What will replace carbon and ceramic divers?

[lapince]

Well the title says it all, what do you think will replace these 3 models since it's clear now that they are discontinued? Don't know how a RG would be, the Wempe one was great, maybe a titanium model, the ultra light weight would be very cool, I don't think they will leave it as is with just 2 SS models considering the history of this model and the different materials you could get it in…

What do you think? Have any ideas on future material possibilities?

How happy I am to be one of the few owners to have one, ok I had more exclusive pieces, a Pam 82 "shadow case" for example, but didn't love it as much as this one….

[texex91]

Who knows...stick around for SIHH next month and some questions will be answered.

[goog53]

Originally Posted by texex91

Who knows...stick around for SIHH next month and some questions will be answered.

Do you foresee more ceramic and cermet bezels on 42 and 44mm ROOS? Don't hold out on us Paul. You might as well be part of AP product development

[Dickson Lim]

I shall say, there's some surprises for AP fans!

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

I shall say, there's some surprises for AP fans!

That's what I hear as well

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

I shall say, there's some surprises for AP fans!

Will also be some for Patek fans this year with the 40th of the Nautilus

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

I shall say, there's some surprises for AP fans!

Can't wait

[dysondiver]

expect the unexpected , lets go firm on maybe ... lol , time will tell.

[green_dial]

Such a shame, the black/orange Ceramic is such a great watch.

Maybe Titanium or Tantalum for 2016?

[thsiao]

Why not something more... Bronze?

[lapince]

Originally Posted by green_dial

Such a shame, the black/orange Ceramic is such a great watch.

Maybe Titanium or Tantalum for 2016?

I agree I'm really happy to have been able to get mine and at an incredible price, yes Titanium would be awesome but with ceramic or cermet bezel, a TI bezel would be scratched like crazy very quickly, tantalum is a metal I love but I'm afraid it would make the watch top heavy, many members say they flipped their divers due to the abusive weight and lack of comfort, I think tantalum is better for smaller/thinner watches than on big ones...

Originally Posted by thsiao

Why not something more... Bronze?

Well I'm not a big fan of bronze watches, for me I would love if they made a RG diver with cermet or ceramic bezel, that would be great, I'm sure they're gonna come up with something to replace the CE and FC models, one thing is sure with the CE discontinued I will never flip this one as it will probably be hard to find another one, so if I want a watch I'll save up and wait but not flip it thinking "it's ok I'll get it back later" because with around 600 made you can't say that they flooded the market with them, they will be hard to find as they're not super expensive and are awesome timepieces...

[exxondus]

Maybe a 37-40mm diver for a change. Small wrists individuals like me just cant pull off the diver :(

[lapince]

Originally Posted by exxondus

Maybe a 37-40mm diver for a change. Small wrists individuals like me just cant pull off the diver :(

Seems it would go against the basics of the ROO line which is oversized sports watches, but I may be wrong, Can cermet be used for a watch case or only for bezels? If yes that would be awesome, a grey diver with anthracite dial in cermet, and of course grey rubber strap, now that would be a killer watch if you ask me, seeing their history and past models I can't imagine them sticking with the SS divers, that would not be cool, bit they are maybe doing this for people who want special materials to go for the 44's by not offering any special material model in less than that size...

[eonflux]

JLC makes an AMVOX5 with a black cermet case
Omega has a grey ceramic that looks like metal
Would be cool if AP used cermet or a grey ceramic for a bezel and/or case

[lapince]

Originally Posted by eonflux

JLC makes an AMVOX5 with a black cermet case
Omega has a grey ceramic that looks like metal
Would be cool if AP used cermet or a grey ceramic for a bezel and/or case

Yes I would love a grey ceramic or cermet diver case and bezel, IMO it would look great, I can't believe they're going to limit the diver to SS versions, the on:y reason why they would do that is to make it an obligation for those who want special materials to go for the more expensive 44mm's, that would be a shame I think

[bayerische]

Titanium could be nice.

[singe89]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Titanium could be nice.

Please!!!! Titanium with ceramic/cermet bezel and crowns. Gray and black dial with red accents would be nice too. Mini schumi diver

[exiger77]

Ceramic diver discontinued,really?

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by exiger77

Ceramic diver discontinued,really?

Just bought mine, would have held off If I knew changes were coming this quick

[Dickson Lim]

Originally Posted by VaRobot

Just bought mine, would have held off If I knew changes were coming this quick

Trust me, it will not affects your decision. And, Ceramic Diver is truly a spectacular piece!

[VaRobot]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

Trust me, it will not affects your decision. And, Ceramic Diver is truly a spectacular piece!

Thanks

[PJ S]

Maybe AP will look at the material Linde Werdelin uses for their Oktopus Moonlite, which is an alloy mainly of magnesium, aluminium, and zirconium, with a treatment process which offers much greater scratch resistance properties than typically used DLC does.
It also bonds to the material 15 microns deep, with double the 5 micron surface layer as DLC, so if a scratch does manage to occur, it’ll not display the underlying raw metal that DLC will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv1-0Ew8xFA

[SMD]

"Reimagined" rubberclad

[locutus49]

Platinum.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Can't wait

As I can't wait for the Nautilus 40th, am impatient to see what Patek has in store for us on this amazing anniversary

Originally Posted by bayerische

Titanium could be nice.

with cermet bezel it would be awesome

Originally Posted by exiger77

Ceramic diver discontinued,really?

Yep really

Originally Posted by VaRobot

Just bought mine, would have held off If I knew changes were coming this quick

You would have held off??? On the contrary, you are the owner of a very exclusive piece which was made at around 600-700 pieces, and seeing the love it gets the second hand market prices will rise strongly I believe, don't regret on the contrary you should be thrilled that you got one of the last. Can I ask you more or less the number on your? Mine is around 550, is your's below or over 700?

Originally Posted by singe89

Please!!!! Titanium with ceramic/cermet bezel and crowns. Gray and black dial with red accents would be nice too. Mini schumi diver

Now we're talking, with grey rubber strap, would le awesome…

Originally Posted by PJ S

Maybe AP will look at the material Linde Werdelin uses for their Oktopus Moonlite, which is an alloy mainly of magnesium, aluminium, and zirconium, with a treatment process which offers much greater scratch resistance properties than typically used DLC does.
It also bonds to the material 15 microns deep, with double the 5 micron surface layer as DLC, so if a scratch does manage to occur, it’ll not display the underlying raw metal that DLC will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv1-0Ew8xFA

Good idea but I still prefer the ceramic material to an "improved DLC"

Originally Posted by locutus49

Platinum.

Cool but would be too heavy I think, at least for the average bloke like me

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by lapince

Good idea but I still prefer the ceramic material to an "improved DLC"

Yes, but ceramic’s achilles heel is its brittleness, if dropped or clunked against something hard.
Where typical DLC coatings used by Swiss manufacturers is 2000-3500 HV (Vickers hardness scale), the company Linde Werdelin uses, offers 5000 Hv.
The Oktopus Moonlite is similarly as hard, with the clear coating it uses.

http://www.lindewerdelin.com/thelab/...istory-of-dlc/
http://www.lindewerdelin.com/thelab/the-beauty-of-alw/

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by lapince

As I can't wait for the Nautilus 40th, am impatient to see what Patek has in store for us on this amazing anniversary:

Indeed me as well! We are on opposite courses. You have a Patek void and I an AP void

Hopefully they both deliver so we have some good pieces to look forward to

[speedfighter]

Just wish they started making new 47-48mm divers or other watches in that size range for that matter. Love the Legacy and T3 in photos but never seen one in the flesh before:(

[lapince]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Yes, but ceramic’s achilles heel is its brittleness, if dropped or clunked against something hard.
Where typical DLC coatings used by Swiss manufacturers is 2000-3500 HV (Vickers hardness scale), the company Linde Werdelin uses, offers 5000 Hv.
The Oktopus Moonlite is similarly as hard, with the clear coating it uses.

http://www.lindewerdelin.com/thelab/...istory-of-dlc/
http://www.lindewerdelin.com/thelab/the-beauty-of-alw/

Yes but the AP ceramic is hard enough to not break you just need to be a little careful with it and nothing will happen, it's not a beater if you need a beater then you take a sub or in worse case a SS diver, I've never heard anyone on this forum saying they chipped their CE AP, it's a sports watch but just not made for sports in which there are risks of shocks, it suits me just fine

Originally Posted by GB-man

Indeed me as well! We are on opposite courses. You have a Patek void and I an AP void

Hopefully they both deliver so we have some good pieces to look forward to

Don't worry, I'll get my Patek back when I can as I'm sure you'll get the AP you want as well, where there's a will there's a way

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by lapince

Yes but the AP ceramic is hard enough to not break you just need to be a little careful with it and nothing will happen,…

I was talking about ceramic cases in general, not AP specifically.
I would have said titanium is a dead cert, what with the QE II Cup chrono limited edition they did – but if they did go down that route, along with a ceramic bezel, they’d be playing right into the hands of the fake market, as it appears that diver version already exists.
Of course, that idea may’ve stemmed from the Ruben Barrichello II ROOC.

So for me, I’d say AP really need to step up their game on the materials front.