Vacheron Constantin Overseas vs. Rolex Daytona

[Louies]

Hi guys

I'm new to the world of high end watches. Recently, I've been contemplating to buy either a Rolex Daytona and a Vacheron Constantin Overseas. While both are great names, Rolex is certainly more well known. VC, on the other hand, somehow appeals a lot more to me. I just know enough that it's a great watch company with a long history of making watches. However, other than that I don't know much about their watches. So here's my two choices. Please tell me the long and shorts of each.

My use is for both works and plays. My goal for getting one of these is that I want a nice watch, but a discreet one as well. I don't want my watch to scream "hey that's a 15K $$ plus watch." But yet, I want a watch that's worth my money and a high resale value should I decide to sell it. My guess is that I'm trying to balance out between being discreet of a VC and the high resale value of the Rolex. All in all, I want a total package. I know "total" is a subjective word, but I suppose you guys get the idea.


Thanks.


Here's the VC Overseas

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._bw_g241_i3_sh


Here's the Rolex Commograph Daytona. As a side note, I know this one is hard to get, but I can wait.

http://www.jomashop.com/rolex-watch-116500wso.html

[GB-man]

You want a patek 5711 or 5167.

[psv]

Originally Posted by GB-man

You want a patek 5711 or 5167.

Why? He listed the two watches he is interested in?


Try on both pieces and buy the one that sings the most to you. I love both your options. Needless to say, the Daytona is more recognizable would be easier to sell if you decided to do so, but that is starting a collection with the wrong mindset IMO. I really dig the new Daytona, especially with the white dial but it will be years before most people will be able to get one at MSRP unless you have special connections (I thought I did but I'm falling short anyhow...)

The VC Overseas is highly underrated IMO. It is a beautiful piece, wears great and part of the Big Three (something Rolex cannot say). Jason Heaton did a very nice review of the OSC last year http://gearpatrol.com/2015/07/21/vac...ay-watch-need/

I go to a business meeting and there is 5 or 6 Rolex watches around the table, I have never seen anyone wear an OSC in the wild...

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by psv

Why? He listed the two watches he is interested in?

First off let me preface this by saying after owning both the 5711 and 5167 I have sold them both.

I recommended them to the OP because he explicitly stated he is looking for a high end watch that is discreet but also holds its value extremely well. A rolex will never be discreet, certainly not a modern one.

I do not favor the overseas and value retention sure as ain't what it's known for. I'm not saying that should stop anyone from buying one, but OP was very clear resale was important.

Not much holds its value like a daytona. Closest thing that is discreet would be PP 5711 or 5167 imho.

[GerardoG]

Welcome to the club! You have two very nice options, and I guess you will get more raves here on the Daytona (Rolex forum). Both have its ups and downs, my 2 cents is to try them both and get the one that YOU like best. In the end, you will be wearing it, not us.

Happy hunting and let us know what you decide!

[masyv6]

Originally Posted by GerardoG

Welcome to the club! You have two very nice options, and I guess you will get more raves here on the Daytona (Rolex forum). Both have its ups and downs, my 2 cents is to try them both and get the one that YOU like best. In the end, you will be wearing it, not us.

Happy hunting and let us know what you decide!

Underrated advice right here. Don't let guys from the internet decide what YOU like the best.

[Louies]

Originally Posted by tubojunk

Something I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is VC overseas just got updated movement, case, dial configuration. Comes with a nice new price tag as well. So i'd definitely take that into consideration if it means anything to you.

Yup...30% off isn't too shabby. That I take well into consideration. Plus all those updates only sweeten the deal. It's rather hard to say no to that.

Reading your initial post, first watch, etc. If you think you would ever resell your watch Daytona will hold value far better. If you dont think you are going to sell and truly like look over the VC better get the VC.

I only say that just in case. You'll never know how much or how long you're gonna like the watch. In case you no longer like it, it's nice to know you can offload it with minimal haircut. That's why I consider the Rolex due to its popularity, not to mention I also like its look.

Originally Posted by masyv6

Underrated advice right here. Don't let guys from the internet decide what YOU like the best.

I agree. But being a total newbie, it's always great to hear from guys who have been in this for a while. The final decision still rests with me, though.

[daytonaTBR]

Hold out for a 116500. The VC Overseas never did anything for me.

[rw2008]

Originally Posted by Aw15

Hold out for a 116500. The VC Overseas never did anything for me.

Pretty much this

[Louies]

Originally Posted by GB-man

You want a patek 5711 or 5167.

That's way out of my league.

Originally Posted by Aw15

Hold out for a 116500. The VC Overseas never did anything for me.

What do you mean "it never did anything for you?" You mean you never got any compliment from it? As for the 116500, what's the decent price to buy? Joomashop quotes it as 15K plus. I think that's fair, given that other Daytonas ranges between 11K-13.5K. I'm willing to pay 15.5K or less.

[T01]

Daytona

[Muzz]

Not an huge fan of the VC bezel. While I appreciate what they were trying to do, it just makes it a pain to clean and wipe down as gunk gets into all of those tight spaces.

While I have had many opportunities to buy an Overseas chrono I have never followed through as it just didn't sing to me. However every one that I have looked at sold relatively quickly and there is a good demand and following for them.

The Daytona despite being smaller is cleaner and far more comfortable on my wrist. A quick wipe and it is clean without spending too much time on it. Additionally it is cheaper and more liquid if you decide to trade or sell.

The market price for these VC Overseas Chronos have softened so factor that into your decision. New can be had for a discount where that will not be the case for the Daytona.

Additionally, I would prefer my timepieces to not have religious symbols built into the design. I just need a watch to be a watch.

[WristEnvy]

Originally Posted by Muzz

Not an huge fan of the VC bezel. While I appreciate what they were trying to do, it just makes it a pain to clean and wipe down as gunk gets into all of those tight spaces.

Funny you say that. I was wondering how someone can get a watch so grimey after a few months. After disinfecting the back of the case I tried on my coworker's.



It is a beautiful watch, especially the blue. But I prefer the 116500.


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[Muzz]

Originally Posted by WristEnvy

Funny you say that. I was wondering how someone can get a watch so grimey after a few months. After disinfecting the back of the case I tried on my coworker's.



It is a beautiful watch, especially the blue. But I prefer the 116500.


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Wow Ray!! That was the exact image in my mind when I wrote that definitely need some Q tips for that bezel!

[sco]

Originally Posted by Muzz

Additionally, I would prefer my timepieces to not have religious symbols built into the design. I just need a watch to be a watch.

This, aside from everything else, I just can't get past this.....

[Gnomon]

Originally Posted by sco

This, aside from everything else, I just can't get past this.....

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

[Muzz]

Originally Posted by Gnomon

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

Forum rules about religion are specific. My comment was boarder line, replying to your post in detail would be an infraction. Please have a wonderful day

[sco]

Originally Posted by Gnomon

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

Watches are personal, tastes are personal. Your comparisons do not make much sense to me, but that's ok...

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by Gnomon

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

X2. U should avoid all swiss watches and switzerland itself since the swiss flag is also a symbol. And perhaps the US and west indies since Columbus ships also flew the same symbol.

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Muzz

Not an huge fan of the VC bezel. While I appreciate what they were trying to do, it just makes it a pain to clean and wipe down as gunk gets into all of those tight spaces.

While I have had many opportunities to buy an Overseas chrono I have never followed through as it just didn't sing to me. However every one that I have looked at sold relatively quickly and there is a good demand and following for them.

The Daytona despite being smaller is cleaner and far more comfortable on my wrist. A quick wipe and it is clean without spending too much time on it. Additionally it is cheaper and more liquid if you decide to trade or sell.

The market price for these VC Overseas Chronos have softened so factor that into your decision. New can be had for a discount where that will not be the case for the Daytona.

Additionally, I would prefer my timepieces to not have religious symbols built into the design. I just need a watch to be a watch.

Some great advice, Steve

I'm no expert so I can't add too much constructive guidance of my own. The only thing I can say is that you're quite likely going to pay above MSRP for the new Daytona-C, which will balance out any 'loss' should you decide to sell the VC because you'll never get that premium back.

Aside from that, I prefer the 116520 to the 116500.

If it were me, I buy to wear not to flip and given the options, I think I would much prefer Russell's blue dial VC (post No. 80) to the 116500.

Good luck

[Louies]

I was searching the forum and found a thread regarding this same comparison made a couple of years ago (2011). Someone then complained that VCOC isn't a "real" VC because it doesn't have the "in house movement." What's he referring to? Why is it so important?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=161686

[dgobin208]

I think its up to you as to whether or not its important. In part it influenced my decision recently to buy an AP over a VC. If not in-house the internal components of the watch are being made by a different company and possibly being shared with other watch companies (not sure about that particular movement though). Not that it means the movement is any less solid. However, I think part of the justification for an expensive timepiece is that you are buying from a watchmaker whose craftsmen build most components of your watch. For a smaller watchmaker who may lack the scale of say Rolex its probably cheaper to source them from outside. In fact I believe the new VC overseas chronograph is going up in MSRP by $8000 or so as they move to an in-house movement. Id be a little less fussy when spending 3-5k on a watch but in the price range you are looking at in-house movements are becoming the expectation. Ultimately though its your decision as to whether that's important to you. I cant help but wonder how non-in house movements on the older VCs might be viewed a few years down the road (not that it seems to hurt the zenith powered daytonas any.....). Even still I love the look and feel of the VC Overseas Chrono and wouldn't necessarily rule it out down the road.

[Louies]

Originally Posted by dgobin208

... Id be a little less fussy when spending 3-5k on a watch but in the price range you are looking at in-house movements are becoming the expectation...

That explains why the current VCOC version is 30% off the MSRP?

[Louies]

How can you tell the difference between the 116520 and the 116500 model based on visual inspection? Below are the 116520 and 116500LN from a online vendor.

http://www.luxuryofwatches.com/rolex...16500ln-white/

http://www.luxuryofwatches.com/rolex...-116520-white/




What I want is the 116500LN model 2016. But judging from the two images, I can't tell one from another. If they're not that much different, why would anyone want to pay a premium for the 116500LN?

[dgobin208]

Originally Posted by Louies

How can you tell the difference between the 116520 and the 116500 model based on visual inspection? Below are the 116520 and 116500LN from a online vendor.

http://www.luxuryofwatches.com/rolex...16500ln-white/

http://www.luxuryofwatches.com/rolex...-116520-white/

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What I want is the 116500LN model 2016. But judging from the two images, I can't tell one from another. If they're not that much different, why would anyone want to pay a premium for the 116500LN?

I assume they just took the older version of the Daytona and modified it to look like the newer one. Im guessing that the custom version will be worth a whole lot less than the real thing when the new versions come down to earth in pricing. No one will want the copy at that point. Just my 2 cents.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Louies

How can you tell the difference between the 116520 and the 116500 model based on visual inspection? Below are the 116520 and 116500LN from a online vendor.

What I want is the 116500LN model 2016. But judging from the two images, I can't tell one from another. If they're not that much different, why would anyone want to pay a premium for the 116500LN?

If you look at the description of the bezel on the 116520 it says: "Custom" Ceramic.

Must be an aftermarket bezel, not even a Rolex genuine part.

[sinncollector]

i prefer VC, but the old dual-time model. the one with textured dial. it doesn't look like it's in the current line up though

[kirksingleton]

not a VC fan at all but I bet you would get a different opinion if you posted this on the VC forums!

[joli160]

VC has a date which for me is a must.
Try both and whichever gives you the biggest smile

[raffor]

I personally would take a Vacheron over a Rolex and the Overseas design is bold. Having said that, you probably get a more ruggid watch with the Rolex.


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