stolen Sub No Date brand new!! by Alvis Stengelis of Blackpool

[James 45]

Yup It happened to me.
I have been selling watches for for years now and I sold one to this guy
Alvis Stengelis of 304B Church street Blackpool Lancashire

And when he got the package that i sent and video taped (me packing the watch and affixing the postage etc.) he told pay pal it was empty.

THEIF!!

now it is under review with pay pal and I don't know if I will get my money!!

So here it is, my watch (because it is not paid for) is stolen and here is the
model and serial number in case he tries to sell it.

114060 2015 NEW IN BOX serial #394V12G5 from canada

He is in UK and will be trying to sell it there or maybe on line.

BEWARE

[Gerardus]

Horrible for you, I hope it will solve.

[cenzor]

Well, couriers will know whether they delivered an empty package or not?
Ask them to verify the weight of the box they accepted versus the one they delivered.
150-180g (weight of the watch itself) should be easy to pick on the different checkpoints (sorting centers, delivery depot, etc.).
Hope it turns all well for you!

[James 45]

Originally Posted by cenzor

Well, couriers will know whether they delivered an empty package or not?
Ask them to verify the weight of the box they accepted versus the one they delivered.
150-180g (weight of the watch itself) should be easy to pick on the different checkpoints (sorting centers, delivery depot, etc.).
Hope it turns all well for you!

yes good point
I will try to use that as the investigation continues.
Thanks

[Mr. K]

Originally Posted by cenzor

Well, couriers will know whether they delivered an empty package or not?
Ask them to verify the weight of the box they accepted versus the one they delivered.
150-180g (weight of the watch itself) should be easy to pick on the different checkpoints (sorting centers, delivery depot, etc.).
Hope it turns all well for you!

this is very smart.

[jjnd08]

Best of luck.

Please keep us posted.

[JDR888]

Joyed the imagine there are too many people in Blackpool with the same name.

LinkedIn profile if it helps you:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/astengelis

[JDR888]

Originally Posted by JDR888

Joyed the imagine there are too many people in Blackpool with the same name.

LinkedIn profile if it helps you:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/astengelis

Can't imagine.........typo

[cenzor]

Originally Posted by JDR888

Joyed the imagine there are too many people in Blackpool with the same name.

LinkedIn profile if it helps you:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/astengelis

If information about employer is correct, drop an email to the company's directors, maybe they might support you... Or at least tell you if the guy has been wearing a nice new Rolex in the last days?

http://www.otoneaudio.co.uk/about/

Adam, Marketing & PR Executive would probably be Alvis's line manager or the manager of his manager...

[SC11]

If I was local I'd pay him a visit for you!

Maybe worth posting over on Turf or TZ as they have more UK based members.

If you PM me the full details I'll post over there for you if you want?

[CDNWatchNut]

thats awful. How someone can do that and look in the mirror is beyond me. I really hope you can get your watch or money back...I feel for ya man !

[James 45]

Thanks guys

I will keep up the fight. and let you know how things go.
I am just heading out to sell some old Rolex parts to a friend
but will be back to talk more

I have his mailing address and his ph# that he gave me.

so If I have to maybe a little trip to beach.

I have never been to England but 7K is a good incentive!!

[Hatman14]

What a scum bag! This is why I won't touch paypal with a barge pole! It's too easy to be scammed using them! I hope it's resolved in your favour.... Tho by personal experience it may not, let's hope the courier comes through for you! I'd take sc11 up on his offer too!

[SC11]

Already posted for you

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...25#post3437925

[James 45]

Originally Posted by SC11

Already posted for you

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...25#post3437925

Thank you

[SC11]

Originally Posted by James 45

Thank you

No worries, also on Turf

http://www.newturfers.com/vb/forum/m...60-paypal-scam

[rollee1]

I am sick hearing these scams.
If I am in the area, I'll pay him a visit.

Is it possible to file a police report on this both in Canada and in UK, and since you have the video can't you use that as evidence and take it up with Paypal?
Something got to be done, these are loopholes in the PP system!

Back in the early days of PP and eBay, I sold a Palm Pilot (remember those?) to a guy in Europe who used a phony cc. I lost $350.
I still feel that pain today

Best of luck and keep us posted. Yes $7k is worth the trip

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by James 45

Yup It happened to me.
I have been selling watches for for years now and I sold one to this guy
Alvis Stengelis of 304B Church street Blackpool Lancashire

And when he got the package that i sent and video taped (me packing the watch and affixing the postage etc.) he told pay pal it was empty.

THEIF!!

now it is under review with pay pal and I don't know if I will get my money!!

So here it is, my watch (because it is not paid for) is stolen and here is the
model and serial number in case he tries to sell it.

114060 2015 NEW IN BOX serial #394V12G5 from canada

He is in UK and will be trying to sell it there or maybe on line.

BEWARE

'james', i know how you feel. being a victim of potential buyer / seller fraud/theft can make one feel completely gutted. i've been a victim on both sides.

stay positive and post ALL the info you have everywhere you can. offer a GOOD SIZEABLE reward to entice serious attention everywhere especially online in the area it was shipped - craigslist etc...

and call the local police! the recipient or route driver may even be under investigation.

good luck.

[bdex75]

This just sucks. It will get to a point that sellers will only sell to verified buyers. It is sick that you have to be as careful about who you sell to as who you buy from.

If shipped fed ex or ups they have very sophisticated equipment all thru out their process that should have captured the weight. As well as when you dropped it off for shipment.

I wonder if they will make him weigh it if you cause a big enough stink??

Sorry for your hopefully temporary loss and yes $7000 is worth causing bodily harm over.


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[sea-dweller]

Sorry to hear that, mate! Hope it gets solved!

[Afghanvet]

Keep us posted... and best of luck!

[salem65]

Maybe the watch was stolen during shipping and he really did receive an empty box Stranger things have happened...

[MitchSteel]

Shit like this makes most of us rethinking using PayPal........who are pretty much thieving bastards themselves.......hey PayPal you hear that?

[travisb]

Sucks! I hope it works out.

[cenzor]

Originally Posted by salem65

Maybe the watch was stolen during shipping and he really did receive an empty box Stranger things have happened...

Absolutely possible. But I would assume he would have contacted the seller first and discussed the issue and circumstances with him first.
From the first post I am under the impression the buyer directly contacted PayPal with the claim. Maybe I am wrong.

[twoweeled]

Originally Posted by salem65

Maybe the watch was stolen during shipping and he really did receive an empty box Stranger things have happened...

This is also possible! If it's properly insured with a major carrier (UPS FEDEX) I think he has a claim against them, if paypal rules against him. But you do have a good point. It does happen.

[SemperFi]

I feel for you and hope it gets resolved in your favor. Best of luck to you and keep us posted.

[Rootbeer]

Guy seems to be a student from a poor(er) country living in an area of relative social deprivation. And maybe he is millionaire sinophile just working for fun, but I would doubt the tips from waiting tables at Chan's Mandarin were sufficient to buy a Rolex.

He is Marketing Management Student at University of Central Lancashire. You could contact them as they may well have a dedicated Police Liaison Officer who can help.

[JDR888]

Originally Posted by Rootbeer

Guy seems to be a student from a poor(er) country living in an area of relative social deprivation. And maybe he is millionaire sinophile just working for fun, but I would doubt the tips from waiting tables at Chan's Mandarin were sufficient to buy a Rolex.

He is Marketing Management Student at University of Central Lancashire. You could contact them as they may well have a dedicated Police Liaison Officer who can help.

Google Map the address and you'll see that the area isn't good. Blackpool as a whole is not the best and has been in decline for many many years. Stag/Hen Party central for the UK (for you guys over the pond Bachelor/Bachelorette). Let's just say if you paid for me to go there I wouldn't. I'm sure there are good areas but you've only got to look at the guy's address - 304B for starters!! You wouldn't equate the address with the clientele that has the affordability of a 114060 - I appreciate this may be a generalisation and I'm happy to be proved wrong. Let's just call it a sixth-sense!!!!

[Rootbeer]

Originally Posted by Rootbeer

Guy seems to be a student from a poor(er) country living in an area of relative social deprivation. And maybe he is millionaire sinophile just working for fun, but I would doubt the tips from waiting tables at Chan's Mandarin were sufficient to buy a Rolex.

He is Marketing Management Student at University of Central Lancashire. You could contact them as they may well have a dedicated Police Liaison Officer who can help.

His University has it's own Police Station:

https://www.facebook.com/UCLANPolice
https://twitter.com/uclanpolice

The university also offers courses in Policing so you may find you are in luck:

Lancashire Constabulary's Chief Constable Steve Finnigan commented: "We have a great partnership between the Constabulary and UCLan and we will look to develop our relationship further in the coming years. There is no doubt that UCLan's Foundation Degree in Policing will continue to play an integral role in the recruitment of our police officers."

Since 2001, in the region of 800 students have studied and graduated from a range of UCLan's policing programmes at Foundation Degree, Bachelors and Masters level. The School of Forensic and Investigative Sciences is now the largest HE provider of Forensic Science, Policing and related subjects in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZTf5AZQCdc