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dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 06:24 AM

Hi. Just after some advice . I have had the watch a fee years. Inherited. The dial has what looks like a scratch. Just wondering what could have caused this to happen. Thanks in advance. P

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 06:37 AM

Is it actually on the dial or on the crystal?

dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 06:41 AM

It's on the dial. Thanks for the reply.

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dirkstar

It's on the dial. Thanks for the reply.

Then it's hard to guess where it comes from.

I know one thing though, it can't bother you that much as you've kept it like this for many years?

dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 06:58 AM

No it hasn't it's always being this way. I inherited from an uncle who has passed and I never got to ask him. Just thinking of selling ,but not sure of an explanation of how the damage has occurred . Thanks again

Zaslice · 4 November 2016, 07:12 AM

What in the world??? Too bad that's pretty valuable dial

droptopman · 4 November 2016, 07:17 AM

Looks like someone intentionally did that. Hard to believe a watch smith could do that and it did not happen from hand drag. Looks like they tried to draw a baseball diamond on there.
Too bad as that is a great watch/dial combo.

dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 07:22 AM

I was told it could have been damaged by heat would anyone agree.

Tools · 4 November 2016, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dirkstar

I was told it could have been damaged by heat would anyone agree.

Not very likely; whoever claims that would need to come up with a very convincing argument.

that scrawl connects the 3,6,9,12 markers. Pretty unlikely that it would be anything that happened by itself. It seems to clearly be intentional (or unintentionally) by somebody at some point in time.

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dirkstar

I was told it could have been damaged by heat would anyone agree.

Not likely

crowncollection · 4 November 2016, 07:32 AM

No idea what caused it

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dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 08:19 AM

The marks do look worse under direct light, not that easy to see at times. Looking at the pictures above I've noticed a mark under the 6 baguette . WI'll try and get better pics up tomorrow. Thanks everyone for showing a interest. Thumbs up.

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dirkstar

The marks do look worse under direct light, not that easy to see at times. Looking at the pictures above I've noticed a mark under the 6 baguette . WI'll try and get better pics up tomorrow. Thanks everyone for showing a interest. Thumbs up.

Yes, it looks like the scratch continues there.

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 08:25 AM

A larger pic of the dial.

AgentHsu · 4 November 2016, 08:43 AM

That's just horrible. Heat did not do that.

Italiansub · 4 November 2016, 09:30 AM

Did a diamond come loose and get dragged around the dial before being fixed?

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actionkwj · 4 November 2016, 03:11 PM

I have no idea why but agree that was intentional as there's no other logical explanation, but I'd love to be proven wrong because that's just wrong

jban5 · 4 November 2016, 04:00 PM

Is that dial made of some other non-standard materials, ie. similar to the lapis dials? It's a weird pattern but it looks more like a crack than a scratch.

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jban5

Is that dial made of some other non-standard materials, ie. similar to the lapis dials? It's a weird pattern but it looks more like a crack than a scratch.

It's called a Vignette dial.

dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 07:28 PM

I agree.jban5 more of a crack

dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirkstar

Hi. Just after some advice . I have had the watch a fee years. Inherited. The dial has what looks like a scratch. Just wondering what could have caused this to happen. Thanks in advance. P

A few other pics under day light.Doesn't look so bad

dirkstar · 4 November 2016, 09:25 PM

Just a thought. I've been told the bezel isn't rolex original. If this is a tight fit "Going to sound dumb " but could it be stressing the dial .

MonBK · 4 November 2016, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dirkstar

Just a thought. I've been told the bezel isn't rolex original. If this is a tight fit "Going to sound dumb " but could it be stressing the dial .

No.

jban5 · 4 November 2016, 11:41 PM

I think that "stress" cracks is the best descriptive of these lines. If the rehaut for some reason is pushing down on the dial with even pressure all around the outside diameter perhaps that could be the cause.

motoikkyu · 5 November 2016, 12:16 AM

If we're going with the "stress crack" theory, if the dial were not fully seated into the movement or something was holding it up, and you attempted to install it, the inside of the crystal might push on the three largest, thickest diamonds and cause stress crack, literally bending the dial along those axes (would even account for the weirdness under the 6). Of course, it could never have been installed completely that way: the hands wouldn't be able to travel. Could have been a mishap while re-assembling? Do I get creative points for trying?

swish77 · 5 November 2016, 12:23 AM

Couldn't this just be the beginning of cracking like on so-called "Spider Dials?"

Swiss_Time_Watches · 5 November 2016, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by swish77

Couldn't this just be the beginning of cracking like on so-called "Spider Dials?"

This is what it is.

Juggernaut · 5 November 2016, 12:33 AM

This is unfortunate. I hate to say it, but I would say that that scratch could only have occurred by some deliberate action by someone who had the watch apart. Maybe scorn, extreme frustration, heartbreak or possibly substance abuse could have fueled this unfortunate defacing of the dial.

MonBK · 5 November 2016, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Juggernaut

This is unfortunate. I hate to say it, but I would say that that scratch could only have occurred by some deliberate action by someone who had the watch apart. Maybe scorn, extreme frustration, heartbreak or possibly substance abuse could have fueled this unfortunate defacing of the dial.

This is most likely closest to the truth and for what it's worth I believe the dial is aftermarket as well.!

Juggernaut · 5 November 2016, 05:12 AM

Possibly...but I still like my theory the best...

4 November 2016, 06:24 AM	#1
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	Rolex Dial Hi. Just after some advice . I have had the watch a fee years. Inherited. The dial has what looks like a scratch. Just wondering what could have caused this to happen. Thanks in advance. P Attached Images

4 November 2016, 07:32 AM	#11
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	No idea what caused it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

4 November 2016, 08:25 AM	#14
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	A larger pic of the dial. Attached Images

4 November 2016, 08:43 AM	#15
AgentHsu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mr. Hsu Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Datejust Posts: 607	That's just horrible. Heat did not do that. __________________ Good things come to those who wear Rolexes.

5 November 2016, 12:16 AM	#25
motoikkyu 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: PRJ Posts: 1,732	If we're going with the "stress crack" theory, if the dial were not fully seated into the movement or something was holding it up, and you attempted to install it, the inside of the crystal might push on the three largest, thickest diamonds and cause stress crack, literally bending the dial along those axes (would even account for the weirdness under the 6). Of course, it could never have been installed completely that way: the hands wouldn't be able to travel. Could have been a mishap while re-assembling? Do I get creative points for trying? __________________ "Do you like Breitling?" "I don't know, really, I've never been Breitled"

4 November 2016, 06:37 AM	#2
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Is it actually on the dial or on the crystal?

4 November 2016, 06:41 AM	#3
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	It's on the dial. Thanks for the reply.

4 November 2016, 06:58 AM	#5
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	No it hasn't it's always being this way. I inherited from an uncle who has passed and I never got to ask him. Just thinking of selling ,but not sure of an explanation of how the damage has occurred . Thanks again

4 November 2016, 07:12 AM	#6
Zaslice "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Chamblee GA Posts: 227	What in the world??? Too bad that's pretty valuable dial

4 November 2016, 07:17 AM	#7
droptopman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Mark Location: Washington State Watch: SUBS and GMT's! Posts: 9,664	Looks like someone intentionally did that. Hard to believe a watch smith could do that and it did not happen from hand drag. Looks like they tried to draw a baseball diamond on there. Too bad as that is a great watch/dial combo.

4 November 2016, 07:22 AM	#8
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	I was told it could have been damaged by heat would anyone agree.

4 November 2016, 08:19 AM	#12
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	The marks do look worse under direct light, not that easy to see at times. Looking at the pictures above I've noticed a mark under the 6 baguette . WI'll try and get better pics up tomorrow. Thanks everyone for showing a interest. Thumbs up.

4 November 2016, 09:30 AM	#16
Italiansub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Boston Posts: 9	Did a diamond come loose and get dragged around the dial before being fixed? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 November 2016, 03:11 PM	#17
actionkwj "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: san diego Watch: me soak up the sun Posts: 1,245	I have no idea why but agree that was intentional as there's no other logical explanation, but I'd love to be proven wrong because that's just wrong

4 November 2016, 04:00 PM	#18
jban5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: 5513~1675x2~1680~ Posts: 523	Is that dial made of some other non-standard materials, ie. similar to the lapis dials? It's a weird pattern but it looks more like a crack than a scratch.

4 November 2016, 07:28 PM	#20
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	I agree.jban5 more of a crack

4 November 2016, 09:25 PM	#22
dirkstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: yorkshire Posts: 12	Just a thought. I've been told the bezel isn't rolex original. If this is a tight fit "Going to sound dumb " but could it be stressing the dial .

4 November 2016, 11:41 PM	#24
jban5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Watch: 5513~1675x2~1680~ Posts: 523	I think that "stress" cracks is the best descriptive of these lines. If the rehaut for some reason is pushing down on the dial with even pressure all around the outside diameter perhaps that could be the cause.

5 November 2016, 12:23 AM	#26
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 7,003	Couldn't this just be the beginning of cracking like on so-called "Spider Dials?"

5 November 2016, 12:33 AM	#28
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	This is unfortunate. I hate to say it, but I would say that that scratch could only have occurred by some deliberate action by someone who had the watch apart. Maybe scorn, extreme frustration, heartbreak or possibly substance abuse could have fueled this unfortunate defacing of the dial.

5 November 2016, 05:12 AM	#30
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	Possibly...but I still like my theory the best...

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