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Afghanvet · 30 March 2015, 10:08 AM

Last week I found a watch that I wanted to buy on watchrecon.com. I contacted the seller and began negotiation. Meanwhile, I checked him out - was a highly regarded seller here on TRF, so I went ahead and completed the deal.

Much to my chagrin, the "highly regarded seller" was a scam artist who was posing under the name of someone here on TRF. I thought I had done my homework to make sure I was dealing with someone above board... but I got screwed... now I'm out a chunk of change and feel like an

.

Please, PLEASE be double sure of who you're dealing with before you make a purchase... this one felt as good as it could... but he was smarter than I... and now I've got to start the long process to see if I have any kind of recourse.

Seaswirl · 30 March 2015, 10:11 AM

Holy cr@p. That is awful to hear. Did you let the trusted seller know that some is posting under his/her name? Really sorry and thanks for giving us the heads up.

CoachRolexRyan · 30 March 2015, 10:11 AM

Sorry to hear that. Can you let us know who he was posing as?

tkerrmd · 30 March 2015, 10:11 AM

Wow that sucks!

Afghanvet · 30 March 2015, 10:12 AM

Posing as Charles Gazal - the bogus email address is: [email protected].

Speed · 30 March 2015, 10:13 AM

So sorry to hear about that.

Can you provide more details of what happened?

brandrea · 30 March 2015, 10:15 AM

Sorry to hear of this.

mps354 · 30 March 2015, 10:19 AM

Ugh, hate to hear this

AF_Rob · 30 March 2015, 10:29 AM

Sorry to hear that man. I hope this is resolved quickly.

cop414 · 30 March 2015, 10:31 AM

So sorry, scammers are everywhere these days, pays to double and triple check but even then no guarantees. please keep us posed.

dadonn2 · 30 March 2015, 10:30 AM

I am really sorry to hear this. If there is any place to get assistance in seeking recourse, this is the place. My heart goes out to you. Not to be trite, but please don't beat yourself up over this. It could happen to anyone.

overthehill · 30 March 2015, 10:34 AM

oh no...

kilyung · 30 March 2015, 10:35 AM

The same guy has been posting on watchuseek and watchnet.

If I've never done a deal with someone, I'll usually double check by sending a PM to their forum accounts to confirm their identity.

sirjohnbrian · 30 March 2015, 10:36 AM

Absolutely terrible.

Onikage · 30 March 2015, 10:36 AM

Sickening. I don't do anything monetary online and it seems my 'paranoia' is well-founded. I'm sure others appreciate the heads up and will be compelled to exercise extra caution. I hope things work out for you.

MitchSteel · 30 March 2015, 10:39 AM

Oh, no.Sorry to hear.

sickened1 · 30 March 2015, 10:43 AM

Sorry to hear this. I keep all the trusted sellers I've dealt with on my cell for safety reason. Heard too many stories of someone posting as someone else.

rollee1 · 30 March 2015, 10:58 AM

That is terrible, I feel for your loss. This matter of fraud sicks me to the stomach, I hope that you get some resolve by reporting to the authorities, in hopes to recover your loss and have that individual apprehended.

On another thread I read past week, the OP also got scammed.

He fell for a 14060M priced too good to be true, the scammer used someone's photos of the watch and posted fake references, also posted the same sale on different boards to fake believe this is the on going price for the watch.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/73792...No+date+14060M

Be careful and exercise common sense, when something is too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

On another note, maybe we should compile a sticky data base of known fraudsters as reference?

Afghanvet · 30 March 2015, 10:55 AM

There were signals, I just didn't pick them up. Gosh, feel like a fool...

* poor english in the emails.
* was in a hurry to "close the deal."
* changed the wire account from where he wanted them to go initially due to a "funds transfer delay."
* Wanted a copy of the wired funds transaction receipt.

Man, I should have trusted my instincts!! Trust yours!

juniorlawrence · 30 March 2015, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afghanvet

There were signals, I just didn't pick them up. Gosh, feel like a fool...

* poor english in the emails.
* was in a hurry to "close the deal."
* changed the wire account from where he wanted them to go initially due to a "funds transfer delay."
* Wanted a copy of the wired funds transaction receipt.

Man, I should have trusted my instincts!! Trust yours!

Don't want to pour salt into the wound buy how much did you lose?

If you sent a wire you can work with bank to retract the wire if it was just done recently.

nick c · 30 March 2015, 11:03 AM

Sorry to hear

Afghanvet · 30 March 2015, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juniorlawrence

Don't want to pour salt into the wound buy how much did you lose?

If you sent a wire you can work with bank to retract the wire if it was just done recently.

$3800. And the bank is a bank I've been a member of for 25 years... without a single incident. I'm confident they'll take care of me - but they don't need to. I was the fool here.

juniorlawrence · 30 March 2015, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afghanvet

$3800. And the bank is a bank I've been a member of for 25 years... without a single incident. I'm confident they'll take care of me - but they don't need to. I was the fool here.

Act fast, go to Bank 1st thing tomorrow to have them try to retract wire. Fraud is never your fault, GL

SemperFi · 30 March 2015, 11:05 AM

That's just sickening. I really feel for you.

scranger · 30 March 2015, 11:16 AM

Truly sorry for your loss, but I commend your openness in sharing so that others might learn from it.

R Douglas · 30 March 2015, 11:17 AM

When I google that email address it leads to several watches for sale on watchuseek, maybe they should be given a "heads-up"

Afghanvet · 30 March 2015, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R Douglas

When I google that email address it leads to several watches for sale on watchuseek, maybe they should be given a "heads-up"

Great idea... how??

Joe.King · 30 March 2015, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afghanvet

Great idea... how??

Is this the guy?
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/rol...d-1628298.html

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/fs-...c-1724730.html

Afghanvet · 30 March 2015, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe.King

Is this the guy?
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/rol...d-1628298.html

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/fs-...c-1724730.html

That'd be him (her...)

NoVaSubowner · 30 March 2015, 12:46 PM

The real Charles Gazal listed his ph number in his ads. So sorry to hear about this.

30 March 2015, 10:08 AM	#1
Afghanvet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Virginia Watch: Subs, SD4K Posts: 2,272	A very, very painful lesson... Last week I found a watch that I wanted to buy on watchrecon.com. I contacted the seller and began negotiation. Meanwhile, I checked him out - was a highly regarded seller here on TRF, so I went ahead and completed the deal. Much to my chagrin, the "highly regarded seller" was a scam artist who was posing under the name of someone here on TRF. I thought I had done my homework to make sure I was dealing with someone above board... but I got screwed... now I'm out a chunk of change and feel like an . Please, PLEASE be double sure of who you're dealing with before you make a purchase... this one felt as good as it could... but he was smarter than I... and now I've got to start the long process to see if I have any kind of recourse. __________________ Subaholics Anonymous

30 March 2015, 10:11 AM	#3
CoachRolexRyan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Coach Location: Boston Watch: Rolex Deep Sea Posts: 1,297	Sorry to hear that. Can you let us know who he was posing as? __________________ DSSD, PAM 320, PAM 170, BR03-92

30 March 2015, 10:12 AM	#5
Afghanvet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Virginia Watch: Subs, SD4K Posts: 2,272	Posing as Charles Gazal - the bogus email address is: [email protected]. __________________ Subaholics Anonymous

30 March 2015, 10:31 AM	#10
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,234	So sorry, scammers are everywhere these days, pays to double and triple check but even then no guarantees. please keep us posed. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

30 March 2015, 10:36 AM	#14
sirjohnbrian "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Watch: 'chu lookin' at??? Posts: 964	Absolutely terrible. __________________ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." Mark Twain "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." Homer Simpson SS Midsize DJ 68274 "L" TT Jubilee DJ 116233 "Z" Sea Dweller DS 116660 "V" SS White Dial Daytona "V"

30 March 2015, 10:11 AM	#2
Seaswirl "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NYC Posts: 1,761	Holy cr@p. That is awful to hear. Did you let the trusted seller know that some is posting under his/her name? Really sorry and thanks for giving us the heads up.

30 March 2015, 10:11 AM	#4
tkerrmd "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Tom Location: In a race car! Watch: ME RACE PORSCHES Posts: 24,123	Wow that sucks!

30 March 2015, 10:13 AM	#6
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	So sorry to hear about that. Can you provide more details of what happened?

30 March 2015, 10:15 AM	#7
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,075	Sorry to hear of this.

30 March 2015, 10:19 AM	#8
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,097	Ugh, hate to hear this

30 March 2015, 10:29 AM	#9
AF_Rob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Virginia Watch: Sub/Polar/OP/BB Posts: 4,671	Sorry to hear that man. I hope this is resolved quickly.

30 March 2015, 10:30 AM	#11
dadonn2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 1,557	I am really sorry to hear this. If there is any place to get assistance in seeking recourse, this is the place. My heart goes out to you. Not to be trite, but please don't beat yourself up over this. It could happen to anyone.

30 March 2015, 10:34 AM	#12
overthehill Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: www.watchpics.org Watch: SubC date, BLNR Posts: 414	oh no...

30 March 2015, 10:35 AM	#13
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	The same guy has been posting on watchuseek and watchnet. If I've never done a deal with someone, I'll usually double check by sending a PM to their forum accounts to confirm their identity.

30 March 2015, 10:36 AM	#15
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Sickening. I don't do anything monetary online and it seems my 'paranoia' is well-founded. I'm sure others appreciate the heads up and will be compelled to exercise extra caution. I hope things work out for you. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

30 March 2015, 10:39 AM	#16
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	Oh, no.Sorry to hear. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival---Capt. Rage Don't believe anything in aviation, 'till V1---Mitch Danger Steel

30 March 2015, 10:43 AM	#17
sickened1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: SoCal Watch: ugiveiswatchuget Posts: 9,054	Sorry to hear this. I keep all the trusted sellers I've dealt with on my cell for safety reason. Heard too many stories of someone posting as someone else.

30 March 2015, 10:58 AM	#18
rollee1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Rollee Location: Boston Watch: it watching me Posts: 1,945	That is terrible, I feel for your loss. This matter of fraud sicks me to the stomach, I hope that you get some resolve by reporting to the authorities, in hopes to recover your loss and have that individual apprehended. On another thread I read past week, the OP also got scammed. He fell for a 14060M priced too good to be true, the scammer used someone's photos of the watch and posted fake references, also posted the same sale on different boards to fake believe this is the on going price for the watch. http://www.network54.com/Forum/73792...No+date+14060M Be careful and exercise common sense, when something is too good to be true, it is too good to be true. On another note, maybe we should compile a sticky data base of known fraudsters as reference? __________________ Time you enjoy wasting was not wasted

30 March 2015, 10:55 AM	#19
Afghanvet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Virginia Watch: Subs, SD4K Posts: 2,272	There were signals, I just didn't pick them up. Gosh, feel like a fool... * poor english in the emails. * was in a hurry to "close the deal." * changed the wire account from where he wanted them to go initially due to a "funds transfer delay." * Wanted a copy of the wired funds transaction receipt. Man, I should have trusted my instincts!! Trust yours! __________________ Subaholics Anonymous

30 March 2015, 11:03 AM	#21
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Sorry to hear

30 March 2015, 11:05 AM	#24
SemperFi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Angelo Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 42,164	That's just sickening. I really feel for you.

30 March 2015, 11:16 AM	#25
scranger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Fred Location: Columbia, SC Watch: GMTII, DD, Daytona Posts: 249	Truly sorry for your loss, but I commend your openness in sharing so that others might learn from it.

30 March 2015, 11:17 AM	#26
R Douglas "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Springfield Pa Watch: 114060 Posts: 234	When I google that email address it leads to several watches for sale on watchuseek, maybe they should be given a "heads-up"

30 March 2015, 12:46 PM	#30
NoVaSubowner "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Alexandria, VA Watch: Love them. Posts: 1,095	The real Charles Gazal listed his ph number in his ads. So sorry to hear about this.

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