Not much talk about the North Flag

[fania123]

how come? I personally don't get it , but am I missing something?

[tkerrmd]

its a cool new watch and nice addition to the line IMO

[Jbes]

I'm not a fan of power reserve complications. But other than that, I do like it. I like the clear caseback and I'm glad to see Rolex moving in that direction with Tudor. I wouldn't suspect they'd ever make it a factory offering on a Rolex, though.

[Old Expat Beast]

There's a couple of threads on it. Also it was leaked a week early, so it was talked about already, and no surprise.

[mfer]

Great movement, case is not my cup of coffee.

[engin33r]

Power reserve indicator is interesting, also the application of ceramic on side of bezel.... But Rolex has always drawn more attention than Tudor, and yes you are on a Rolex forum....

[fania123]

Isn't Tudor made by Rolex

Originally Posted by engin33r

Power reserve indicator is interesting, also the application of ceramic on side of bezel.... But Rolex has always drawn more attention than Tudor, and yes you are on a Rolex forum....

[engin33r]

Nope... The Tudor brand is owned by Rolex, but no, Rolex doesn't make Tudor watches.

[fania123]

They don't ? I thought the watches are made by Rolex and the movements are outsourced.

Originally Posted by engin33r

Nope... The Tudor brand is owned by Rolex, but no, Rolex doesn't make Tudor watches.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by engin33r

Nope... The Tudor brand is owned by Rolex, but no, Rolex doesn't make Tudor watches.

Sure it does. Always has. RSC techs service Tudor watches too.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/ask-watc...rolex-watches/

[fania123]

That's what I thought Adam.

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Sure it does. Always has. RSC techs service Tudor watches too.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/ask-watc...rolex-watches/

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Sure it does. Always has. RSC techs service Tudor watches too.

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/ask-watc...rolex-watches/

So are you saying Tudors are made in the same facility (same building doesn't count), using the same tools, and by the same people that makes Rolex?

My understanding is that Tudor is not Rolex with different name - they go through different manufacturing process, different people.

CMIIW

[Mr. K]

Originally Posted by engin33r

So are you saying Tudors are made in the same facility (same building doesn't count), using the same tools, and by the same people that makes Rolex?

My understanding is that Tudor is not Rolex with different name - they go through different manufacturing process, different people.

CMIIW

The article is interesting, I have been considering buying a Tudor.
It sounds like tudor is made with all the same technology that Rolex uses except for the movement. If that is the case Tudor is a great value given the price. Tudor is basically a Rolex with a different movement and badge. That is sweet. I never thought of it like that before. I always considered it different watches all together.

[engin33r]

Originally Posted by Mr. K

The article is interesting, I have been considering buying a Tudor.
It sounds like tudor is made with all the same technology that Rolex uses except for the movement. If that is the case Tudor is a great value given the price. Tudor is basically a Rolex with a different movement and badge. That is sweet. I never thought of it like that before. I always considered it different watches all together.

What is a Rolex to you? Tudor has different case than rolex, different movement, different bracelet / strap. So how is it that Tudor is Rolex ?

[Presa canary]

Originally Posted by engin33r

Nope... The Tudor brand is owned by Rolex, but no, Rolex doesn't make Tudor watches.

Rolex most certainly does make Tudor...

[Blackdog]

Originally Posted by Presa canary

Rolex most certainly does make Tudor...

That's my understanding too.
Where is this idea of Rolex NOT making Tudor coming from ?

I also read in this forum about these new movements NOT being made by Tudor but outsourced somehow, where is that coming from ?
I mean, if it is not manufactured in-house can it still be seriously considered Manufacture ? It's still good news and the specs are impressive, but….

There was a rumour some time ago about Rolex having bought at least part of the Sellita operation, I'm not aware of it being confirmed though.
Could it be that Tudor/Rolex designed the movements and have outsourced the actual manufacturing to them ?

[eightbore]

Originally Posted by Blackdog

That's my understanding too.
I also read in this forum about these new movements NOT being made by Tudor but outsourced somehow, where is that coming from ?

I think people (myself included) are naturally suspicious when a company like Rolex/Tudor develops a new movement out of the blue (no rumors at all?) and then effectively charges NOTHING for it. It seems unlikely that they managed to produce a whole new movement that, on a per unit basis, costs about the same as a 2824. Of course, this could be all about gaining market share in which case companies like Omega might have a non-competitive behavior case against Rolex/Tudor if they are dumping watches below the total cost of production (which I sincerely doubt). I also think people might be wary of the "in house" statements of most watch companies after the TAG/Seiko debacle in recent years. This is all in addition to the credibility issues I think all watch companies face as a result of their traditional "re-naming" of other people's movements and effectively presenting them as their own. Sure the average WIS knows how this works, but most people do not and probably resent it after they are burned a time or two.

[Blackdog]

Originally Posted by eightbore

I think people (myself included) are naturally suspicious when a company like Rolex/Tudor develops a new movement out of the blue (no rumors at all?)

Well, if there's a watch company that can pull that off is Rolex. If it had been developed/built outside of their walls we would have probably heard something…

Originally Posted by eightbore

...and then effectively charges NOTHING for it. It seems unlikely that they managed to produce a whole new movement that, on a per unit basis, costs about the same as a 2824.

The cost of the new movement could well be twice that of the older ETA, and they could still charge the same and have a profit margin, I reckon.

Besides, maybe they are saving money with the rather utilitarian finishing they chose for the movement….

[capote]

I like the inhouse movement, if it is as good as an ETA that is. The rest of the watch, from dial to lugs to complication to clear caseback are not for me.

[fania123]

My thoughts exactly. As a whole it does absolutely nothing for me. I guess it's good though seeing that I purchased 3 Tudors last year.

Originally Posted by capote

I like the inhouse movement, if it is as good as an ETA that is. The rest of the watch, from dial to lugs to complication to clear caseback are not for me.

[Mastergreenhand]

It's just not that good looking of a watch. Very dull IMO

[DKRanger22]

Originally Posted by Mastergreenhand

It's just not that good looking of a watch. Very dull IMO

These are my thoughts as well. Just not very inspiring in general. I think my biggest problem with this particular watch are the integrated lugs, which do absolutely nothing for me.

[Blingtone]

I made the same point yesterday about the NF on another thread and totally agree it's an interesting piece.
Without being too pedantic to get to this post you need to follow this thread:
"Rolex Forums - Rolex Watch Forum > Rolex & Tudor Watch Topics > Rolex General Discussion"
So it's not just a Rolex forum as both brands are well related as we all should know...

[Solo118]

If it had normal lugs, I would be all over it.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by fania123

how come? I personally don't get it , but am I missing something?

as others have said, it was leaked earlier (on purpose) and i suppose dive watches are still the most popular segment.

[jshepard]

I'm still not understanding the purpose of a power reserve indicator for an automatic watch... If you're wearing it shouldn't the power reserve be the least of your concerns since your arm movement will continue to power your watch unlike a manual wind where you would need to periodically wind it? I'm not very knowledgeable about power reserves so maybe I'm missing something...


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[engin33r]

Originally Posted by jshepard

I'm still not understanding the purpose of a power reserve indicator for an automatic watch... If you're wearing it shouldn't the power reserve be the least of your concerns since your arm movement will continue to power your watch unlike a manual wind where you would need to periodically wind it? I'm not very knowledgeable about power reserves so maybe I'm missing something...


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The indicator gives you an indication just how much reserve is left. Wearing it doesn't mean you will always keep it's reserve at max level. The indicator is also useful when manually winding the watch as you will know when to stop.

[Castor]

I'd have to see it in person, but it just doesn't look very interesting to me. I like the fact that the movement is in-house & that it supposedly can handle extreme cold: but, on photos anyway, the look of it leaves me very cold.

I'm always forgetting the day & date, so for me if the Heritage Ranger came with a day & date complication... I'd probably switch my Explorer 216570 for it. But in my view the North Flag shouldn't be planted.

[dexvd]

For me, the dial and the yellow, make it seem like a Chopard GPMH or Mille Miglia, I think it could have been done a lot better as a Ranger II. I prefer the utility/tool watch look or dress watch look over the young and sporty look but if they are going for the 18-22 crowd with it then maybe it will hit the market they want, as a member of the mid 20's crowd though, it looks toy-ish to me.

[kooltzar]

Tudors are made under the authority of Rolex as their parent and technical devleopment is by Rolex. However manufacturing is outsourced and they use different materials.