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TheVTCGuy · 28 December 2016, 06:05 PM

Leaving out the ruby and other precious stone dials that are available, and forgetting the story of the white faced-Pan Am executive model (rumor), WHY do you think Rolex doesn't offer the GMT and Sub, two of it's best (if not THE best) sellers with a white-dial option? I am talking strictly the SS models, but they offer both in the EX II line up. It is honestly one of the reasons I chose my 216570 Polar over the GMT, I find the white face a bit easier to read. I like the white face on watches so much when I get my SS DJ41. (Rght after Basel I hope

) I'll get it with a white dial as well. And it kind of make sense a white face could be more legible, something in a diving and a Pilot's watch you would want.... So....

Why not?

droptopman · 28 December 2016, 07:27 PM

I have wondered this also. Bamford does a custom white dialed with white ceramic 116610 "snow trooper" that looks pretty cool.
It would be nice to have more white dialed sport watch options.

capote · 28 December 2016, 09:09 PM

There is a very rare white dial Submariner. It looks awkward and probably is insanely expensive.

natosub · 29 December 2016, 12:16 AM

Christopher Ward made their Trident diver with a white dial for awhile. It was a nice combo. I prefer the classic sub, but variety is the spice of life!

Speed · 29 December 2016, 12:29 AM

I don't think a white dial diver is as readable ... seems it's only been done on occasion as a novelty, no?

AK797 · 29 December 2016, 02:01 AM

Maybe a flash of white scares off fish, darker colours seem better suited.

Ravager135 · 29 December 2016, 03:37 AM

I think the idea is intentional. Rolex offers a GMT complication with a white dial; it's the Explorer II.

TJModz · 29 December 2016, 04:44 AM

The lume didn't show up very well on watches that I have owned with a light colored dial. Could be one reason?

GradyPhilpott · 29 December 2016, 04:48 AM

I think contrast is probably the answer.

Cockpits and underwater can be difficult visually.

What does our resident fighter pilot say?

Here's the Chris Ward version mentioned above.

https://www.christopherward.com/coll...hronometer-600

77T · 29 December 2016, 05:00 AM

The dials on commercial aircraft were black and the markings/indicator hands were luminous white. At night, and in low light, this combination saved eye strain and preserved residual night vision.

Same for gauges and pressure dials in submarines.

Any other questions?

77T · 29 December 2016, 05:01 AM

Dupe - Grady beat me to it

GradyPhilpott · 29 December 2016, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

Dupe - Grady beat me to it

Actually, I think your explanation is better.

blackbard · 29 December 2016, 09:18 AM

No offense to the Guys who think there is a huge difference between them....

They are practically the same watch and the yachtie comes in a variety of dial colors. Sure its marked 100M but everything is practically the same except the caseback...

T. Ferguson · 29 December 2016, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbard

No offense to the Guys who think there is a huge difference between them....

They are practically the same watch and the yachtie comes in a variety of dial colors. Sure its marked 100M but everything is practically the same except the caseback...

The YM comes in a white dial? Also, it is definitely not the same watch as the GMT.

A white dial GMT has been on my "what I'd like to see at Basel" list for several years now. Alas, it hasn't happened. Maybe they are saving it for the day when they release Pt versions of the Sub and GMT.

TheVTCGuy · 29 December 2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravager135

I think the idea is intentional. Rolex offers a GMT complication with a white dial; it's the Explorer II.

In a way, but the one thing I really miss with my EX II as compared to when i wore a GMT is the movable bezel, I was using that for all kinds of reasons on a daily basis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

The YM comes in a white dial? Also, it is definitely not the same watch as the GMT.

A white dial GMT has been on my "what I'd like to see at Basel" list for several years now. Alas, it hasn't happened. Maybe they are saving it for the day when they release Pt versions of the Sub and GMT.

Me too.... Maybe we will be pleasantly Suprised in March!?

Abdullah71601 · 29 December 2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Me too.... Maybe we will be pleasantly Suprised in March!?

They are killing the white dial Milgauss. Maybe they'll recycle the markers for your HiViz white dial GMT?

GradyPhilpott · 29 December 2016, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbard

No offense to the Guys who think there is a huge difference between them....

They are practically the same watch and the yachtie comes in a variety of dial colors. Sure its marked 100M but everything is practically the same except the caseback...

You need to go to an AD and compare the two.

Superficially they look similar, but nearly everything is different, including the bezel, the mid-case, the depth rating, the bracelet clasp, and, as you say, the case back.

That's a pretty long list.

T. Ferguson · 29 December 2016, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

You need to go to an AD and compare the two.

Superficially they look similar, but nearly everything is different, including the bezel, the mid-case, the depth rating, and, as you say, the case back.

That's a pretty long list.

Not to mention the polished bits.

GradyPhilpott · 29 December 2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

Not to mention the polished bits.

And I added the bracelet clasp.

blackbard · 29 December 2016, 10:35 AM

Yes, white with black markers. Speaking more to the sub...

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T. Ferguson · 29 December 2016, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbard

Yes, white with black markers. Speaking more to the sub...

Wasn't aware that was still in production.

Dyim · 29 December 2016, 12:59 PM

I am thinking Rolex is saving lighter dial for ice blue, to charge for platinum.

Andad · 29 December 2016, 05:36 PM

Weren't you a pilot in the old days Paul?

You should be able to answer your own question regarding readability?

28 December 2016, 06:05 PM	#1
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	Why not a Polar GMT/Sub? Leaving out the ruby and other precious stone dials that are available, and forgetting the story of the white faced-Pan Am executive model (rumor), WHY do you think Rolex doesn't offer the GMT and Sub, two of it's best (if not THE best) sellers with a white-dial option? I am talking strictly the SS models, but they offer both in the EX II line up. It is honestly one of the reasons I chose my 216570 Polar over the GMT, I find the white face a bit easier to read. I like the white face on watches so much when I get my SS DJ41. (Rght after Basel I hope ) I'll get it with a white dial as well. And it kind of make sense a white face could be more legible, something in a diving and a Pilot's watch you would want.... So.... Why not?

28 December 2016, 07:27 PM	#2
droptopman "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Mark Location: Washington State Watch: SUBS and GMT's! Posts: 9,664	Why not a Polar GMT/Sub? I have wondered this also. Bamford does a custom white dialed with white ceramic 116610 "snow trooper" that looks pretty cool. It would be nice to have more white dialed sport watch options. __________________ Judge Smails: Ty, what did you shoot today? Ty: Oh, Judge, I don't keep score. Judge Smails: Then how do you measure yourself with other golfers? Ty: By height.

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77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,019	The dials on commercial aircraft were black and the markings/indicator hands were luminous white. At night, and in low light, this combination saved eye strain and preserved residual night vision. Same for gauges and pressure dials in submarines. Any other questions? __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

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capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	There is a very rare white dial Submariner. It looks awkward and probably is insanely expensive.

29 December 2016, 12:16 AM	#4
natosub "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: USA Watch: the tide roll in.. Posts: 1,138	Christopher Ward made their Trident diver with a white dial for awhile. It was a nice combo. I prefer the classic sub, but variety is the spice of life!

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Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	I don't think a white dial diver is as readable ... seems it's only been done on occasion as a novelty, no?

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AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Maybe a flash of white scares off fish, darker colours seem better suited.

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Ravager135 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,224	I think the idea is intentional. Rolex offers a GMT complication with a white dial; it's the Explorer II.

29 December 2016, 04:44 AM	#8
TJModz "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 25	The lume didn't show up very well on watches that I have owned with a light colored dial. Could be one reason?

29 December 2016, 09:18 AM	#13
blackbard Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: US Posts: 80	Its called a yachtmaster.... No offense to the Guys who think there is a huge difference between them.... They are practically the same watch and the yachtie comes in a variety of dial colors. Sure its marked 100M but everything is practically the same except the caseback...

29 December 2016, 10:35 AM	#20
blackbard Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: US Posts: 80	Yes, white with black markers. Speaking more to the sub... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

29 December 2016, 12:59 PM	#22
Dyim "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 2,237	I am thinking Rolex is saving lighter dial for ice blue, to charge for platinum.

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Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,534	Weren't you a pilot in the old days Paul? You should be able to answer your own question regarding readability? __________________ E

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