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Jjcs · 20 May 2017, 05:52 PM

Hi all

I've a 2 month old 114060 submariner. I grabbed yesterday after not wearing it for a week and gave it a couple of winds to get it going, and I noticed there was minimal friction. I gave it much more manual winding than it should need - it won't run. There's far less friction when I'm winding it, as compared to when it was working. I can't take it to an AD for a while... any suggestions as to what's broken? As far as I can recall I haven't abused it too much. It seems to work fine as an automatic.

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padi56 · 20 May 2017, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jjcs

Hi all

I've a 2 month old 114060 submariner. I grabbed yesterday after not wearing it for a week and gave it a couple of winds to get it going, and I noticed there was minimal friction. I gave it much more manual winding than it should need - it won't run. There's far less friction when I'm winding it, as compared to when it was working. I can't take it to an AD for a while... any suggestions as to what's broken? As far as I can recall I haven't abused it too much. It seems to work fine as an automatic.

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To fully manual it needs 40 full crown turns clockwise only even after a full wind it might need a slight swirl to start.It could be a winding stem problem if watch is winding while wearing and keeps going its doubtful its the mainspring.

Jack T · 20 May 2017, 06:49 PM

When my watches have fully run down they usually get going after about 12 to 15 turns of the crown, with about 40 or so turns for a full windup.
As for the lack of friction in turning the crown, would not guess what the issue is.
You make two comments - 'it won't run' and 'it seems to work fine as an automatic' - does the watch run or not?

Jjcs · 20 May 2017, 06:57 PM

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When my watches have fully run down they usually get going after about 12 to 15 turns of the crown, with about 40 or so turns for a full windup.
As for the lack of friction in turning the crown, would not guess what the issue is.
You make two comments - 'it won't run' and 'it seems to work fine as an automatic' - does the watch run or not?

It didn't start last night just through manual winding, so I gave it a shake and it ran OK. It's now stopped and definitely won't start with a manual wind. I've given it well over 40 turns.

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padi56 · 20 May 2017, 08:51 PM

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It didn't start last night just through manual winding, so I gave it a shake and it ran OK. It's now stopped and definitely won't start with a manual wind. I've given it well over 40 turns.

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If watch does not run it's most probably the mainspring then take it back to where it was bought or if you live near a RSC take it there with your warranty card.It could be something simple like the stem screw has come loose thats a simple fix so is changing the mainspring if broken.

MonBK · 20 May 2017, 07:25 PM

Sounds like a RSC visit.

Hotrod297 · 20 May 2017, 07:53 PM

Is it pre-owned or 2 months from AD Purchase? Sounds like you have a serious problem.

If it from an AD, just take it back ASAP.

Jjcs · 20 May 2017, 08:04 PM

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Is it pre-owned or 2 months from AD Purchase? Sounds like you have a serious problem.

If it from an AD, just take it back ASAP.

BNIB from a private seller with Rolex warranty. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of nowhere and won't be able to take it to the AD until Wednesday week.

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Hotrod297 · 20 May 2017, 10:06 PM

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BNIB from a private seller with Rolex warranty. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of nowhere and won't be able to take it to the AD until Wednesday week.

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Hang in there my friend! I kind of know what you're going thru. I was in Iraq for 8 months with a busted GMT.

BLACKHORSE 6 · 20 May 2017, 10:37 PM

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Hang in there my friend! I kind of know what you're going thru. I was in Iraq for 8 months with a busted GMT.

What? You mean to tell me that there's no AD in Iraq? Baghdad was such a beautiful city!

ejvette · 20 May 2017, 08:07 PM

That's watch can take a lot of worry free abuse sounds like it needs to go in for service for sure.

brandrea · 20 May 2017, 08:53 PM

Is the crown in the winding position?

Jjcs · 20 May 2017, 09:00 PM

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Is the crown in the winding position?

It is. It was winding fine before, now it's like the stem is spinning freely, something isn't engaging.

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brandrea · 20 May 2017, 10:19 PM

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It is. It was winding fine before, now it's like the stem is spinning freely, something isn't engaging.

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Very strange. I guess RSC is the route to take. I hope you get it resolved

BLACKHORSE 6 · 20 May 2017, 10:18 PM

Sorry you're having trouble with it. Get it fixed through RSC, and don't let this experience ruin your liking to a great watch.

kilyung · 21 May 2017, 12:33 AM

Do you feel a distinct detent when you pull out the crown? Is there ANY resistance at all when you turn the crown to wind it? It could be a number of issues around the keyless works or the mainspring.

Jjcs · 21 May 2017, 09:40 AM

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Do you feel a distinct detent when you pull out the crown? Is there ANY resistance at all when you turn the crown to wind it? It could be a number of issues around the keyless works or the mainspring.

Nup, no resistance and no sound. And no 'click' when I pull the crown to the winding position.

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MonBK · 21 May 2017, 12:42 AM

Sounds like the stem just needs to be tightened?

kilyung · 21 May 2017, 12:59 AM

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Sounds like the stem just needs to be tightened?

The stem is a captive part and the only thing it's tightened onto is the crown.

KingRichard · 21 May 2017, 12:49 AM

sounds like you need to take it in for service. In the mean time just give it the old "seiko shake."

20 May 2017, 05:52 PM	#1
Jjcs "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Perth Watch: 114060 Posts: 12	114060 won't manually wind Hi all I've a 2 month old 114060 submariner. I grabbed yesterday after not wearing it for a week and gave it a couple of winds to get it going, and I noticed there was minimal friction. I gave it much more manual winding than it should need - it won't run. There's far less friction when I'm winding it, as compared to when it was working. I can't take it to an AD for a while... any suggestions as to what's broken? As far as I can recall I haven't abused it too much. It seems to work fine as an automatic. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

20 May 2017, 06:49 PM	#3
Jack T "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Jack Location: The Triangle Watch: Several Posts: 6,719	When my watches have fully run down they usually get going after about 12 to 15 turns of the crown, with about 40 or so turns for a full windup. As for the lack of friction in turning the crown, would not guess what the issue is. You make two comments - 'it won't run' and 'it seems to work fine as an automatic' - does the watch run or not? __________________ Sub 116613 LN; GMT 116710 LN; Sinn 104R; Exp 214270; GS SBGM221; Omega AT

20 May 2017, 07:53 PM	#7
Hotrod297 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Rod Location: USA & UAE Watch: Rolex Posts: 766	Is it pre-owned or 2 months from AD Purchase? Sounds like you have a serious problem. If it from an AD, just take it back ASAP. __________________ "I collect Rolex because I love'um and dig'um"

20 May 2017, 08:07 PM	#11
ejvette 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: East Hampton NY Watch: me break clays.. Posts: 7,516	That's watch can take a lot of worry free abuse sounds like it needs to go in for service for sure. __________________ Rolex•Omega•Breitling•Grand Seiko•Tudor "No one on their death bed ever said I wish I worked more" My Grandma * Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons *

20 May 2017, 07:25 PM	#6
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Sounds like a RSC visit.

20 May 2017, 08:53 PM	#12
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,136	Is the crown in the winding position?

20 May 2017, 10:18 PM	#15
BLACKHORSE 6 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: USA Watch: Rolex SS Daytona Posts: 2,679	Sorry you're having trouble with it. Get it fixed through RSC, and don't let this experience ruin your liking to a great watch.

21 May 2017, 12:33 AM	#16
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Do you feel a distinct detent when you pull out the crown? Is there ANY resistance at all when you turn the crown to wind it? It could be a number of issues around the keyless works or the mainspring.

21 May 2017, 12:42 AM	#18
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Sounds like the stem just needs to be tightened?

21 May 2017, 12:49 AM	#20
KingRichard "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 378	sounds like you need to take it in for service. In the mean time just give it the old "seiko shake."

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