First Rolex Advice

[Joemannnnn]

Hey Guys, I've always admired Rolex watches. I prefer the Submariner and Seadweller models. I've had a Invicta 9937 for years and still love the look and feel.

I'll admit that I still struggle with the idea of buying one. I have the means, but at the same time don't want to come off as snobbish with friends, neighbors, coworkers, and even family. I also get nervous about going around wearing something so expensive, God forbid something happened.

If I take the plunge, I've been leaning towards a 5 digit model, preference would be a Sea Dweller, then Sub date, then Sub no date. I'd be interested in any thoughts and opinions on these models, where to look, what ballpark range I may be in with regards to price, etc.

I'm hoping to find a nice used one and to stay in the low 4's. Am I making a mistake going 5 digit? I've done a lot of research and have found some "dealers" claiming the 5 digit models are inferior to a 6 digit model. I just don't think I want to spend that kind of money.

I'd appreciate any thoughts and input on all this, thanks in advance

[RolexPete]

Go with the 5 digit models...16660 and 16600. Should be able to get a nice example for the $5,000 neighborhood.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Joemannnnn

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. . Am I making a mistake going 5 digit? I've done a lot of research and have found some "dealers" claiming the 5 digit models are inferior to a 6 digit model. I just don't think I want to spend that kind of money.

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"Inferior" in what way ??? I call BS on this idea...


It's people who come off snobbish, not watches.

[Joemannnnn]

Originally Posted by Tools

"Inferior" in what way ??? I call BS on this idea...


It's people who come off snobbish, not watches.

Ha, I had to go back and try to find the source. I did some google fu and found a bunch of articles. Turns out this came from reddit watch section, so of course I guess it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Thread started was interested in a 16610LV and got this response:

"Is there a reason you're going vintage? The models you've listed are really inferior to new models due to the materials used to make them. In particular, the new models have ceramic bezels, way more robust bracelets, and improved movements (everything from lubricants to hairsprings).

I handle new and older Rolex Submariners every day and there is simply no comparison between ones from 10 years ago and new ones. Once you really spend some time with the new ones, the older ones will always feel and look cheap to you.

My professional opinion is that I never ever recommend a vintage Rolex over a new model unless it's something Rolex doesn't make anymore (for example, the Red/Black GMT. Rolex doesn't make it now, so if you want one you have to go preowned). The quality of the new references just blows vintage out of the water.

There's also the servicing costs to consider. Rolex recommends servicing only every 7-8 years on new models, compared to 3-5 years for vintage pieces (depending on when they were made). This can really add up over time, if you're planning to hang on to your watch."

Thread for those interested in source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/com...y_first_watch/

[GDOG]

Originally Posted by Joemannnnn

Ha, I had to go back and try to find the source. I did some google fu and found a bunch of articles. Turns out this came from reddit watch section, so of course I guess it needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Thread started was interested in a 16610LV and got this response:

"Is there a reason you're going vintage? The models you've listed are really inferior to new models due to the materials used to make them. In particular, the new models have ceramic bezels, way more robust bracelets, and improved movements (everything from lubricants to hairsprings).

I handle new and older Rolex Submariners every day and there is simply no comparison between ones from 10 years ago and new ones. Once you really spend some time with the new ones, the older ones will always feel and look cheap to you.

My professional opinion is that I never ever recommend a vintage Rolex over a new model unless it's something Rolex doesn't make anymore (for example, the Red/Black GMT. Rolex doesn't make it now, so if you want one you have to go preowned). The quality of the new references just blows vintage out of the water.

There's also the servicing costs to consider. Rolex recommends servicing only every 7-8 years on new models, compared to 3-5 years for vintage pieces (depending on when they were made). This can really add up over time, if you're planning to hang on to your watch."

Thread for those interested in source:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/com...y_first_watch/

I tend to agree with this guys opinion. I think the newer versions are "better". Someone brought up the car analogy to which I can relate. I'm a Porsche guy and think the older versions are purer and more beautiful-but after driving the newer models I can't go back.

[cht]

Originally Posted by Tools

It's people who come off snobbish, not watches.

Well said.


enjoy the 5 digits, they are great tool watches.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by cht

they are great tool watches.

What if doesn't dive?

OP I think you will love any Rolex you get 5 or 6 digit. Nobody will notice what you're wearing including friends. Well WIS will but that's cool. Good luck.

[mjclark32]

Love my 16610. Don't worry about friends, they won't notice. And those that do will want one too. About three years after getting mine my buddy asked me to help him out with buying one.
Paid $5,000 for it and could have gotten the 116610 for ~$7,000, at the time I was 25 and just bought an engagement ring so an extra $2,000 for the upgrades weren't worth it to me.
To this day I don't really regret it.
Best of luck!

[Joemannnnn]

Thanks guys. Is there anything to look out for when shopping for 5 digit models? Any years to look for or avoid? I've been trying to focus on newer ones simply to keep as young as possible.

Is chrono24 good to go?

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Joemannnnn

Is chrono24 good to go?

It depends on who you were dealing with. Crono literally has hundreds and hundreds of people posting ads there. Try a trusted seller here first. That's what I would do if I were you.

[roadcarver]

I still have my D serial 16610 and still works like a champ. It's my daily driver.

[yannis]

Six digit ceramic models look better imho plus they have updated bracelets. Try your options on your wrist and you will know if 2k more is justifiable.

[Joemannnnn]

Originally Posted by yannis7777

Six digit ceramic models look better imho plus they have updated bracelets. Try your options on your wrist and you will know if 2k more is justifiable.

I will certainly try on both models. I guess if I liked the 6 digit, I'd probably stick with the Sub C ND

[joli160]

Originally Posted by Joemannnnn

I will certainly try on both models. I guess if I liked the 6 digit, I'd probably stick with the Sub C ND

That makes sense as they wear completely different and really do that. For me 6 > 5 digit by a landslide.
It's really not the watch who makes you a snob, buy it and enjoy it if you want it that much. Have perhaps a look at the GMT if the Explorer is not for you. I like the extra hand and find the bezel more in balance. Just my 2C.
The Sub of course is mighty fine as well. Succes, nice dilemma

[herts9]

you really can't go wrong with either of what you're looking at. my sentiment is to go with a 16610 or 14060. it's all about taste and preference, in that you'll never win an argument with those that love ceramic vs those that love the metal. I opted for the 14060 over the 114060. the subc felt bulky, even though it's newer and updated (movement/bracelet), it wasn't for me. the 14060 still commands presence.

after reading a bunch on here, one thing that I always took away from the veterans and respected members, is that you should buy the watch for YOU...not how you'll think it will appear/appeal to others. it's like fine art or classical music. it should speak to you before you care about all else.

also, reddit is full of fools. I think the word "inferior" was the wrong word. is a '67 corvette 'inferior' to a 2016? hardly. each has their own particular nuances of beauty.

good luck in your search. the journey is part of the happiness when what you decide on is finally on your wrist.

[Joemannnnn]

Originally Posted by herts9

you really can't go wrong with either of what you're looking at. my sentiment is to go with a 16610 or 14060. it's all about taste and preference, in that you'll never win an argument with those that love ceramic vs those that love the metal. I opted for the 14060 over the 114060. the subc felt bulky, even though it's newer and updated (movement/bracelet), it wasn't for me. the 14060 still commands presence.

after reading a bunch on here, one thing that I always took away from the veterans and respected members, is that you should buy the watch for YOU...not how you'll think it will appear/appeal to others. it's like fine art or classical music. it should speak to you before you care about all else.

also, reddit is full of fools. I think the word "inferior" was the wrong word. is a '67 corvette 'inferior' to a 2016? hardly. each has their own particular nuances of beauty.

good luck in your search. the journey is part of the happiness when what you decide on is finally on your wrist.

Great input, thanks! It's funny, I've never even handled a Rolex yet. So I can't necessarily argue which I like better, 5 vs. 6 digit. I can say I like different things about both. I do like the idea of the new bracelet, and I love the blue lume on the new models. However, I think I like the more classic look without the maxi dial on the 5 digits. I gotta try and find a shop that may have both and go see first hand.

[Jim Smyth]

Originally Posted by Joemannnnn

Great input, thanks! It's funny, I've never even handled a Rolex yet. So I can't necessarily argue which I like better, 5 vs. 6 digit. I can say I like different things about both. I do like the idea of the new bracelet, and I love the blue lume on the new models. However, I think I like the more classic look without the maxi dial on the 5 digits. I gotta try and find a shop that may have both and go see first hand.

You really need to go see them in person first. Until you do its all speculation and a particular watch will talk to you once its on your wrist.

[uncufunc]

With that budget, have you considered a 40mm EXP2? You could also get a 6-digit EXP1 for that price range. Just a few thoughts

[Joemannnnn]

Originally Posted by uncufunc

With that budget, have you considered a 40mm EXP2? You could also get a 6-digit EXP1 for that price range. Just a few thoughts

I do like both explorer models and agree they are better for my budget. My problem is I've always wanted a sub and the explorer I don't think would cut it. I'm gonna try and try some on, I hate doing that knowing I most likely won't buy in the store, but I definitely need to try some on.

[Etschell]

id get a 6 digit. that's just me.

[AK797]

6 over 5 if you can handle the shape.

[Porter]

16600...the best!!
Mine...

[brace786]

i would go with the 6 digits, but try them on and see which one fits best

[droptopman]

I am a vintage guy so 4 or 5 digits for me. Can't argue that the 6 digit has technological advancements and I do like the look and function of them, but prefer the thinner case profiles of the older Subs.
Reach out to some of the trusted sellers here. Best option IMHO.

[climbwithahelmet]

I prefer the newer models myself. The convenience of the newer models (ceramic, service intervals, micro bracelet adjustments, extended warranty, etc.) are all creature comforts that are important to me.

[J Scott]

"Hey, Joe"

Sometimes when we can answer the "why" it helps simplify our decision process.

So, from post #1: Why have you always admired Rolex watches, Why do you prefer Sub and SD models? No need to publicly answer these questions, but it might help if you answered them for you.

Tools nailed it re: snobbish. Maybe if you are truly concerned about what others think (you shouldn't btw) then by all means consider a Rolex that matches your personality: Bold/Expressive might lend itself to a particular watch or watches, then same goes for supportive and technical personalities, etc. At the end of the day, it's your life, so live it.

Let us know what you decide.

Best,

Scott

[ilovewatchestoo]

Get something cause you want it. If it's not a money concern then your friends or family should congratulate you for being able to afford a luxury Swiss watch, a Rolex. If spending 7k is uncomfortable, which is understandable, it is just a watch, although an amazing perfect watch, get a used 14060 from a trusted seller on here. Or there are reputable store fronts with used inventory. The 114060 is more blingy due to the ceramic bezel and will "show" more. For that it think 14060 is for you and it is not inferior to the new ceramic version. Just as awesome in its own style.

[brandrea]

You'll have to see them in person before you can make a final decision.

I started out thinking only 6 digit references were the way to go. Then I saw a 4 digit and succumbed to the dark side of vintage.

Now I love both and I'm totally screwed

[tomallen]

I think the new bracelets are much nicer but maybe not an improvement. Think the ceramic bezel is an improvement, The lume is a definite improvement, but you can find a late five digit watch with it. As far as the two watches themselves properly maintained each will last a lifetime. Buying an older five digit watch you have to take into consideration, does it need service, has it been serviced, has it been serviced with Rolex parts. You can find a late NIB, stickers on, full set five digit Sub, they are out there, but you will pay the same if not more than a current Sub.

[Joemannnnn]

Originally Posted by tomallen

I think the new bracelets are much nicer but maybe not an improvement. Think the ceramic bezel is an improvement, The lume is a definite improvement, but you can find a late five digit watch with it. As far as the two watches themselves properly maintained each will last a lifetime. Buying an older five digit watch you have to take into consideration, does it need service, has it been serviced, has it been serviced with Rolex parts. You can find a late NIB, stickers on, full set five digit Sub, they are out there, but you will pay the same if not more than a current Sub.

I have seen the e engraved rehaut on newer 5 digit models. Do they have the blue lume like the ceramic too?