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James 45 · 28 March 2015, 09:35 AM

I am looking at this sub for sale and would like to know if the dial matches the serial (2.3xxxxx)and any other things I should know. I have not bought a red sub before so I want to be sure what I am buying first.
So thanks for your knowledge

Thanks again

willang · 28 March 2015, 10:35 AM

This is a MK 4 and from recent posts when I asked, 2.3 M is too early. Should be 2.45 M on.

willang · 28 March 2015, 10:38 AM

As noted by others, please read the information in the link below:
http://rolex.watchprosite.com/show-f...ti-649211/s-0/

James 45 · 28 March 2015, 11:36 AM

Yes I have read it and seen it is a mark iv
but I have seen several other mark iv's in that range.
So thats why I ask
Is there any more research that would up date the older thread?

PS what about the service bezel do you think it takes to much away from
value?

TimeToGo · 28 March 2015, 09:38 PM

What is the next digit on the serial, 2.3?,,, Anything is possible..

Also, what is the date stamp on the caseback?

You can research the VRF Dial archive but anything in the 2.3 range is meters first. If you do a google search, there are documented watches in the 2.41 and 2.42 range with MK-4 dials.. Were they changed?! who knows.. if you like the watch and the price is right - go for it!

descartes · 28 March 2015, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

What is the next digit on the serial, 2.3?,,, Anything is possible..

Also, what is the date stamp on the caseback?

You can research the VRF Dial archive but anything in the 2.3 range is meters first. If you do a google search, there are documented watches in the 2.41 and 2.42 range with MK-4 dials.. Were they changed?! who knows.. if you like the watch and the price is right - go for it!

One point of correction: The VRF archive does list a mark iv dial at 2,35 which supposedly was attested to by James Dowling who is an author of serveral books on Rolex (for whatever it's worth).

TimeToGo · 28 March 2015, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by descartes

One point of correction: The VRF archive does list a mark iv dial at 2,35 which supposedly was attested to by James Dowling who is an author of serveral books on Rolex (for whatever it's worth).

One point of Correction - I think you mean the "Vintage Rolex Case Number Project" not the Vintage Dial Archive..

I have no bone in this fight...

If you are happy with the watch and Dowling is your source...Zip-a-Dee...Dee pitty-Doo-Dah

descartes · 28 March 2015, 10:04 PM

My red sub is a mark iv dial with a 2,36 serial number case.

Some are of the mind that the serial number is a bit too early for mark iv, but i know of many examples in this range, and usage of parts from the rolex parts bin was too imprecise to establish a certain line At worst, it is a service dial. My red sub is really gorgeous and the dial is pristine with great matching patina, similar to yours.

If you like the watch, i'd say go for it.

john11f · 28 March 2015, 10:40 PM

I had a MKIV dial in the past, complete set also 2.3XX. there are feet first samples in this serial number range as far as I know. also, if a dealer sold you a 2.3XX meant for a meters first, wouldn't he change the dial and add extra $$ to the profit?

James 45 · 28 March 2015, 11:37 PM

Thank you for the input. I do like the watch and will probably go for it.
As long as the price is right of course.

Now I am not sure what that price is, do to the serial- dial thing.

any thoughts?

Jiggo · 29 March 2015, 05:53 AM

have seen a 2.41 MK4 so to start with 2.45 might not be entirely correct? am not sure though

James 45 · 29 March 2015, 07:36 AM

I opened this one and it has a 1970 back.

28 March 2015, 09:35 AM	#1
James 45 Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Watch: No date Sub 14060M Posts: 432	1680 red sub does this dial match the serial? I am looking at this sub for sale and would like to know if the dial matches the serial (2.3xxxxx)and any other things I should know. I have not bought a red sub before so I want to be sure what I am buying first. So thanks for your knowledge Thanks again

28 March 2015, 10:04 PM	#8
descartes "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: North Shore Posts: 1,116	My red sub is a mark iv dial with a 2,36 serial number case. Some are of the mind that the serial number is a bit too early for mark iv, but i know of many examples in this range, and usage of parts from the rolex parts bin was too imprecise to establish a certain line At worst, it is a service dial. My red sub is really gorgeous and the dial is pristine with great matching patina, similar to yours. If you like the watch, i'd say go for it. __________________ I have a weakness for Travel Watches, Platinum, Vintage Rolex and 1960s Divers

28 March 2015, 10:35 AM	#2
willang "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 489	This is a MK 4 and from recent posts when I asked, 2.3 M is too early. Should be 2.45 M on.

28 March 2015, 10:38 AM	#3
willang "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 489	As noted by others, please read the information in the link below: http://rolex.watchprosite.com/show-f...ti-649211/s-0/

28 March 2015, 11:36 AM	#4
James 45 Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Watch: No date Sub 14060M Posts: 432	Yes I have read it and seen it is a mark iv but I have seen several other mark iv's in that range. So thats why I ask Is there any more research that would up date the older thread? PS what about the service bezel do you think it takes to much away from value?

28 March 2015, 09:38 PM	#5
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	What is the next digit on the serial, 2.3?,,, Anything is possible.. Also, what is the date stamp on the caseback? You can research the VRF Dial archive but anything in the 2.3 range is meters first. If you do a google search, there are documented watches in the 2.41 and 2.42 range with MK-4 dials.. Were they changed?! who knows.. if you like the watch and the price is right - go for it!

28 March 2015, 10:40 PM	#9
john11f "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Manila Posts: 222	I had a MKIV dial in the past, complete set also 2.3XX. there are feet first samples in this serial number range as far as I know. also, if a dealer sold you a 2.3XX meant for a meters first, wouldn't he change the dial and add extra $$ to the profit?

28 March 2015, 11:37 PM	#10
James 45 Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Watch: No date Sub 14060M Posts: 432	Thank you for the input. I do like the watch and will probably go for it. As long as the price is right of course. Now I am not sure what that price is, do to the serial- dial thing. any thoughts?

29 March 2015, 05:53 AM	#11
Jiggo "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Real Name: "A" Location: Bangkok Watch: 5512/5513 Posts: 176	have seen a 2.41 MK4 so to start with 2.45 might not be entirely correct? am not sure though

29 March 2015, 07:36 AM	#12
James 45 Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Watch: No date Sub 14060M Posts: 432	I opened this one and it has a 1970 back.

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