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nadavgalimidi · 27 August 2015, 11:30 AM

It looks good to me based on my research. But I am not an expert.
Expert opinions on this piece are highly appreciated!

Thanks!

nadavgalimidi · 27 August 2015, 11:53 AM

willang · 27 August 2015, 12:07 PM

Nice rail! Are the spots on the crystal or the dial?

Pretty sure the experts will chime in soon.

jdmi32 · 27 August 2015, 12:09 PM

Not an expert but aside from the service insert, it looks like a very nice and correct rail dial.

nadavgalimidi · 27 August 2015, 12:10 PM

Spots are on the crystal. Not the dial.

willang · 27 August 2015, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nadavgalimidi

Spots are on the crystal. Not the dial.

How about the line between 45 to the 50 minute markers? Is that on crystal or dial? Looks like it's on the dial.

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by willang

How about the line between 45 to the 50 minute markers? Is that on crystal or dial? Looks like it's on the dial.

Looks like s small hairline on dial.

jdmi32 · 27 August 2015, 12:11 PM

Actually, the insert might in fact be period correct.

U5512 · 27 August 2015, 03:57 PM

Very nice looking rail dial SD!

.....here's mine:

RLX-lvr · 27 August 2015, 04:16 PM

Looks ok.

I would want to know for sure if those marks are indeed on the dial.

A pic of the crystal off, or have the seller poly watch the crystal, which should of have done in the first place.

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RLX-lvr

Looks ok.

I would want to know for sure if those marks are indeed on the dial.

A pic of the crystal off, or have the seller poly watch the crystal, which should of have done in the first place.

They are on the crystal.

Karbo · 27 August 2015, 07:49 PM

Beautifull bit it looks like there is some corrosion between lugs...

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Karbo

Beautifull bit it looks like there is some corrosion between lugs...

It is gunk. Not rust.

jsft98 · 27 August 2015, 09:07 PM

Nice Rail dial. The caseback engraving looks very fresh!

JustinK · 27 August 2015, 10:14 PM

Could be a shadow but has the dial been touched up at 6 o clock? I would take a close look at the bottom of the dial.

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinK

Could be a shadow but has the dial been touched up at 6 o clock? I would take a close look at the bottom of the dial.

It's a shadow/reflection.

Beaumont Miller II · 27 August 2015, 11:20 PM

Trying to study the engravings between the lugs and the inside case back on this one.

Michael M. · 28 August 2015, 12:09 AM

John and I have been discussing the authenticity of the case and have both come to the conclusion that the case itself is fake. The engravings as well as the case profile are incorrect.

Beaumont Miller II · 28 August 2015, 12:51 AM

The picture of the inside of the case back is interesting. The stampings are very poor on the text, the "6's" in 1665 are not completed at the top, and another tell tale sign is the fact that there is no period between the "S" and the "A" at the top right. Rolex wouldn't just leave that out. I do not have a picture of a correct case back I can post but you can find them on plenty of archives. In addition the stampings between the lugs specifically the 6's in 1665 do not look correct for a 6.1 mil serial.
I have to tip my hat to Michael here on this matter. While I saw some of these things I was more swayed by the gunk between the lugs etc. However, after a much closer and thorough look I have some concerns with this one.

JustinK · 28 August 2015, 12:58 AM

The case back does look off but I would not have guessed this case is fake. Looking forwarded to learning more.

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 01:23 AM

jdmi32 · 28 August 2015, 01:46 AM

Very interesting. I've compared the etchings to my great white and the sixes and also the HEV do not match. The HEV on the updated picture doesn't even look functional.

What about the dial? Legit? If so, why on earth would someone mess around with such a costly dial and put it on a fake case?

Vincent65 · 28 August 2015, 01:57 AM

This looks dodgy to me, too. The case-back struck me first, even the outside of it looks off.
And the case/lugs profile, and the crown-guards don't look 'Rolex' to me.

Even the 'end-link wear marks' on the backs of the lugs look [badly] manufactured to me; like someone's put a chisel to them.

Run!

Wing Zero · 28 August 2015, 02:06 AM

"Frankens" or "Projects" like this come out of replica forums all the time.

Why would someone put a genuine dial and movement on a fake case?
Because genuine mid cases are hardest to acquire and is the easiest to produce.

1665 engraving is incorrect. Should look like this for 6 mil serial:

HEV valve is also not in the right position:

Case back stamping is off

Here is the replica case by the way with the same engravings

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

"Frankens" or "Projects" like this come out of replica forums all the time.

Why would someone put a genuine dial and movement on a fake case?
Because genuine mid cases are hardest to acquire and is the easiest to produce.

1665 engraving is incorrect. Should look like this for 6 mil serial:

HEV valve is also not in the right position:

Case back stamping is off

Here is the replica case by the way with the same engravings

Really helps show the slight differences.
Thanks for the help guys!

HERITAGE82 · 28 August 2015, 02:28 AM

The knowledge here is incredible! Thank you all for keeping the market clean!!

nadavgalimidi · 28 August 2015, 02:33 AM

Will run away from this one!!

stillsane · 28 August 2015, 03:00 AM

awesome job identifying that replica case

Beaumont Miller II · 28 August 2015, 03:02 AM

As my uncle would say, "it's a jungle out there."

RLX-lvr · 28 August 2015, 03:26 AM

Wonderful post there JC!!

Great way of posting the real pics beside the fake.

27 August 2015, 11:30 AM	#1
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	Opinions on this 1665 please! It looks good to me based on my research. But I am not an expert. Expert opinions on this piece are highly appreciated! Thanks!

27 August 2015, 12:07 PM	#3
willang "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 489	Nice rail! Are the spots on the crystal or the dial? Pretty sure the experts will chime in soon. __________________ Instagram: _willang

27 August 2015, 07:49 PM	#12
Karbo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Paris, France Watch: Dayto/5164 Posts: 1,631	Beautifull bit it looks like there is some corrosion between lugs... __________________ IG : @aka_karbo

27 August 2015, 11:20 PM	#17
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	Trying to study the engravings between the lugs and the inside case back on this one. __________________

28 August 2015, 12:51 AM	#19
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	The picture of the inside of the case back is interesting. The stampings are very poor on the text, the "6's" in 1665 are not completed at the top, and another tell tale sign is the fact that there is no period between the "S" and the "A" at the top right. Rolex wouldn't just leave that out. I do not have a picture of a correct case back I can post but you can find them on plenty of archives. In addition the stampings between the lugs specifically the 6's in 1665 do not look correct for a 6.1 mil serial. I have to tip my hat to Michael here on this matter. While I saw some of these things I was more swayed by the gunk between the lugs etc. However, after a much closer and thorough look I have some concerns with this one. __________________

27 August 2015, 11:53 AM	#2
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149

27 August 2015, 12:09 PM	#4
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Not an expert but aside from the service insert, it looks like a very nice and correct rail dial.

27 August 2015, 12:10 PM	#5
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	Spots are on the crystal. Not the dial.

27 August 2015, 12:11 PM	#8
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Actually, the insert might in fact be period correct.

27 August 2015, 04:16 PM	#10
RLX-lvr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: Toronto Posts: 1,947	Looks ok. I would want to know for sure if those marks are indeed on the dial. A pic of the crystal off, or have the seller poly watch the crystal, which should of have done in the first place.

27 August 2015, 09:07 PM	#14
jsft98 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Real Name: @jsft98 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 76	Nice Rail dial. The caseback engraving looks very fresh!

27 August 2015, 10:14 PM	#15
JustinK 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Justin Location: Jupiter, FL Watch: 1530,1665,1680 Posts: 2,064	Could be a shadow but has the dial been touched up at 6 o clock? I would take a close look at the bottom of the dial.

28 August 2015, 12:09 AM	#18
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	John and I have been discussing the authenticity of the case and have both come to the conclusion that the case itself is fake. The engravings as well as the case profile are incorrect.

28 August 2015, 12:58 AM	#20
JustinK 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Justin Location: Jupiter, FL Watch: 1530,1665,1680 Posts: 2,064	The case back does look off but I would not have guessed this case is fake. Looking forwarded to learning more.

28 August 2015, 01:23 AM	#21
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	Here are some more pictures.

28 August 2015, 01:46 AM	#22
jdmi32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Ky Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: 16570 Posts: 2,362	Very interesting. I've compared the etchings to my great white and the sixes and also the HEV do not match. The HEV on the updated picture doesn't even look functional. What about the dial? Legit? If so, why on earth would someone mess around with such a costly dial and put it on a fake case?

28 August 2015, 01:57 AM	#23
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	This looks dodgy to me, too. The case-back struck me first, even the outside of it looks off. And the case/lugs profile, and the crown-guards don't look 'Rolex' to me. Even the 'end-link wear marks' on the backs of the lugs look [badly] manufactured to me; like someone's put a chisel to them. Run! __________________

28 August 2015, 02:06 AM	#24
Wing Zero "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: JC Location: Earth Watch: 1680 ~ 16610LV Posts: 811	"Frankens" or "Projects" like this come out of replica forums all the time. Why would someone put a genuine dial and movement on a fake case? Because genuine mid cases are hardest to acquire and is the easiest to produce. 1665 engraving is incorrect. Should look like this for 6 mil serial: HEV valve is also not in the right position: Case back stamping is off Here is the replica case by the way with the same engravings __________________ ********************** **********************

28 August 2015, 02:28 AM	#26
HERITAGE82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,438	The knowledge here is incredible! Thank you all for keeping the market clean!! __________________ - Rolex Explorer - 214270 - Tudor Black Bay - 79230B - Tudor Chronograph - 79270P - Breitling Chronomat - 10th Anniv. - Huguenin Freres Speedmaster Prototype

28 August 2015, 02:33 AM	#27
nadavgalimidi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Nadav Location: USA Watch: 6263 Daytona Posts: 149	Thanks for the info! Will run away from this one!!

28 August 2015, 03:00 AM	#28
stillsane "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Tom T Location: Illinois Watch: 1680, 214270, BLNR Posts: 168	awesome job identifying that replica case

28 August 2015, 03:02 AM	#29
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	As my uncle would say, "it's a jungle out there." __________________

28 August 2015, 03:26 AM	#30
RLX-lvr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: Toronto Posts: 1,947	Wonderful post there JC!! Great way of posting the real pics beside the fake.

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