Omega "Planet Ocean" Sinking Ship????

[Mac]

Hi Guys!

Now I've got my brand new Sea-dweller I've started getting those familiar feelings (not to be confused with flatulence!) that precede the new watch "itch".
Anyhoo I think I will start saving for an addition to my watch collection. I have always liked the Planet Ocean and have recently handled a few at AD's.
I actually liked the "Orange" 42mm version despite myself & my preconceived notion that I wouldn't!!! It looked much better in the flesh.
However...It seems sometimes when I browse through the threads that the PO is not a particularly popular watch! Is this the case and if so why not? I also see a lot of instances where PO owners are getting rid of them in favour of other makes or models? Why is this?
When I handled a PO it seemed very very well made and in some ways better finished than my Sea-dweller! and defiantly more comfortable. The bracelet & clasp of course are much better (IMHO) than the Rolex and I know how comfortable they are from when I owned a SMP "Bond" chronometer few years ago.
I also saw on a thread that someone mentioned that "The orange wore off" !!!! surely not? Or did he mean that the novelty of the orange colour wore off?
Anyhoo any comments and especially pics of the PO both black & orange would be welcome. I would however get the smaller 42mm version as the 45mm would be too big for my girly wrists!!!
Bring it on boys!!!

[C.J.]

Omegas are great watches (IMHO), Mac. I have a SMP chrono diver and I love it You know what they say, if it smiles at you, grab it. But keep in mind, they have a terrible resale value

Also, you may want to consider placing a warning in the forum for this thread. If Ed, (rockrolex) opens this and see's multiple photos of ORANGE watches, he may very well, go into an instant state of shock

[Goodwatch]

There's nothing wrong with the PO. It has all the right papers: chronometer, escape valve, good finish, good maker. The orange variety is even a nice change from the usual black guise. If you intend to keep the watch, the resale value is of little importance. Asking for pictures will trigger JJ, to the mal content of several other forum members

[mailman]

Hey Mac. Listen to the pros and cons posted above. They're both sound pieces of advice. The best I can tell you, is don't post any orange pics without warning Ed first. At his age, he can't handle much more of them.

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Mac

Hi Guys!

Now I've got my brand new Sea-dweller I've started getting those familiar feelings (not to be confused with flatulence!) that precede the new watch "itch".
Anyhoo I think I will start saving for an addition to my watch collection. I have always liked the Planet Ocean and have recently handled a few at AD's.
I actually liked the "Orange" 42mm version despite myself & my preconceived notion that I wouldn't!!! It looked much better in the flesh.
However...It seems sometimes when I browse through the threads that the PO is not a particularly popular watch! Is this the case and if so why not? I also see a lot of instances where PO owners are getting rid of them in favour of other makes or models? Why is this?
When I handled a PO it seemed very very well made and in some ways better finished than my Sea-dweller! and defiantly more comfortable. The bracelet & clasp of course are much better (IMHO) than the Rolex and I know how comfortable they are from when I owned a SMP "Bond" chronometer few years ago.
I also saw on a thread that someone mentioned that "The orange wore off" !!!! surely not? Or did he mean that the novelty of the orange colour wore off?
Anyhoo any comments and especially pics of the PO both black & orange would be welcome. I would however get the smaller 42mm version as the 45mm would be too big for my girly wrists!!!
Bring it on boys!!!

Mac, the whole brouhaha over the orange PO comes from the fact that

I HATE IT!!!

I may not be the only one, but I have been the most vocal about it. I have nothing against the black bezel PO. That's a fine looking watch. It's jsut that orange color that drives me up a tree. If you want to get an orange PO, by all means do so. Just please don't post pics of it. I've seen too many pics of that thing to last a lifetime.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

Mac, the whole brouhaha over the orange PO comes from the fact that

I HATE IT!!!

I may not be the only one, but I have been the most vocal about it. I have nothing against the black bezel PO. That's a fine looking watch. It's jsut that orange color that drives me up a tree. If you want to get an orange PO, by all means do so. Just please don't post pics of it. I've seen too many pics of that thing to last a lifetime.

That's your cue JJ

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by mailman

That's your cue JJ

Do you really want to get banned, Paul?

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

Do you really want to get banned, Paul?

I'm not afraid of you

[Launch Mini]

I think that Orange one was made just for our friend Fransie??
Orange is his national colour

[JJ Irani]

Hi Mac,

In all fairness to OMEGA, the PO is a well made and solidly constructed watch with their new Co-axial movement. I had the orange PO, but after a while it stopped smiling at me and I got rid of it in favour of a much better watch - the Exp-II (which is also gone now in favour of the ultimate Rolex....but that's another story!! )

Anyway, back to the PO. The black bezel is also very attractive, but you must be sure that this is the watch you like. If you change your mind a few weeks or even a few months down the line, then be prepared to take a hit on the watch. I took a $500 hit on it when I tried to sell it just 3½ months after very careful and scratch-free use.

The other option is to wait a while and get yourself a GMT-II or an Exp-II by coming up with some extra cash. It will be worth it in the end. You already have the classic diver's watch - the SD. Why not compliment it with a Rolex with the superb 3185 (dual timezone) movement feature and that gorgeous RED 24-hour hand? Just a thought!!

Good luck in your final decision.

JJ

[Mac]

thanks for the feedback so far guys!

Sorry about the "Orange" thing but I stand by what I said in that I did quiet like it in the flesh! It just seemed to look good on my wrist. I do also like the black "classic" look also and would have to think long and hard before pulling the trigger on either.

One thing I still do not understand though is why so many (it seems) people are swapping them so soon after getting them? They can't ALL have made a terrible mistake surely?

Re-sale is not really an issue for me as I always buy watches that I want to wear. i.e I will never sell my SD as it is a watch that will never date and I know I'll always love! The PO if I did buy one in the future would be the same.
The Orange is a different look to my SD where as the black (nice as it is and would usually be my 1st choice) is too similar to the SD.

As for another Rolex, well I love the GMT11's but to be honest don't forsee me being able to afford or justify another £2,600 watch. Where as the Omega's are available for good discounts i.e without even haggling the AD offered the PO for £1,500 and I reckon I'd get one even cheaper if I shopped around! So it is more affordable and easier to justify to Mrs Mac!!!

Cheers Guys

[Goodwatch]

Originally Posted by Launch Mini

I think that Orange one was made just for our friend Fransie??
Orange is his national colour

Yes, my learned friend, it is! And here is why:

Prince of Orange is a title of nobility, originally associated with the principality of Orange in southern France. It may be carried by members of the House of Orange-Nassau and the House of Hohenzollern, and is currently carried by Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands (Orange-Nassau) and Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia (Hohenzollern).
The title originally referred to the sovereign principality of Orange in the valley of Rhone in southern France, which was a property of the House of Orange (and from 1544 of the House of Orange-Nassau). Because Orange was a fief in the Holy Roman Empire, in its Kingdom of Burgundy, the title contained feudal rights and that sovereignty which German principalities came to enjoy. The last descendant of original princes, René of Nassau, left the principality to his cousin William the Silent, who was not of the descent of original Orange family. In 1673, Louis XIV of France annexed all territory of the principality as part of the war actions against the Stadtholder William III of Orange (d.1702 - who later became king William III of England and Scotland).
Because William III died without legitimate children, the principality was regarded as having been inherited by his closest cognatic relative, Frederick of Prussia, who ceded the principality (at least the lands, but not formally the title) to France in 1713 (France supported his claim, of course). In this way the territory of the principality lost its feudal and secular privileges and became a part of France. The title remains in the Hohenzollern royal family (who reigned in Prussia until 1918) and could be used even today by them; it was also bestowed by the French king upon Louis de Mailly, whose family still holds the title today.
An agnatic relative of William III, John Willem Friso of Nassau, who also by female line descended from William the Silent, was designated the heir to the princes of Orange in the Netherlands, by the last will of William III, and several of his descendants became Stadtholders. They claimed the principality of Orange on the basis of agnatic inheritance (similar to that of William the Silent inheriting from his cousin René, though not being a descendant of original princes of Orange), and also on basis of the testament of William III. France never allowed them to obtain anything of the principality itself (located in southern France), but they nevertheless assumed the title. From that derivation of the title comes the tradition of later Stadtholders of the Netherlands, and the present-day royal family of the Netherlands, also holding this title.

William the Silent, first Stadtholder of the United Provinces (better known as the Dutch Republic) was the most significant representative of the House of Orange within the Netherlands. He, originally a count of a small German county, portion of Nassau and heir of his father's some fiefs in Holland, obtained more extensive lands in the Netherlands (lordship of Breda and several other dependencies) as an inheritance from his cousin René, Prince of Orange, when 11 years old. After William's assassination in 1584, the title and position passed down firstly to his son Philip (who was Catholic and was imprisoned for a long time), then to second son Maurice, who later passed it on to the youngest brother, Frederick Henry.
The title of Prince of Orange became soon practically synonymous with the Stadtholder of the Netherlands.
William III was also King of Great Britain and Ireland and his legacy is commemorated annually by the Protestant Orange Order.

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Yes, my learned friend, it is! And here is why:

Prince of Orange is a title of nobility, originally associated with the principality of Orange in southern France. It may be carried by members of the House of Orange-Nassau and the House of Hohenzollern, and is currently carried by Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands (Orange-Nassau) and Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia (Hohenzollern).
The title originally referred to the sovereign principality of Orange in the valley of Rhone in southern France, which was a property of the House of Orange (and from 1544 of the House of Orange-Nassau). Because Orange was a fief in the Holy Roman Empire, in its Kingdom of Burgundy, the title contained feudal rights and that sovereignty which German principalities came to enjoy. The last descendant of original princes, René of Nassau, left the principality to his cousin William the Silent, who was not of the descent of original Orange family. In 1673, Louis XIV of France annexed all territory of the principality as part of the war actions against the Stadtholder William III of Orange (d.1702 - who later became king William III of England and Scotland).
Because William III died without legitimate children, the principality was regarded as having been inherited by his closest cognatic relative, Frederick of Prussia, who ceded the principality (at least the lands, but not formally the title) to France in 1713 (France supported his claim, of course). In this way the territory of the principality lost its feudal and secular privileges and became a part of France. The title remains in the Hohenzollern royal family (who reigned in Prussia until 1918) and could be used even today by them; it was also bestowed by the French king upon Louis de Mailly, whose family still holds the title today.
An agnatic relative of William III, John Willem Friso of Nassau, who also by female line descended from William the Silent, was designated the heir to the princes of Orange in the Netherlands, by the last will of William III, and several of his descendants became Stadtholders. They claimed the principality of Orange on the basis of agnatic inheritance (similar to that of William the Silent inheriting from his cousin René, though not being a descendant of original princes of Orange), and also on basis of the testament of William III. France never allowed them to obtain anything of the principality itself (located in southern France), but they nevertheless assumed the title. From that derivation of the title comes the tradition of later Stadtholders of the Netherlands, and the present-day royal family of the Netherlands, also holding this title.

William the Silent, first Stadtholder of the United Provinces (better known as the Dutch Republic) was the most significant representative of the House of Orange within the Netherlands. He, originally a count of a small German county, portion of Nassau and heir of his father's some fiefs in Holland, obtained more extensive lands in the Netherlands (lordship of Breda and several other dependencies) as an inheritance from his cousin René, Prince of Orange, when 11 years old. After William's assassination in 1584, the title and position passed down firstly to his son Philip (who was Catholic and was imprisoned for a long time), then to second son Maurice, who later passed it on to the youngest brother, Frederick Henry.
The title of Prince of Orange became soon practically synonymous with the Stadtholder of the Netherlands.
William III was also King of Great Britain and Ireland and his legacy is commemorated annually by the Protestant Orange Order.

So why can't you be more like William the Silent, Frans?

[C.J.]

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Yes, my learned friend, it is! And here is why:

Prince of Orange is a title of nobility, originally associated with the principality of Orange in southern France. It may be carried by members of the House of Orange-Nassau and the House of Hohenzollern, and is currently carried by Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands (Orange-Nassau) and Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia (Hohenzollern).
The title originally referred to the sovereign principality of Orange in the valley of Rhone in southern France, which was a property of the House of Orange (and from 1544 of the House of Orange-Nassau). Because Orange was a fief in the Holy Roman Empire, in its Kingdom of Burgundy, the title contained feudal rights and that sovereignty which German principalities came to enjoy. The last descendant of original princes, René of Nassau, left the principality to his cousin William the Silent, who was not of the descent of original Orange family. In 1673, Louis XIV of France annexed all territory of the principality as part of the war actions against the Stadtholder William III of Orange (d.1702 - who later became king William III of England and Scotland).
Because William III died without legitimate children, the principality was regarded as having been inherited by his closest cognatic relative, Frederick of Prussia, who ceded the principality (at least the lands, but not formally the title) to France in 1713 (France supported his claim, of course). In this way the territory of the principality lost its feudal and secular privileges and became a part of France. The title remains in the Hohenzollern royal family (who reigned in Prussia until 1918) and could be used even today by them; it was also bestowed by the French king upon Louis de Mailly, whose family still holds the title today.
An agnatic relative of William III, John Willem Friso of Nassau, who also by female line descended from William the Silent, was designated the heir to the princes of Orange in the Netherlands, by the last will of William III, and several of his descendants became Stadtholders. They claimed the principality of Orange on the basis of agnatic inheritance (similar to that of William the Silent inheriting from his cousin René, though not being a descendant of original princes of Orange), and also on basis of the testament of William III. France never allowed them to obtain anything of the principality itself (located in southern France), but they nevertheless assumed the title. From that derivation of the title comes the tradition of later Stadtholders of the Netherlands, and the present-day royal family of the Netherlands, also holding this title.

William the Silent, first Stadtholder of the United Provinces (better known as the Dutch Republic) was the most significant representative of the House of Orange within the Netherlands. He, originally a count of a small German county, portion of Nassau and heir of his father's some fiefs in Holland, obtained more extensive lands in the Netherlands (lordship of Breda and several other dependencies) as an inheritance from his cousin René, Prince of Orange, when 11 years old. After William's assassination in 1584, the title and position passed down firstly to his son Philip (who was Catholic and was imprisoned for a long time), then to second son Maurice, who later passed it on to the youngest brother, Frederick Henry.
The title of Prince of Orange became soon practically synonymous with the Stadtholder of the Netherlands.
William III was also King of Great Britain and Ireland and his legacy is commemorated annually by the Protestant Orange Order.

A little bored today, Frans ?

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Yes, my learned friend, it is! And here is why:

Prince of Orange is a title of nobility, originally associated with the principality of Orange in southern France. It may be carried by members of the House of Orange-Nassau and the House of Hohenzollern, and is currently carried by Prince Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands (Orange-Nassau) and Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia (Hohenzollern).
The title originally referred to the sovereign principality of Orange in the valley of Rhone in southern France, which was a property of the House of Orange (and from 1544 of the House of Orange-Nassau). Because Orange was a fief in the Holy Roman Empire, in its Kingdom of Burgundy, the title contained feudal rights and that sovereignty which German principalities came to enjoy. The last descendant of original princes, René of Nassau, left the principality to his cousin William the Silent, who was not of the descent of original Orange family. In 1673, Louis XIV of France annexed all territory of the principality as part of the war actions against the Stadtholder William III of Orange (d.1702 - who later became king William III of England and Scotland).
Because William III died without legitimate children, the principality was regarded as having been inherited by his closest cognatic relative, Frederick of Prussia, who ceded the principality (at least the lands, but not formally the title) to France in 1713 (France supported his claim, of course). In this way the territory of the principality lost its feudal and secular privileges and became a part of France. The title remains in the Hohenzollern royal family (who reigned in Prussia until 1918) and could be used even today by them; it was also bestowed by the French king upon Louis de Mailly, whose family still holds the title today.
An agnatic relative of William III, John Willem Friso of Nassau, who also by female line descended from William the Silent, was designated the heir to the princes of Orange in the Netherlands, by the last will of William III, and several of his descendants became Stadtholders. They claimed the principality of Orange on the basis of agnatic inheritance (similar to that of William the Silent inheriting from his cousin René, though not being a descendant of original princes of Orange), and also on basis of the testament of William III. France never allowed them to obtain anything of the principality itself (located in southern France), but they nevertheless assumed the title. From that derivation of the title comes the tradition of later Stadtholders of the Netherlands, and the present-day royal family of the Netherlands, also holding this title.

William the Silent, first Stadtholder of the United Provinces (better known as the Dutch Republic) was the most significant representative of the House of Orange within the Netherlands. He, originally a count of a small German county, portion of Nassau and heir of his father's some fiefs in Holland, obtained more extensive lands in the Netherlands (lordship of Breda and several other dependencies) as an inheritance from his cousin René, Prince of Orange, when 11 years old. After William's assassination in 1584, the title and position passed down firstly to his son Philip (who was Catholic and was imprisoned for a long time), then to second son Maurice, who later passed it on to the youngest brother, Frederick Henry.
The title of Prince of Orange became soon practically synonymous with the Stadtholder of the Netherlands.
William III was also King of Great Britain and Ireland and his legacy is commemorated annually by the Protestant Orange Order.

Thanks for the history lesson Frans. It's quite interesting

[padi56]

Well myself a big fan of the orange PO great looking,accurate well built watch

[delldeaton]

Originally Posted by Mac

Hi Guys!

...I have always liked the Planet Ocean and have recently handled a few at AD's ... I actually liked the "Orange" 42mm version despite myself & my preconceived notion that I wouldn't!!! ... However...It seems sometimes when I browse through the threads that the PO is not a particularly popular watch! Is this the case and if so why not? I also see a lot of instances where PO owners are getting rid of them in favour of other makes or models? Why is this? ... I also saw on a thread that someone mentioned that "The orange wore off" !!!! surely not? Or did he mean that the novelty of the orange colour wore off? ...

First time Post here for me -- having just bought a new Sub no-date after rejecting the Planet Ocean. So I'm hoping these comments will be helpful.

Never heard of the "orange" wearing off this watch, but you do want to be aware that the outer surface of the sapphire crystal is treated w/ anti-reflective coating, just like the inner surfaces (only) of my Rolex, the Bond Omega Seamaster 2531.80, et cetera. Thus, the Planet Ocean is reputed to be terribly subject to scratching, and there's even a cottage industry of sorts for people who are having it chemically removed.

Second, I believe that the so-called co-axial movement is more of a modified 1120 caliber (which, itself, is a modified ETA 2892-A2 caliber) movement. So there is a question regarding claims of 10-year servicing (of which none have been in the field more than five).

[RobDad]

Didn't think the Rolex crystals were treated with an anti-reflective coating at all (wish they were on the inside!) - am I right guys? my old Seamaster certainly reflected far less than my 16610

[delldeaton]

Originally Posted by RobDad

Didn't think the Rolex crystals were treated with an anti-reflective coating at all (wish they were on the inside!) - am I right guys? my old Seamaster certainly reflected far less than my 16610

Yikes!

Don't want to make assumptions, so ditto this question for my 14060M. When I bought this watch, I was wearing my Omega Seamaster 2531.80 and the Rolex AD specifically told me that my new Rolex Sub had an anti-reflective coating on the under side of the crystal, just like my 2531.80 - but not on the outside surface, like the Planet Ocean.

So referral to more authoritative technical and performance information would be very much appreciated here!

[Mac]

Dell, thanks for your input here, however I would have to agree with RobDad! The Rolex crystals are not as far as I know treated with any anti-reflective coating at all!
Just compare the reflections with the Omega's and you will see. Your AD was either wrong or fibbing! I'm sure it was simply an honest mistake though. It is only since I've been on these forums and learning so much that I've come to realise just how much WE know more than your average AD!!! It's true!!! Of course there will be AD's who really know their stuff but for most it tends to be limited to marketing info etc rather than any real in depth knowledge of the watches.
Even I can talk rings round my AD when it comes to tecky stuff and I'm a eral novice compared to most guys on this forum!!! "Scary eh???"

Mac

[padi56]

Welcome to TRF, Dell.Rolex Sapphire crystal no anti-reflective coating is used at the moment. Some have indicated that Rolex does indeed plan to incorporate A/R coating in the future. But Rolex as a company is notorious for being slow to change,so perhaps in around 20 years.

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Dell Deaton

First time Post here for me -- having just bought a new Sub no-date after rejecting the Planet Ocean. So I'm hoping these comments will be helpful.

Never heard of the "orange" wearing off this watch, but you do want to be aware that the outer surface of the sapphire crystal is treated w/ anti-reflective coating, just like the inner surfaces (only) of my Rolex, the Bond Omega Seamaster 2531.80, et cetera. Thus, the Planet Ocean is reputed to be terribly subject to scratching, and there's even a cottage industry of sorts for people who are having it chemically removed.

Second, I believe that the so-called co-axial movement is more of a modified 1120 caliber (which, itself, is a modified ETA 2892-A2 caliber) movement. So there is a question regarding claims of 10-year servicing (of which none have been in the field more than five).

Welcome to TRF, Dell. Glad to have you here. Keep on posting. Seems like you have some knowledge that would be worthwhile here.

[Spencer]

I liked my PO, however I sold for a Panerai 111H which is I like much more

[Launch Mini]

Sorry Guys, I thought I just made a simple, SHORT comment.

[Goodwatch]

Originally Posted by Launch Mini

Sorry Guys, I thought I just made a simple, SHORT comment.

And you get a long and complicated answer! I'm glad you showed some interest in this very interesting topic I'll scan and post the 14, 1600 page volumes I have on the subject of the House of Orange I know I have a very grateful audience here Thank you, the other forum members will reward you for this, I'm sure!

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

And you get a long and complicated answer! I'm glad you showed some interest in this very interesting topic I'll scan and post the 14, 1600 page volumes I have on the subject of the House of Orange I know I have a very grateful audience here Thank you, the other forum members will reward you for this, I'm sure!

You really want to get blacklisted, Fransie?

[Mac]

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[Goodwatch]

Originally Posted by Mac

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Someday you'll understand this. Just stick around longer then JJ swaps watches

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Someday you'll understand this. Just stick around longer then JJ swaps watches

Frans, what happened to your cloggy buddy here? I hope we didn't scare him away.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Atomic

Frans, what happened to your cloggy buddy here? I hope we didn't scare him away.

I think "Phew" said "Whew" and ran!!