16710 3186 Question

[airball7]

I bought a 3186 Pepsi stick dial NIB from Jacek around the end of 2011. Preferring the old style case and just wanted something "unusual", if unusual was the newer movement at the end of a model run. I sort of hoped that being less common that both the old 5-digit GMTII and the 3186 would appreciate (even more so together), even though I didn't then and don't now plan on selling. I've not paid much attention - although the bug has gotten me again these past few months - but has the value on these pieces risen? This isn't a "what's it worth" post - I just sort of gambled that demand for these would go up over time as Rolex nuts love any variation on the theme and want to find out if I was right (for once).

Thanks in advance,

Spence

[Andad]

What do you think Spencer?

[japenney]

Yes. They are commanding a premium over the 3185 movement. It is difficult to tell how large of a premium as examples are limited and some asking prices are outrageous and nobody really knows what people are paying at the end of the day.

[airball7]

Wish I'd been so prescient when I could have gotten a DRSD for not much about a decade back . . .

[Amex4711]

Originally Posted by airball7

Wish I'd been so prescient when I could have gotten a DRSD for not much about a decade back . . .

Hi Spencer,
I sold my 16710 with 3186 movement and Rectangular dial last year. So, in germany it is very difficult to get a higher price for this "special" movement with a "special" dial, because there are so many "normal" Pepsi for sale and most people don't know the differences

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Amex4711

Hi Spencer,
I sold my 16710 with 3186 movement and Rectangular dial last year. So, in germany it is very difficult to get a higher price for this "special" movement with a "special" dial, because there are so many "normal" Pepsi for sale and most people don't know the differences

Nothing special about the movement its just a slightly modded cal 3185 or the the dial its just a simple font change.Much like the hundreds of others over the past 5 decades of Rolex watches but that was before the WIS and today's loupe dial checking mania.At one time on the net there was a statement posted that by having the so called mistake dial or stick dial there was a cal 3186 inside the case.But again this was complete boswellocks as many stick dial still had a cal 3185 inside.The net is a wonderful place for Rolex hype, which drives prices up to those fool enough to believe all thats on today's Rolex hype net.

[natosub]

Originally Posted by padi56

Nothing special about the movement its just a slightly modded cal 3185...

If there's "nothing special about" it and not an improvement, why did Rolex go to the expense of R&D to update it?

[GMT Aviator]

Originally Posted by padi56

Nothing special about the movement its just a slightly modded cal 3185 or the the dial its just a simple font change.Much like the hundreds of others over the past 5 decades of Rolex watches but that was before the WIS and today's loupe dial checking mania.At one time on the net there was a statement posted that by having the so called mistake dial or stick dial there was a cal 3186 inside the case.But again this was complete boswellocks as many stick dial still had a cal 3185 inside.The net is a wonderful place for Rolex hype, which drives prices up to those fool enough to believe all thats on today's Rolex hype net.

This is correct and I own a Pepsi with Stick Dial with 3186. It has papers, box the lot and hasn't been worn although the stickers are not in place. I purchased it before the 3186 madness took hold.

Now if someone wants to give me £20K for it, then it's all your's.

Also, owning a number of GMT's from the 16710 to the 116710, I can attest that the older 3185 movement is nicer to adjust and set than it is on the 3186.
On the 3185 the crown just pops out perfectly to each position when you need to set the time or whatever. With the 3186 movement, regardless of which case it's in, the crown has to be rotated slightly after its unscrewed in order for it to pop out to the 1st position.

Just my observation. The 3185 is a great movement and the watches fitted with it are not any less because of it.

[Alpino]

Originally Posted by GMT Aviator

The 3185 is a great movement and the watches fitted with it are not any less because of it.

Except for the price ...

[SeaDweller50]

They range from 18,000 Pounds Sterling for BNIB down to 9,000 without paperwork, from looking at one particular site. Utter madness if you ask me.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Airborne

They range from 18,000 Pounds Sterling for BNIB down to 9,000 without paperwork, from looking at one particular site. Utter madness if you ask me.

Have to agree but like the old saying a fool and his money is soon gone,the 3186 is still basically a 3185.Yes they changed the detent gear and yes you have a slightly more precise setting of the second time zone but thats about all.

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree but like the old saying a fool and his money is soon gone,the 3186 is still basically a 3185.Yes they changed the detent gear and yes you have a slightly more precise setting of the second time zone but thats about all.

Agreed, especially with the known 3186 issues.

[elcoyoote92]

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Agreed, especially with the known 3186 issues.

what kinf of issues ? i ve meet few that had problem the hour hand

[douglasf13]

Originally Posted by elcoyoote92

what kinf of issues ? i ve meet few that had problem the hour hand

The hour hand thing is a known defect by Rolex. Sure, it's not the end of the world, and they can fix it, but I can't imagine wanting to actually pay quite a bit more for a movement with that possibility of failure.

[yannis]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree but like the old saying a fool and his money is soon gone,the 3186 is still basically a 3185.Yes they changed the detent gear and yes you have a slightly more precise setting of the second time zone but thats about all.

I love Padi's responses on the matter!

[Alpino]

Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree but like the old saying a fool and his money is soon gone,the 3186 is still basically a 3185.Yes they changed the detent gear and yes you have a slightly more precise setting of the second time zone but thats about all.

A Comex Sub have a lot less difference that what you describe if you compare to the same Sub not Comex, and the price difference is a lot lot lot much bigger

Same for double red SD vs standard SD or Red Sub compared to standard sub , etc etc etc

Why can't you accept that 16710 exception ?

If you don't like, you don't buy ... that's it

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Alpino

A Comex Sub have a lot less difference that what you describe if you compare to the same Sub not Comex, and the price difference is a lot lot lot much bigger

Same for double red SD vs standard SD or Red Sub compared to standard sub , etc etc etc

Why can't you accept that 16710 exception ?

If you don't like, you don't buy ... that's it

Well how many Comex subs are on the market for retail sale, same for the single and double red subs,considerably far less than this so called rare cal 3186 16710.The 16710 with the cal 3186 is not a real rare watch, just made in smaller numbers, but hundreds perhaps a thousand or more of them around world wide.And myself would much rather have in my collection a Comex or single or double red sub or SD than a slightly modded version of a mass produced 16710.

[Alpino]

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Comex or single or double red sub or SD are also slightly modded versions of a mass produced Sub or SD ...

[alexxelor]

Originally Posted by Airborne

They range from 18,000 Pounds Sterling for BNIB down to 9,000 without paperwork, from looking at one particular site. Utter madness if you ask me.

18000 pound but it's not a really BNIB

they range from 24500,00 euro , really BNIB and full set . from chrono24

[mtgjr]

Nope, the 16710-3186 prices have dropped about 1.5% a year since 2011. Not too bad.

[Onikage]

I'm glad mine doesn't have the 3186 because I'd have been tempted if someone offered 9-18'000 for it,

[airball7]

Jeez I could have birth-year (1969) 1675 for what this 16710 is worth? Instinct 1 is to trade. Instinct 2 is to have BOTH.

[Boaters]

There is an asking price and a selling price I guess it depends how bad someone wants it. For me I am happy with my 3185 D Serial so it doesn't matter.

[SeaDweller50]

Even a D serial costs an absolute fortune now. I really cannot believe how prices have rocketed these past couple of years. It's cheaper to buy a GMTC nowadays.

[rushca01]

Originally Posted by Airborne

Even a D serial costs an absolute fortune now. I really cannot believe how prices have rocketed these past couple of years. It's cheaper to buy a GMTC nowadays.

You aren't kidding! I just can't get into the GMTC...maybe we're not alone which has caused the hike in price. I hear though that's it's internet "scarcity" issue driving cost and if you walked in to an AD selling a used one the prices are reasonable. All hearsay though..

[V1Rotate]

It's all about the Red hand. Blue and or green are not the originals. It's the red. Original colors no longer made demand premiums.

[mtgjr]

Originally Posted by V1Rotate

It's all about the Red hand. Blue and or green are not the originals. It's the red. Original colors no longer made demand premiums.

Then why don't the red-handed Explorer II's demand (command?) premiums?

[V1Rotate]

Explorer II is a fine watch, but popular vote has always gone to the GMT. Explorer wasn't designed as a GMT but rather am/pm indicator for caving. Apples and oranges. Earlier engines for the explorer you couldn't even use the "Gmt" hand independently.

[Flywheel]

just a barometer, you can search recently sold items on eBay. One sold last week for $8,200. That's far less than the $15K some are asking.

[breitlings]

16710 is special imho. It does half hour time zones, has crystal, has aluminum bezel inserts, has the option of two bands and two clasps. It was designed when people wear watches every day as a neccessity so it is very comfortable. (Mine) It isn't 904l for those with nickel allergies. And rolex does the gmt complication very well in the 3185.

Agree with alpino.