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27 July 2016, 08:04 AM | #1 |
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I'm deciding between getting the Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II or the 114060 Submariner. What do you guys think?
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27 July 2016, 08:09 AM | #2 |
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There's a lot of love for Submariners, lots of them out there, I hear it described as iconic a lot. That's one reason why I went GMT.
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27 July 2016, 08:10 AM | #3 |
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27 July 2016, 08:20 AM | #4 |
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The GMT (unless you live your life underwater at depths greater than 100m).
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27 July 2016, 08:24 AM | #5 |
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27 July 2016, 08:28 AM | #6 |
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Whichever one you like better.
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Two very different references. The Submariner gives you an uncluttered dial and arguably superior aesthetics. The GMT give you a couple of added and very useful complications.
I'd go Sub if it were my first. Good luck deciding |
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27 July 2016, 08:33 AM | #10 |
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Your probably going to get 50/50 on the responses I would go with a GMT
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27 July 2016, 09:09 AM | #11 |
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I vote yes.
Yes to the.....
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27 July 2016, 09:28 AM | #12 |
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5-digit GMT, yes. Otherwise, Sub. No PCLs for me.
By the way, is there a non-Oyster Perpetual GMT? |
27 July 2016, 10:48 AM | #13 |
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Save yourself the anxiety...get both.
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27 July 2016, 11:16 AM | #14 |
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^^^many do end up with both.
GMT wears a touch flatter. Both are great watches. For a 6 digit I probably prefer the no date Sub.
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27 July 2016, 11:24 AM | #15 |
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Had both. 114060 all the way.
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But yeah, apart from those obvious 6 or 8 functional and/or aesthetic differences, same watch. |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get what's going on under the hood if one is a professional pilot or seafaring treasure hunter. But no one uses them that way. They're male fashion jewelry. And as such, from 3 feet away either on a wrist or in a display case, to the average person it's the same look- one has a splash of color and one doesn't. Having both a Sub and a GMT in a collection is redundant, you pick the one that fits your fashion and your lifestyle the most. I spend my days in boardrooms as an executive and my weekends in SUV's as a soccer dad, the Submariner works with a business suit or a t-shirt. The GMT and it's fanciful bezel colors doesn't work in the boardroom, can clash if I'm wearing the wrong color t-shirt. I need my watches to work with any and all attire; the GMT takes too much coordination to pull off each day. |
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Even though I am a world-traveler, I never need to know more than what time it is back home, so multiple zones and the 24 hour hand don't really mean anything to me, they just clutter up the dial and bezel beyond my liking. A Submariner can also function decently as a second timezone watch; by turning the noon triangle to the hour differential (ie if home is 6 hours behind move from 12 to 6 position) you can visualize the hour it is back home, the minute hand is read verbatim. |
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28 July 2016, 02:02 PM | #22 | |
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The Sub the OP referred to (unlike the one you pictured) has no date function/cyclops. On the other hand, every GMT Master has a date/cyclops. The case/lug differences (thicker/blockier/fatter) of modern version Subs vs older versions, and vs GMTs old and new are not merely noticeable, but obvious. Harping about "festive colors" (and the supposed trouble of coordinating them with clothes or situation) as a big factor in decision-making is an error you've been informed about but seem to always forget; for the last 40+ years GMT Masters/Master IIs have been available with all-black, LN bezels. The modern, standard 116710 comes with an all-black LN bezel. The idea that one must buy a GMT Master II with a colored "festive" bezel is 100% wrong. It becomes a false premise and therefore a fallacy to ignore this easy and obvious availability when urging someone to make a decision based-on such undisputable wrongness. As for "under the hood", the ability for a watch to DISPLAY 2 or 3 time zones simultaneously is precisely why the GMT Master was invented. To call a readily-visible display capability "under the hood" is utterly oxymoronic. You may as well say having the date feature is also "under the hood". Contrary to your notion that your Sub is "fashion jewellery" because you've personally found it's inherent functional, dive watch forte' (superior WR rating) useless to your own life and therefore fashion is the only reason you wear one, not everyone else finds a date and/or extra time zone display features of a GMT Master useless to theirs. It seems you're on a quest to assign everyone else your own superficial motivation for wearing a Sub in order to ignore the watches' different physical characteristics and capabilities. One certainly don't have to be a professional pilot to enjoy or find the forte' of the GMT Master useful on a day-to-day basis no matter how many times you repeatedly declare, with absolutely no authority, that "Nobody uses them that way". Belabour your idea of the "sameness" between GMT and Sub all you want in your effort to equate fashion motivation/wearing something that's tool aspect is useless to you with everyone else's, when the reality of differences in form, function, and usefulness of timekeeping display features for anyone not wearing flippers or outside your own head is much different. The funny thing is, the one thing where they are the same (color of bezel due to LN bezel option for GMTs) is the one thing you keep insisting is the only difference worthy of supposedly being a great factor in decision-making between the two. |
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My point is that if the OP is simply looking for a nice Rolex sport model and is not a diver or a pilot and merely wants a nice looking wristwatch, from 5 feet away the difference between the Submariner and the GMT is that the GMT offers colorful bezels if one is inclined to find them a good differentiator. My Lord, the amount of time you GMT people spend debating blue vs. burgundy bezels, yellowed vs. white markers, Oyster vs. Jubilee bracelets, "Coke" vs. "Batman". If 90% of your time is spent discussing styling, well, there's the reason the GMT has that perception as the "colorful stylish Submariner". If one ignores the feature differences it's a matter of styling, no different than comparing a Pepsi GMT to a Coke GMT. For those who just want a colorless bezel, the bonus of a black Submariner over a black GMT is a far less busy bezel and a far less busy dial. |
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27 July 2016, 01:34 PM | #24 |
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27 July 2016, 01:39 PM | #25 |
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GMT all black
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27 July 2016, 01:38 PM | #26 |
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You will probably have both eventually if you hang out here long enough so, the one you like best right now.
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Will this be your one and only? What else do you have and do you plan to collect more down the road? These answers will help get you the best advice.
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27 July 2016, 01:51 PM | #28 |
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27 July 2016, 02:39 PM | #29 |
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GMT first.... sub second acquisition.
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27 July 2016, 03:59 PM | #30 |
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Get both. If it was me I would get Submariner if I could only have one. You can't go wrong either way.
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