 2892 in the THC has been awesome, while the jury is still out on the THR's 2824.

[Rogdogg]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

No problems at all with my THC, as I just posted here a couple of hours ago: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=398704

However, my TH Ranger is currently with the RSC for a second time to try and get the accuracy right (it was ten secs a day fast, then five slow after they regulated it the first time). This is easy for me as I live near the RSC (or TSC). To sum up, the ETA 2892 in the THC has been awesome, while the jury is still out on the THR's 2824.

The 2824 is the same movement as in the Black Bay, isn't it?
I wonder if many other people are having issues with their black bays. It might give us a better idea as so many more people would have one of these.
It's very interesting to hear about this and very glad you're so happy with your THC That's great

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Rogdogg

The 2824 is the same movement as in the Black Bay, isn't it?
I wonder if many other people are having issues with their black bays. It might give us a better idea as so many more people would have one of these.
It's very interesting to hear about this and very glad you're so happy with your THC That's great

Thanks. Yes, same as the BB.

[Wolfgang427]

No issues with any of my Tudor's and two of them are more accurate then my Rolex watches......

[Marvoon]

Originally Posted by Wolfgang427

No issues with any of my Tudor's and two of them are more accurate then my Rolex watches......

me too,my pelagos more accurate than my rolie

[Blackdog]

Originally Posted by Rogdogg

The 2824 is the same movement as in the Black Bay, isn't it?
I wonder if many other people are having issues with their black bays. It might give us a better idea as so many more people would have one of these.
It's very interesting to hear about this and very glad you're so happy with your THC That's great

I've had my BlackBay since Dec. '12. No problems whatsoever with the movement. It was running a bit fast from the factory, got it adjusted around the year of ownership and that was it. I had some problems with corrosion of the cosmetic tube ring, but that's a completely different story.

No problems either in 13 years of ownership of a 79090 Sub (same movement as the BB/Pelagos/Ranger for all intents and purposes).

The ETA 2824 is a very dependable movement. But like anything, every now and then a problematic one may pop up.

[Runnin' Rebel]

Mines fast. Everyone told me not to sweat it. 11 seconds a day. lol

I'm timing it now, I'll report back tomorrow night to see how fast it is after 24 hrs. Should be fairly broken in by now as it was new when I complained

[milgauss2232]

My black bay is 9 seconds fast, in every position. Not sure if this is a "problem" since it is consistent, but it doesnt really bother me.

[Matt748]

hmmm, i love the Tudor brand, particularly since the new models have been released.
Not good to hear. Although i have read some stories of Tudor being fantastic and others with timing issues.
I'm looking at buying a Pelagos very soon. Should this make me think twice or do we think these are isolated incidents?

[JDR888]

No issues with my Pelagos - more accurate than my 16600 & 116710.

I don't sweat on accuracy issues to be honest but then I've never experienced a big timing variance with any of my watches.

[Minimalist]

Originally Posted by Matt748

hmmm, i love the Tudor brand, particularly since the new models have been released.
Not good to hear. Although i have read some stories of Tudor being fantastic and others with timing issues.
I'm looking at buying a Pelagos very soon. Should this make me think twice or do we think these are isolated incidents?

You should definitely not let this put you off. The Pelagos is an amazing watch. My accuracy is pretty good. On average it has gained 2 sec a day over the last week. I think it would have been less if I continued to wear, when it's worn and not sat around it stays constant...thats what I've seen with mine.

[The Joker]

My Pelagos has been about 1 sec a day for the last couple years.

[Guitarfan]

My Pelagos started off quite fast around +7, then it went to RSC to remove dust from under the crystal. I asked them to look at the timekeeping while it was there but was told it was within tolerance - I think +0 to +10 is acceptable.

It's currently running at +3 (four months later) so either it setted down a bit or RSC did in fact tweak it while they had it...

[kilyung]

Mine have been perfectly fine as have been all my ETA based watches. As with any movement, you can get a lemon.

[Dan Pierce]

No, never any issues.
dP

[Jazz ham]

my new date day has been + 2 day since purchase in Nov.

[watchwatcher]

Couple of points here. It seems as if the accuracy issue does pop up from time to time, but then again, it does for Rolexes as well, so I don't think we can draw any widespread conclusions about the ETA movement.

More importantly, I think the OP deserves better than what he's getting. Three times to get a watch regulated? Ridiculous. As Mike said, a lemon can happen with any movement and if that's the case here, he is entitled to some relief. My two cents.

[nintendo]

No issue with my both blackbay blue and red. Red was running fast but regulated to +1. Blue currently running +5 out of the box.

[RollieVerde]

I've only had my Pelagos for about six weeks, but it's been scary accurate. Less than a second a day overall. I don't think I've ever had a watch that is this well-adjusted. Good luck getting yours sorted.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by phils

My Pelagos is on its way back for the third time since Aug. for keeping erratic time.
I've been reading about other Tudor models with the same works having major problems.
I think the works are bad and either the watch or works should be replaced.
My AD says that Rolex repairs and does not replace. I know that's bs.

What, exactly, is "erratic time" ?

Also, where are you reading about "major problems" since that ETA movement is used in many high end watches, not just Tudor Pelagos.

Certainly, if you have a lemon, it should be replaced. However, almost any watch movement can be repaired and most parts replaced with little difficulty. It would be interesting to know what your problems are and how it was tested or repaired.

[phils]

Originally Posted by Tools

What, exactly, is "erratic time" ?

Also, where are you reading about "major problems" since that ETA movement is used in many high end watches, not just Tudor Pelagos.

Certainly, if you have a lemon, it should be replaced. However, almost any watch movement can be repaired and most parts replaced with little difficulty. It would be interesting to know what your problems are and how it was tested or repaired.

1. Daily from -3, -6,-3, -8-,-11,-15,-8,-7,-11,-9,-11.
2. From two other Rolex forums.
3. Tested against atomic clock at the same time of day.

And that was AFTER it was returned by RSC after it was sent back the first time for +12 seconds/day.

[breitlings]

it doesn't cost a lot for Rolex to swap the whole movement. 2 keeping an erratic rate indicates to me its more than a regulator issue unless its just not really holding fast which I have seen on a 7750 once.

as an aside. I know I have said it before but 2892 is imo the best eta currently offered in a Tudor, maybe period. everyone gets upset that it isn't an integrated chrono but its a really smooth accurate movement. its a bit more accurate than 2824 has better amplitude and is only availble in high and chronometer grade which always indicated to me it was a strong performer.

[mannyv11]

I had a THC for a few months and the timing was very off. One day I was plus a few minutes, next day I was short a few minutes. Needless to say the watch didn't last very long for me.

[Tempusfugitus]

I think ETA 2824s can be incredibly accurate, and I have one in a Steinhart (just Elabore, not Top like Tudor) which runs +/-0 secs/day. My Black Bay runs +5 secs/day. However I do think you get more variability from watch to watch than with more expensive movements, i.e. you can get a bad 'un. I have also heard (but not experienced) that the accuracy of a 2824 can go off over time.

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by Tempusfugitus

I think ETA 2824s can be incredibly accurate, and I have one in a Steinhart (just Elabore, not Top like Tudor) which runs +/-0 secs/day. My Black Bay runs +5 secs/day. However I do think you get more variability from watch to watch than with more expensive movements, i.e. you can get a bad 'un. I have also heard (but not experienced) that the accuracy of a 2824 can go off over time.

They don't make the 2892 in standard and in elabore the 2892 is regulated tighter and has some upgraded materials only found on the TOP and Chronmeter grade of 2824. 2892 is supposed to wear better as well with several watchmakers saying the 2824 will need to be serviced every 3-5 years to make up for the increased wear vs the 2892 (which should also be properly serviced but incurs less wear from normal operation).

"I do think that the 2892 has the edge when it comes to long-term wear, or lack thereof. The larger support for the ball bearing races means better support and hence better shock protection for the oscillating weight. Also, because this has been ETA’s inexpensive work horse for so long, and only recently started supplying it with the highest quality parts, ETA haven’t invested the same amount of effort into refining this movement, as they have in the 2892. This is best seen in the automatic unit which doesn’t appear to have undergone much change since its days as an Eterna incarnation. As a result, it seems that parts in that unit seem to wear out faster than the rest of the movement." -- http://www.chronometrie.com/eta2824/eta2824.html

I thought Tudor used chronometer grade movements (not tested but the ETA chronometer grade)? If not they should imo.

A useful chart comparing different grades materials and timings for the 2892 2824 and 7750: http://www.asthewatchturns.com/?p=81

[Swearengen]

My Black Bay was about +9 a day from new. Took it to Rolex St James to be regulated. Now its within a couple of seconds a day

[MG288]

My black bay was running 20+ out of the box and didn't settle even after a few months.. took it to get regulated and now runs within 3 seconds a week :)

[HORNBLOWER]

seconds don't bother me, I get paid by the hour.

[motoikkyu]

My BB is within +5 seconds a day. Since I'm a vintage guy, I'm in no hurry to get it "corrected" since that's pretty good in my stable. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the service centers were swapping ETA movements in and out: I know this is heresy and I will be pilloried and censured for my even daring to breathe that thought, BUT, chances are, there are probably dozens of complete movements available and in some cases, that will be quicker (and easier) than complex trouble-shooting. The swapped movement could then be re-regulated and made available. It's still all original parts and materials, like it or not.