submariner vs sea dweller

[silverbullet818]

I love the brand so the next comment is not penned in a derogatory manner.

So, is there really much ado about nothing between these two models?

The differences are 'subtle' in appearance. Performance with respect to depth rating is clearly obvious but what about wearability.

Can someone who is fortunate enough to own both concurrently or have owned them each at one point in time kindly provide their thoughts?

It would be helpful for me in making my future decision.

Thanks

[Rolex57]

To me, the biggest difference is one has a cyclops and the other doesn't.

Next question to ask yourself is do you want a plain ole sub, or an over-engineered sub?

Personally, I always go for the over engineered. I've never owned a sub because the SD was better. Then when the DSSD came along, I dumped the SD and bought the DSSD and have kept it ever since.

[WJGESQ]

Originally Posted by Rolex57

To me, the biggest difference is one has a cyclops and the other doesn't.

Next question to ask yourself is do you want a plain ole sub, or an over-engineered sub?

Personally, I always go for the over engineered. I've never owned a sub because the SD was better. Then when the DSSD came along, I dumped the SD and bought the DSSD and have kept it ever since.

Good points.

[mudd]

I flipped a SubC Date for this and have no regrets.

[mrchrisx69]

Originally Posted by mudd

I flipped a SubC Date for this and have no regrets.

What made you decide on the SD?

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[mudd]

The tapered lugs, lack of cyclops, matte dial, and overall fit. It fits my wrist much better and actually wears more comfortably despite it's weight.

[Monsta]

Originally Posted by Rolex57

To me, the biggest difference is one has a cyclops and the other doesn't.

Next question to ask yourself is do you want a plain ole sub, or an over-engineered sub?

Personally, I always go for the over engineered. I've never owned a sub because the SD was better. Then when the DSSD came along, I dumped the SD and bought the DSSD and have kept it ever since.

My opinion exactly. With one point to add I have a big wrist and the sd and subs looked way to small. So in a sense had to spend more but in the long run I saved because all the different dials of the sub are really beautiful and at the very least I would have bought the hulk and a no date.

[Jfullm42]

I've owned both, but I currently have a triple 6 SD, I've had three 16600's and one 116600. So I'm biased to say that the SD beats the Sub for me. Love the sans cyclops, and the way it sits on my wrist. Some don't like the height, but I love the height and the crystal of the SD

[silverbullet818]

So the SD is indeed a bit 'larger' in the case?

I'm looking for a complementary Rolex sports watch to keep my GMT ii BLRO company.

There are times when I just want to 'rough' it with a pure steel model.

[Gasoil4ever]

[silverbullet818]

Originally Posted by Gasoil4ever

Thanks!

It appears very similar when on the wrist.

This I need to try on in an AD

[Rowlf]

Sea Dweller sat too high on my wrist. But I really like the smaller date window!

Cheers,

Ben

[chong2k]

The more you dive into the world of these watches and read about them on the internet, the more the differences will become obvious to you. For "normal people", both watches, as well as older vs. newer models look exactly the same :)

All of them are great, though!

[Mick P]

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.

The Sea Dweller is the most water tight and goes down to great depths. If you are physically capable of going down 4000 ft and need reminding of the date, this is the watch for you. It has a date function but no cyclops, which is good for looking cool but bad if you are short sighted. Also it is the most bulky of the 3 watches, so some people will think you must be someone important to wear such a big watch whilst others will think you are a poseur.

The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

The Sub Date is the most popular of the three because you can dive down to about 1000ft and easily read the date thanks to the Cyclops.

All three watches are truly tool watches and have a loyal following of devotees who can never make their mind up which one is the best.

I wear a Sub Date purely because it was a good deal when I bought it.

As regards to which one is the best, I would say that depends on how you use it and here you must be honest with yourself.

If you buy these expensive, highly water tight watches just to splash about in the pool or for the occasional snorkel dive, the Sub or Sub date is your best bet.

If you have the ability to remember what day it is, opt for the Sub, if you need to constantly look at the date, go for the Sub Date so you can see that it is the 28th when you are halfway to the bottom of the pool.

If you are a tough guy and one of the 0.00000001% who will be going down 4000 ft, then the Sea Dweller is the one for you.

Of course, if you actually do go down to 4000 ft, there is a good chance that you may be attacked by man eating sharks and if you are really unfortunate, you will also be eaten by the shark who will digest you and will shit you out as nature intended.

The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

[FloydTheBarber]

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Mick P

When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

[belligero]

Originally Posted by Rolex57

To me, the biggest difference is one has a cyclops and the other doesn't.

Next question to ask yourself is do you want a plain ole sub, or an over-engineered sub?

Personally, I always go for the over engineered. I've never owned a sub because the SD was better. Then when the DSSD came along, I dumped the SD and bought the DSSD and have kept it ever since.

You say "over-engineered" like it's a good thing. Considering that the even the deepest experimental dive in history was around 500 m, and that the number of people who have gone scuba diving recreationally below 240 m is the same as those who have walked on the moon, there's no benefit to having extra bulk to lug around and an extra hole in the case whose only function is to release helium accumulated in a saturation-diving environment.

As an engineer myself, I prefer properly-engineered to over-engineered. The plain ol' Submariner is slimmer, has one fewer leak point, and is the better watch for wearing.

On the other hand, I went for the Sea-Dweller because I like the way it looks. :)

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.
[...]
I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

Quality post; thanks for that.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.

The Sea Dweller is the most water tight and goes down to great depths. If you are physically capable of going down 4000 ft and need reminding of the date, this is the watch for you. It has a date function but no cyclops, which is good for looking cool but bad if you are short sighted. Also it is the most bulky of the 3 watches, so some people will think you must be someone important to wear such a big watch whilst others will think you are a poseur.

The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

The Sub Date is the most popular of the three because you can dive down to about 1000ft and easily read the date thanks to the Cyclops.

All three watches are truly tool watches and have a loyal following of devotees who can never make their mind up which one is the best.

I wear a Sub Date purely because it was a good deal when I bought it.

As regards to which one is the best, I would say that depends on how you use it and here you must be honest with yourself.

If you buy these expensive, highly water tight watches just to splash about in the pool or for the occasional snorkel dive, the Sub or Sub date is your best bet.

If you have the ability to remember what day it is, opt for the Sub, if you need to constantly look at the date, go for the Sub Date so you can see that it is the 28th when you are halfway to the bottom of the pool.

If you are a tough guy and one of the 0.00000001% who will be going down 4000 ft, then the Sea Dweller is the one for you.

Of course, if you actually do go down to 4000 ft, there is a good chance that you may be attacked by man eating sharks and if you are really unfortunate, you will also be eaten by the shark who will digest you and will shit you out as nature intended.

The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

Good stuff, Mick, we'll make a pimp out of you yet.

[judodave1964]

I bought my first seadweller just before last christmas after 25 years of going from the sub date to the sub and back again over and over due to my love hate of the cyclops. I wish I bought a sea dweller a long time ago because its a superb stunning watch.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by AK797

Good stuff, Mick, we'll make a pimp out of you yet.

Best one yet !!!

[Golfster]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps





The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.


Regards

Mick

Women appreciate accomplished Divers who can keep a date!

Therefore, Sub Date!

[Kippers]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.

The Sea Dweller is the most water tight and goes down to great depths. If you are physically capable of going down 4000 ft and need reminding of the date, this is the watch for you. It has a date function but no cyclops, which is good for looking cool but bad if you are short sighted. Also it is the most bulky of the 3 watches, so some people will think you must be someone important to wear such a big watch whilst others will think you are a poseur.

The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

The Sub Date is the most popular of the three because you can dive down to about 1000ft and easily read the date thanks to the Cyclops.

All three watches are truly tool watches and have a loyal following of devotees who can never make their mind up which one is the best.

I wear a Sub Date purely because it was a good deal when I bought it.

As regards to which one is the best, I would say that depends on how you use it and here you must be honest with yourself.

If you buy these expensive, highly water tight watches just to splash about in the pool or for the occasional snorkel dive, the Sub or Sub date is your best bet.

If you have the ability to remember what day it is, opt for the Sub, if you need to constantly look at the date, go for the Sub Date so you can see that it is the 28th when you are halfway to the bottom of the pool.

If you are a tough guy and one of the 0.00000001% who will be going down 4000 ft, then the Sea Dweller is the one for you.

Of course, if you actually do go down to 4000 ft, there is a good chance that you may be attacked by man eating sharks and if you are really unfortunate, you will also be eaten by the shark who will digest you and will shit you out as nature intended.

The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

Man, what an imagination ;o)

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[brettpaul]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.

The Sea Dweller is the most water tight and goes down to great depths. If you are physically capable of going down 4000 ft and need reminding of the date, this is the watch for you. It has a date function but no cyclops, which is good for looking cool but bad if you are short sighted. Also it is the most bulky of the 3 watches, so some people will think you must be someone important to wear such a big watch whilst others will think you are a poseur.

The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

The Sub Date is the most popular of the three because you can dive down to about 1000ft and easily read the date thanks to the Cyclops.

All three watches are truly tool watches and have a loyal following of devotees who can never make their mind up which one is the best.

I wear a Sub Date purely because it was a good deal when I bought it.

As regards to which one is the best, I would say that depends on how you use it and here you must be honest with yourself.

If you buy these expensive, highly water tight watches just to splash about in the pool or for the occasional snorkel dive, the Sub or Sub date is your best bet.

If you have the ability to remember what day it is, opt for the Sub, if you need to constantly look at the date, go for the Sub Date so you can see that it is the 28th when you are halfway to the bottom of the pool.

If you are a tough guy and one of the 0.00000001% who will be going down 4000 ft, then the Sea Dweller is the one for you.

Of course, if you actually do go down to 4000 ft, there is a good chance that you may be attacked by man eating sharks and if you are really unfortunate, you will also be eaten by the shark who will digest you and will shit you out as nature intended.

The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

Cheers Mick - I'm going to memorialise myself with the SD!!

[rph08]

I have both an SD4K, and a Submariner 14060m. I would say that the Sub is more comfortable, and certainly lighter (due in part to the older style bracelet). However, I'm wearing the SD now and certainly don't feel over burdened by it. If it's between these two/three watches, then I like the SD the best.

Of course this gentleman's advice is...

Originally Posted by Mick P

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

The
Best
Evar!!!

[DRKBC]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.

The Sea Dweller is the most water tight and goes down to great depths. If you are physically capable of going down 4000 ft and need reminding of the date, this is the watch for you. It has a date function but no cyclops, which is good for looking cool but bad if you are short sighted. Also it is the most bulky of the 3 watches, so some people will think you must be someone important to wear such a big watch whilst others will think you are a poseur.

The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

The Sub Date is the most popular of the three because you can dive down to about 1000ft and easily read the date thanks to the Cyclops.

All three watches are truly tool watches and have a loyal following of devotees who can never make their mind up which one is the best.

I wear a Sub Date purely because it was a good deal when I bought it.

As regards to which one is the best, I would say that depends on how you use it and here you must be honest with yourself.

If you buy these expensive, highly water tight watches just to splash about in the pool or for the occasional snorkel dive, the Sub or Sub date is your best bet.

If you have the ability to remember what day it is, opt for the Sub, if you need to constantly look at the date, go for the Sub Date so you can see that it is the 28th when you are halfway to the bottom of the pool.

If you are a tough guy and one of the 0.00000001% who will be going down 4000 ft, then the Sea Dweller is the one for you.

Of course, if you actually do go down to 4000 ft, there is a good chance that you may be attacked by man eating sharks and if you are really unfortunate, you will also be eaten by the shark who will digest you and will shit you out as nature intended.

The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

That was the best post I have read in months, maybe ever actually

[Robbyman]

Originally Posted by DRKBC

That was the best post I have read in months, maybe ever actually

You forgot to mention the fat and out or proportion lugs on the Subc which makes itself the SD a winner every time

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Robbyman

You forgot to mention the fat and out or proportion lugs on the Subc which makes itself the SD a winner every time

Disagree, and actually the fat lugs need to be on the SD, will make it far better balanced and less top heavy.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Mick P

Chaps

Sub v Sub Date v Sea Dweller, herewith are my humble comments that possibly state the obvious, however I do so in a spirit of helpfulness and counsel.

The Sea Dweller is the most water tight and goes down to great depths. If you are physically capable of going down 4000 ft and need reminding of the date, this is the watch for you. It has a date function but no cyclops, which is good for looking cool but bad if you are short sighted. Also it is the most bulky of the 3 watches, so some people will think you must be someone important to wear such a big watch whilst others will think you are a poseur.

The Sub is the coolest looking of the 3 watches and you can use it to dive down to about 1000 ft (depending on if its a recent model). When you are in the casino, women will drool over you because they can see you don't have to keep looking at the thing just to remind yourself what the date is. Women admire men who can remember the date.

The Sub Date is the most popular of the three because you can dive down to about 1000ft and easily read the date thanks to the Cyclops.

All three watches are truly tool watches and have a loyal following of devotees who can never make their mind up which one is the best.

I wear a Sub Date purely because it was a good deal when I bought it.

As regards to which one is the best, I would say that depends on how you use it and here you must be honest with yourself.

If you buy these expensive, highly water tight watches just to splash about in the pool or for the occasional snorkel dive, the Sub or Sub date is your best bet.

If you have the ability to remember what day it is, opt for the Sub, if you need to constantly look at the date, go for the Sub Date so you can see that it is the 28th when you are halfway to the bottom of the pool.

If you are a tough guy and one of the 0.00000001% who will be going down 4000 ft, then the Sea Dweller is the one for you.

Of course, if you actually do go down to 4000 ft, there is a good chance that you may be attacked by man eating sharks and if you are really unfortunate, you will also be eaten by the shark who will digest you and will shit you out as nature intended.

The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

LOL! X2

For me 114060

[DCheeta]

Originally Posted by Mick P

...The main advantage of the Sea Dweller now comes into its own. It will be shat out with you and will sink, intact and ticking, to the bottom of the ocean and will lie and remain water tight on the ocean floor, gently ticking away, thanks to the ocean currents, as an ever lasting memorial to you.

I hope that helps.

Regards

Mick

Although I've never met Mick in person, after reading his post I feel like we know each other. After all, when I was buying my Sea Dweller those were the EXACT thoughts going through my head. I even remarked to the salesman at the AD that I was happy to be paying a little extra for the SD, as I may someday become shark excrement and I could have every confidence that my watch would survive intact.

[fskywalker]

The main difference in appearance, as already said, is the cyclop, plus the fact the SD is a big thicker due to the He valve. SD only comes in SS while the Sub comes in many different styles (steel, 18k, combination) and bezel / dial colors.