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USALV · 14 March 2016, 07:40 AM

Hello everyone

I'm thinking about buying a new car. But I'm stuck between the 2016 Camry and the 2016 Es 350. I know that the Es 350 has a better warranty then the Camry and the gas mileage is a little close on both models. But the price is a little different. I'm just wondering if the 2016 Es 350 is worth the extra money. I currently have a 15 year Toyota Camry with 241,000 miles on it. It's about time to replace it.

superdog · 14 March 2016, 09:17 AM

Yes. Absolutely.

No question.

100%.

But only you can decide if it's worth it to you.

I love cars. For me, driving a Lexus vs a Toyota is not even a question.

Not to say Toyota is a bad car. It's not. It's a great car. But it is not a Lexus by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close.

Chewbacca · 14 March 2016, 09:31 AM

to me, they're both great commuter cars and mile eaters but the Camry XLE V6 with all options and a new Rolex or two is better than a ES350 on its own.

but you should drive the Nissan Maxima and Q50 from Infinity if japanese reliability and brisk driving are a consideration.

USALV · 14 March 2016, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

to me, they're both great commuter cars and mile eaters but the Camry XLE V6 with all options and a new Rolex or two is better than a ES350 on its own.

but you should drive the Nissan Maxima and Q50 from Infinity if japanese reliability and brisk driving are a consideration.

Thanks for tip

chucelli · 24 March 2016, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by superdog

Yes. Absolutely.

No question.

100%.

But only you can decide if it's worth it to you.

I love cars. For me, driving a Lexus vs a Toyota is not even a question.

Not to say Toyota is a bad car. It's not. It's a great car. But it is not a Lexus by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close.

You know that Lexus IS Toyota right?

And that the ES is built on the Camry platform.
They both use identical engines and transmissions There's not even any difference in tuning as they both have identical output.

In these two cases, the difference I see is going to be service and warranty.
Lexus dealerships have much a better service record than Toyota dealerships. You have to decide whether that is worth the extra change.

USALV · 31 March 2016, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chucelli

You know that Lexus IS Toyota right?

And that the ES is built on the Camry platform.
They both use identical engines and transmissions There's not even any difference in tuning as they both have identical output.

In these two cases, the difference I see is going to be service and warranty.
Lexus dealerships have much a better service record than Toyota dealerships. You have to decide whether that is worth the extra change.

Thank you
Yes I know that Lexus is Toyota. But since about 2013 the ES 350 is on the same platform as the Avalon.

kulak · 31 March 2016, 12:27 PM

They are all the Toyota K platform.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_K_platform

chucelli · 1 April 2016, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by USALV

Thank you
Yes I know that Lexus is Toyota. But since about 2013 the ES 350 is on the same platform as the Avalon.

USALV,

my tongue-in-cheek response was not directed at you.
It was a response to superdog's response: "Not to say Toyota is a bad car. It's not. It's a great car. But it is not a Lexus by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close."
sorry if you misunderstood :)

landroverking · 1 April 2016, 04:00 AM

While there some dealers that own both Toyota and Lexus, the Lexus dealers seam to be a cut above.
Most Toyota dealers can be a little shady IMO.

USALV · 25 April 2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chucelli

USALV,

my tongue-in-cheek response was not directed at you.
It was a response to superdog's response: "Not to say Toyota is a bad car. It's not. It's a great car. But it is not a Lexus by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close."
sorry if you misunderstood :)

Thank you for the clarification.

I wasn't offended. You're right the Camry isn't a Lexus.

imperio · 14 March 2016, 10:16 AM

Considering Camrys get face lifts a lot more often, I would go with the ES to avoid my covetousness when a new Camry gets released. Plus Lexus has designs that last a lot longer than Toyota does IMO.

Rock · 14 March 2016, 10:38 AM

Common sense dictates that the "best" vehicle to buy is 'the cheapest reliable vehicle that meets your needs'.
But that's not how we buy cars is it.
I would venture to say that most vehicles are bought predominantly with the heart rather than the head.
In the final analysis it should be about what you can afford. People with high disposable incomes can buy successive Rolls Royce and 'common sense' be damned.
At the moment I would buy the Camry - but if the economy ever recovers from the GFC I will probably buy the Lexus. It's all relative.

GB-man · 14 March 2016, 10:41 AM

How the hell did you put 241,000 miles on a 2015 camry?

Aside from that....Id say yes if you value service at the dealer and a quiet smooth ride.

imperio · 14 March 2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

How the hell did you put 241,000 miles on a 2015 camry?

Aside from that....Id say yes if you value service at the dealer and a quiet smooth ride.

Lol it's a 15 year old Camry, not a 2015 Camry. I re-read that sentence too.

USALV · 14 March 2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by imperio

Lol it's a 15 year old Camry, not a 2015 Camry. I re-read that sentence too.

lol. It's a 2000 Toyota Camry.

powerfunk · 14 March 2016, 10:53 AM

I thought the es350 was based on the Avalon now?

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Dyim · 14 March 2016, 11:29 AM

Interior fit and finish is definitely a step up from Camry.

You have to like the Lexus front end though.

Warranty should be the same?

You do pay more for Lexus service.

The price differential is what you have to figure out for yourself whether it is worth it or not. Basic Toyota vs premium Lexus.

You need to sit in and drive both.

USALV · 14 March 2016, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyim

Interior fit and finish is definitely a step up from Camry.

You have to like the Lexus front end though.

Warranty should be the same?

You do pay more for Lexus service.

The price differential is what you have to figure out for yourself whether it is worth it or not. Basic Toyota vs premium Lexus.

You need to sit in and drive both.

The Camry has a 36000 3 year warranty
Lexus has 50,000 4 or 5 year warranty

Dyim · 15 March 2016, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USALV

The Camry has a 36000 3 year warranty
Lexus has 50,000 4 or 5 year warranty

Nice.

I would go with Lexus then if you like the look, drive, interior.

USALV · 20 March 2016, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by powerfunk

I thought the es350 was based on the Avalon now?

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Yes, It is.

SDRider · 10 October 2017, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerfunk

I thought the es350 was based on the Avalon now?

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It is. The two cars aren’t really comparable. The Lexus ES is a much larger car and personally, I would recommend the Lexus as it is better equipped and more luxurious. Lexus service is top notch too.

Can’t go wrong with either one though.

Oops, didn’t realize this thread was more than a year old...

Dr. Robert · 14 March 2016, 12:54 PM

Buy the Toyota buya Rolex with the savings.....a Rolex will appreciate the automobile won't

GB-man · 15 March 2016, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Buy the Toyota buya Rolex with the savings.....a Rolex will appreciate the automobile won't

DR BOB FTW

kulak · 15 March 2016, 05:56 AM

They both share a lot in common:
- K platform
- 2GR-FE 3.5l V6 (which dates to 2004)
- Same 6speed auto transmission
- Both built in Kentucky

What's different
- ES350 has same wheelbase as the Avalon

The meet and potatoes of both cars are more or less the same. The choice boils down to warranty, looks, and option packages.

southcarolina1801 · 15 March 2016, 06:15 AM

Such a tough question. Just imagine if Tudor puts the 3130 movement in the Black Bay then we can ask the same question with a Sub vs Tudor Black Bay.

Having owned a Camry, they are fantastic cars (as is the ES). If brand/image isn't important I'd go for the XLE and buy another Rolex.

USALV · 18 March 2016, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southcarolina1801

Such a tough question. Just imagine if Tudor puts the 3130 movement in the Black Bay then we can ask the same question with a Sub vs Tudor Black Bay.

Having owned a Camry, they are fantastic cars (as is the ES). If brand/image isn't important I'd go for the XLE and buy another Rolex.

The brand Isn't important to me. It's just something about the Lexus ES 350. I just love that car. I still like the Camry but just not as much.

Rockrolex · 18 March 2016, 07:04 AM

We've been driving nothing but Lexus since 1991. Currently I have a 2002 SC430 (we live in an apartment that's one block from our Metro) and my wife has a 2014 LS 460. I would opt for the Lexus, but then I'm biased.

DeeTee · 16 March 2016, 01:00 AM

The Lexus if it's an option.
Just as reliable as the Camry with a much nicer interior/dash.
If your riding for another 250k, at least enjoy it.

USALV · 23 March 2016, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

The Lexus if it's an option.
Just as reliable as the Camry with a much nicer interior/dash.
If your riding for another 250k, at least enjoy it.

stockae92 · 16 March 2016, 05:45 AM

I would pick the Lexus if you have money left for a nice Rolex.

Otherwise I would pick the Toyota and use the saving for a nice Rolex

What I may do is to pick a less than 3 yr old certified pre-owned Lexus / Toyota / Acura / Honda / Nissan / Infiniti, enjoy the extended warranty, and use the saving to buy yet another Rolex :D

WIN-WIN :)

14 March 2016, 07:40 AM	#1
USALV "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: USA Posts: 777	2016 Toyota Camry XLE vs 2016 Lexus ES 350 is the Es 350 worth the extra money? Hello everyone I'm thinking about buying a new car. But I'm stuck between the 2016 Camry and the 2016 Es 350. I know that the Es 350 has a better warranty then the Camry and the gas mileage is a little close on both models. But the price is a little different. I'm just wondering if the 2016 Es 350 is worth the extra money. I currently have a 15 year Toyota Camry with 241,000 miles on it. It's about time to replace it.

14 March 2016, 09:17 AM	#2
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	Yes. Absolutely. No question. 100%. But only you can decide if it's worth it to you. I love cars. For me, driving a Lexus vs a Toyota is not even a question. Not to say Toyota is a bad car. It's not. It's a great car. But it is not a Lexus by any stretch of the imagination. Not even close. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

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imperio "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: this space Posts: 1,867	Considering Camrys get face lifts a lot more often, I would go with the ES to avoid my covetousness when a new Camry gets released. Plus Lexus has designs that last a lot longer than Toyota does IMO. __________________

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Rock 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rocky Location: Australia Watch: Grail:Bluesy Posts: 17,850	Common sense dictates that the "best" vehicle to buy is 'the cheapest reliable vehicle that meets your needs'. But that's not how we buy cars is it. I would venture to say that most vehicles are bought predominantly with the heart rather than the head. In the final analysis it should be about what you can afford. People with high disposable incomes can buy successive Rolls Royce and 'common sense' be damned. At the moment I would buy the Camry - but if the economy ever recovers from the GFC I will probably buy the Lexus. It's all relative. __________________ Cellini 4112. Sub 14060M. DJ 16233. Rotherhams 1847 Pocket-watch. Foundation Member of 'Horologists Anonymous' "Hi, I'm Rocky, and I'm a Horologist..."

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Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	to me, they're both great commuter cars and mile eaters but the Camry XLE V6 with all options and a new Rolex or two is better than a ES350 on its own. but you should drive the Nissan Maxima and Q50 from Infinity if japanese reliability and brisk driving are a consideration.

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kulak "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 245	They are all the Toyota K platform. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_K_platform

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landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	While there some dealers that own both Toyota and Lexus, the Lexus dealers seam to be a cut above. Most Toyota dealers can be a little shady IMO.

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GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	How the hell did you put 241,000 miles on a 2015 camry? Aside from that....Id say yes if you value service at the dealer and a quiet smooth ride.

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powerfunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Rob Location: Boston, MA Watch: 1530 Posts: 3,799	I thought the es350 was based on the Avalon now? Sent from my 0PM92 using Tapatalk

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Dyim "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 2,237	Interior fit and finish is definitely a step up from Camry. You have to like the Lexus front end though. Warranty should be the same? You do pay more for Lexus service. The price differential is what you have to figure out for yourself whether it is worth it or not. Basic Toyota vs premium Lexus. You need to sit in and drive both.

15 March 2016, 05:56 AM	#24
kulak "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 245	They both share a lot in common: - K platform - 2GR-FE 3.5l V6 (which dates to 2004) - Same 6speed auto transmission - Both built in Kentucky What's different - ES350 has same wheelbase as the Avalon The meet and potatoes of both cars are more or less the same. The choice boils down to warranty, looks, and option packages.

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southcarolina1801 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Peach State Posts: 735	Such a tough question. Just imagine if Tudor puts the 3130 movement in the Black Bay then we can ask the same question with a Sub vs Tudor Black Bay. Having owned a Camry, they are fantastic cars (as is the ES). If brand/image isn't important I'd go for the XLE and buy another Rolex.

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Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,970	We've been driving nothing but Lexus since 1991. Currently I have a 2002 SC430 (we live in an apartment that's one block from our Metro) and my wife has a 2014 LS 460. I would opt for the Lexus, but then I'm biased. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

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DeeTee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Los Angeles Watch: Netflix Posts: 3,978	The Lexus if it's an option. Just as reliable as the Camry with a much nicer interior/dash. If your riding for another 250k, at least enjoy it.

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stockae92 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 4,964	I would pick the Lexus if you have money left for a nice Rolex. Otherwise I would pick the Toyota and use the saving for a nice Rolex What I may do is to pick a less than 3 yr old certified pre-owned Lexus / Toyota / Acura / Honda / Nissan / Infiniti, enjoy the extended warranty, and use the saving to buy yet another Rolex :D WIN-WIN :) __________________ 135 ├┼┼╕ 246 R

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