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cop414 · 18 June 2017, 05:23 AM

Terrible accident, I just can't for the life of me fathom how this could have happened.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politi...pan/index.html

BravoOne · 18 June 2017, 05:33 AM

Not that hard to fathom considering the area of operations. Looked like the destroyer was hit midship but that could have been the result of last minute evasive maneuvering by the destroyer. You wouldn't believe how many sailors go man overboard each year.

RichM · 18 June 2017, 05:49 AM

Terrible news. Hoping for a good outcome.

BristolCavendish · 18 June 2017, 05:54 AM

First and foremost, hoping that all of the 7 missing sailors have survived this ordeal. Time is running short. Secondly, a Naval Board of Inquiry will eventually establish who was responsible for this tragedy. If the commander of the destroyer was at fault, chances are he will never command another US naval vessel and his career (along with any opportunity for advancement) is pretty much over. If on the other hand, the merchant ship was responsible for the collision then the captain of that freighter should be reprimanded/dismissed and/or relegated to permanent galley duties as a steward.

Abdullah71601 · 18 June 2017, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BristolCavendish

First and foremost, hoping that all of the 7 missing sailors have survived this ordeal. Time is running short. Secondly, a Naval Board of Inquiry will eventually establish who was responsible for this tragedy. If the commander of the destroyer was at fault, chances are he will never command another US naval vessel and his career (along with any opportunity for advancement) is pretty much over. If on the other hand, the merchant ship was responsible for the collision then the captain of that freighter should be reprimanded/dismissed and/or relegated to permanent galley duties as a steward.

The Captain will never command a ship again. The Navy is completely intolerant of groundings and collisions, as they are all preventable. This isn't a sail boat in the fog, the ship has sophisticated sensors that saw the risk at great distance and the crew failed to avoid the collision. The Captain owns that failure entirely.

Prayers for the missing. Hopefully they're found safe.

TheVTCGuy · 18 June 2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

The Captain will never command a ship again. The Navy is completely intolerant of groundings and collisions, as they are all preventable. This isn't a sail boat in the fog, the ship has sophisticated sensors that saw the risk at great distance and the crew failed to avoid the collision. The Captain owns that failure entirely.

Prayers for the missing. Hopefully they're found safe.

Agree, this is not a rowboat, but a sophisticated warship. A collision with a large merchant vessel is inexcusable.

Cryten · 18 June 2017, 05:58 AM

I saw that this morning.

That's rather embarrassing for the destroyer crew. They're a war ship, they should be aware of everything in the area, yet a cargo ship got them by surprise?

Heads need to roll.

joli160 · 18 June 2017, 06:24 AM

Terrible tragedy,
In a collision at sea there is never one to blame. Two parties involved. Two are to blame.
International Collision Regulations 2a (simplified) state that you always have to follow the rules. Rule 2b states that you have to deviate from them to avoid a collision, hence never one alone is to blame but question of guilt is dived in a percentage.
Both officers on watch are accountable. Captains always get the blame but in many occasions they were not even there or called upon much to late.

incontrol · 18 June 2017, 06:37 AM

Such a tragedy! Praying for all those who are at risk.

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TheRolexKingofLV · 18 June 2017, 06:59 AM

Sad news to hear...praying for a positive outcome.

TheVTCGuy · 18 June 2017, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by therolexkingoflv

sad news to hear...praying for a positive outcome.

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The Joker · 18 June 2017, 10:27 AM

Yep hope the 7 are somehow found. Prayers for them.

Danny83 · 18 June 2017, 10:30 AM

Terrible

Valenciawatchrepair · 18 June 2017, 11:30 AM

I was thinking the same thing. I served on an LHD as Air Traffic Control. We had plenty of radar in our space alone, not to mention the rest of the crew that use similar equipment. I just don't see how this is possible. Hope they find the missing.

Boothroyd · 18 June 2017, 01:04 PM

I just can't fathom a collision with a fully functioning Aegis destroyer and a cargo ship. Some malfunction or serious breakdown in chain of command must have occurred.

Hoping the 7 sailors are found to be safe! I see the captain was evacuated for medical injuries as well, sincerely he hope he has a full recovery.

Abdullah71601 · 18 June 2017, 01:07 PM

Looks like the seven were found dead in a flooded berthing compartment. RIP.

chieftd · 18 June 2017, 01:08 PM

I just heard all 7 were found dead in a flooded engine compartment on the destroyer. RIP to all. Very sad and someone has a lot explaining to do.

incontrol · 18 June 2017, 01:39 PM

This is now even more devastating! RIP patriots.

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Dr.Brian · 19 June 2017, 01:26 PM

RIP shipmates!

BLACKHORSE 6 · 19 June 2017, 02:07 PM

Was so sorry to hear of this. Be thou at peace...

GradyPhilpott · 19 June 2017, 02:16 PM

"The Navy Hymn."

cop414 · 19 June 2017, 08:36 PM

Rest easy men, so very tragic.

bayerische · 19 June 2017, 10:16 PM

Tragic, and avoidable.

18 June 2017, 05:23 AM	#1
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,258	7 US Navy sailors missing after collision Terrible accident, I just can't for the life of me fathom how this could have happened. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politi...pan/index.html __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

18 June 2017, 05:49 AM	#3
RichM 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Real Name: Richie Location: "Nowhere Man" Watch: out now,take care! Posts: 29,775	Terrible news. Hoping for a good outcome. __________________ "I love to work at nothing all day" TRF #139960

18 June 2017, 06:24 AM	#8
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,762	Terrible tragedy, In a collision at sea there is never one to blame. Two parties involved. Two are to blame. International Collision Regulations 2a (simplified) state that you always have to follow the rules. Rule 2b states that you have to deviate from them to avoid a collision, hence never one alone is to blame but question of guilt is dived in a percentage. Both officers on watch are accountable. Captains always get the blame but in many occasions they were not even there or called upon much to late. __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

18 June 2017, 06:37 AM	#9
incontrol "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Somewhere in PA Watch: All of them... Posts: 10,355	Such a tragedy! Praying for all those who are at risk. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Patek Philippe Rolex

18 June 2017, 06:59 AM	#10
TheRolexKingofLV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Trace Location: Vegas/Bay Area Posts: 9,234	Sad news to hear...praying for a positive outcome. __________________ Official Host "The Penthouse Party" Las Vegas 2018 Instagram @tracenunes

18 June 2017, 05:33 AM	#2
BravoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 319	Not that hard to fathom considering the area of operations. Looked like the destroyer was hit midship but that could have been the result of last minute evasive maneuvering by the destroyer. You wouldn't believe how many sailors go man overboard each year.

18 June 2017, 05:54 AM	#4
BristolCavendish Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: United States Posts: 1,864	First and foremost, hoping that all of the 7 missing sailors have survived this ordeal. Time is running short. Secondly, a Naval Board of Inquiry will eventually establish who was responsible for this tragedy. If the commander of the destroyer was at fault, chances are he will never command another US naval vessel and his career (along with any opportunity for advancement) is pretty much over. If on the other hand, the merchant ship was responsible for the collision then the captain of that freighter should be reprimanded/dismissed and/or relegated to permanent galley duties as a steward.

18 June 2017, 05:58 AM	#7
Cryten "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Terrafirma Posts: 2,655	I saw that this morning. That's rather embarrassing for the destroyer crew. They're a war ship, they should be aware of everything in the area, yet a cargo ship got them by surprise? Heads need to roll.

18 June 2017, 10:27 AM	#12
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,641	Yep hope the 7 are somehow found. Prayers for them.

18 June 2017, 10:30 AM	#13
Danny83 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: Danny Location: Bay Area CA Watch: Yellow Gold Posts: 20,314	Terrible

18 June 2017, 11:30 AM	#14
Valenciawatchrepair Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ellijay, GA Posts: 1,504	I was thinking the same thing. I served on an LHD as Air Traffic Control. We had plenty of radar in our space alone, not to mention the rest of the crew that use similar equipment. I just don't see how this is possible. Hope they find the missing.

18 June 2017, 01:04 PM	#15
Boothroyd 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Daniel Location: Minneapolis, MN Watch: Wilsdorf(s) Posts: 10,259	I just can't fathom a collision with a fully functioning Aegis destroyer and a cargo ship. Some malfunction or serious breakdown in chain of command must have occurred. Hoping the 7 sailors are found to be safe! I see the captain was evacuated for medical injuries as well, sincerely he hope he has a full recovery.

18 June 2017, 01:07 PM	#16
Abdullah71601 Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Calumet Harbor Watch: ing da Bears Posts: 13,568	Looks like the seven were found dead in a flooded berthing compartment. RIP.

18 June 2017, 01:08 PM	#17
chieftd "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Tim Location: Kapolei Hawaii Watch: Blue Sub, YM16623 Posts: 1,369	I just heard all 7 were found dead in a flooded engine compartment on the destroyer. RIP to all. Very sad and someone has a lot explaining to do.

18 June 2017, 01:39 PM	#18
incontrol "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Somewhere in PA Watch: All of them... Posts: 10,355	This is now even more devastating! RIP patriots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Patek Philippe Rolex

19 June 2017, 01:26 PM	#19
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	RIP shipmates! __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

19 June 2017, 02:07 PM	#20
BLACKHORSE 6 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: USA Watch: Rolex SS Daytona Posts: 2,679	Was so sorry to hear of this. Be thou at peace...

19 June 2017, 02:16 PM	#21
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19 June 2017, 08:36 PM	#22
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,258	Rest easy men, so very tragic. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

19 June 2017, 10:16 PM	#23
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Tragic, and avoidable. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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