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wantonebad · 20 June 2017, 03:13 AM

"There but for the grace of god go I" not passing judgement, just saying it must be very difficult for her friends and family after all of her struggles to have this news. Though most of them probably already knew this...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2017...ews:newsletter

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Carrie Fisher’s autopsy report shows the actress had cocaine in her system when she fell ill on a plane last year, but investigators could not determine what impact the cocaine and other drugs found in her system had on her death.

The report released Monday states Fisher may have taken cocaine three days before the Dec. 23 flight on which she became ill. She died four days later.

It also found traces of heroin and MDMA, which is also known as ecstasy, but that they could not determine when Fisher had taken those drugs. The findings were based on toxicology screenings done on samples taken when the ‘‘Star Wars’’ actress arrived at a Los Angeles hospital.

Coroner’s officials ruled Fisher died from sleep apnea and a combination of other factors. A news release issued Friday mentioned drugs were found in Fisher’s system, but it did not provide details.

Monday’s full report contains a detailed explanation of the results, such as why investigators believe Fisher took cocaine at least three days before her flight.

‘‘At this time the significance of cocaine cannot be established in this case,’’ the report states.

It also states that while heroin is detectable in the system for a briefer period of time, investigators could not determine when Fisher took it or the ecstasy.

‘‘Ms. Fisher suffered what appeared to be a cardiac arrest on the airplane accompanied by vomiting and with a history of sleep apnea. Based on the available toxicological information, we cannot establish the significance of the multiple substances that were detected in Ms. Fisher’s blood and tissue, with regard to the cause of death,’’ the report states.

Among the factors that contributed to Fisher’s death was buildup of fatty tissue in the walls of her arteries, the coroner’s office said last week.

A phone message left for Fisher’s brother, Todd, was not immediately returned.

Todd Fisher said Friday he was not surprised that drugs may have contributed to his sister’s death.

‘‘I would tell you, from my perspective that there’s certainly no news that Carrie did drugs,’’ Todd Fisher said. He noted that his sister wrote extensively about her drug use, and that many of the drugs she took were prescribed by doctors to try to treat her mental health conditions.

Fisher long battled drug addiction and mental illness. She said she smoked pot at 13, used LSD by 21 and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 24. She was treated with electroshock therapy and medication.

‘‘I am not shocked that part of her health was affected by drugs,’’ Todd Fisher said.

He said his sister’s heart condition was probably worsened by her smoking habit, as well as the medications she took. ‘‘If you want to know what killed her, it’s all of it,’’ he said.

MonBK · 20 June 2017, 03:36 AM

Sad news indeed but unfortunately my tolerance for drug addicts is extremely low.

BristolCavendish · 20 June 2017, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by superdog

Terrible. That's a lot of drugs in her system.

Probably why Carrie Fisher looked so much older than she actually was. Hard drugs have a way of aging people beyond normal recognition and 'speedballs' are a deadly cocktail.

On the other hand, Keith Richards is a successful survivor of such endeavors and his haggard look actually adds character to his overall appearance. Maybe it's different for men as women often tend to age faster in terms of physical appearances.

rr-nyc · 20 June 2017, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by monbk

sad news indeed but unfortunately my tolerance for drug addicts is extremely low.

+1

Rebel · 20 June 2017, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Sad news indeed but unfortunately my tolerance for drug addicts is extremely low.

Yes, especially rich and pampered ones.

BNA/LION · 20 June 2017, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Sad news indeed but unfortunately my tolerance for drug addicts is extremely low.

Seek Professional Help. Chances are you know when you are an addict and people around you know it too, your life is spinning out of control and your addiction is causing unnecessary negative impact to you and the people who love you. Get Help and Change your life for the better. There is no reason to kill yourself. IMHO

MonBK · 20 June 2017, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BNALION

Seek Professional Help. Chances are you know your an addict and people around you know it too, your life is spinning out of control and your addiction is causing unnecessary negative impact to you and the people who love you. Get Help and Change your life for the better. There is no reason to kill yourself. IMHO

No I'm not and no they don't.

BNA/LION · 20 June 2017, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

No I'm not and no they don't.

Ha! Ha! EDIT: "you know when you are..." I was not referring to you, however you did clarify that really fast.

MonBK · 20 June 2017, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BNALION

Ha! Ha! EDIT: "you know when you are..." I was not referring to you, however you did clarify that really fast.

sea-dweller · 20 June 2017, 03:54 AM

Very sad news.

superdog · 20 June 2017, 04:01 AM

Terrible.

That's a lot of drugs in her system.

AzPaul · 20 June 2017, 05:52 AM

Until you've stood and watched your home world be obliterated by a Death Star, don't judge.
Shit like that leaves a mark.

BristolCavendish · 20 June 2017, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AzPaul

Until you've stood and watched your home world be obliterated by a Death Star, don't judge. Shit like that leaves a mark.

So the root cause of her ongoing drug addiction was attributable to the destructive aftermath of DS-1?

SearChart · 20 June 2017, 06:35 AM

Pot at 13? That must have done some damage. I'd say parents are probably partially to blame for that..

BristolCavendish · 20 June 2017, 07:01 AM

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Pot at 13? That must have done some damage. I'd say parents are probably partially to blame for that..

Countless kids in the US are smoking pot around middle school age, Bas. Ease of access (i.e. raiding parental medical/recreational stashes and shared peer group opportunities) have made this particular activity somewhat mainstream and the entertainment industry (TV/movies) often makes light of it. A visitor from a distant planet might even get the impression that everyone here in America either drinks red wine and/or smokes pot regularly (depending upon the locale).

While marijuana isn't necessarily a 'gateway drug', for some it can be a stepping-stone to more dangerous/addictive stuff as human predispositions vary.

It's kind of like beer. Some folks will stick with beer while others eventually move on to whiskey and distilled spirits in an effort to procure a stronger level of inebriation and/or escape.

SearChart · 20 June 2017, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BristolCavendish

Countless kids in the US are smoking pot around middle school age, Bas. Ease of access (i.e. raiding parental medical/recreational stashes and shared peer group opportunities) have made this particular activity somewhat mainstream and the entertainment industry (TV/movies) often makes light of it. A visitor from a distant planet might even get the impression that everyone here in America either drinks red wine and/or smokes pot regularly (depending upon the locale).

While marijuana isn't necessarily a 'gateway drug', for some it can be a stepping-stone to more dangerous/addictive stuff as human predispositions vary.

It's kind of like beer. Some folks will stick with beer while others eventually move on to whiskey and distilled spirits in an effort to procure a stronger level of inebriation and/or escape.

Just as with alcohol I have nothing against pot, I enjoy both occasionally and am aware of the risks.

But underage drug/alcohol abuse is likely the beginning of a way downhill. You can't blame a kid trying it out, but I'm sure that most of them who get addicted at that age probably do not have a solid home base to rely on.

jhilly8982 · 20 June 2017, 09:59 AM

Drugs destroy lives. Substance addiction is a problem that affects all walks of life. It doesn't seem like there are many tolerant or educated people in respect to what addictive drugs do to your brain.

Sure, using and abusing illicit addictive substances is a poor life decision that can lead to much worse consequences but what about the over prescribing of legal opioids? Where do patients that were wrongly prescribed these legal medications turn to when they can't get or afford the street price of Px drugs? Heroin.

So while Carrie Fisher doesn't exactly fit this mold, she has a long history of suffering from mental health and addiction and had been a champion for breaking the taboo of mental health, helping countless other people who might not have otherwise come forward to seek help.

brandrea · 20 June 2017, 10:06 AM

Sad indeed. I guess I have a soft spot for anyone who suffers from addiction.

I'm out of this thread now.

Rest East Carrie

Canefan1 · 20 June 2017, 10:15 AM

I'm a pretty heavy drinker but I know it is not good for my health. Life's all about decisions and I have no sympathy for any addicts of any sort including myself. She paid a price for her lifestyle and that's it. We all know what we are doing.

jhilly8982 · 20 June 2017, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Canefan1

I'm a pretty heavy drinker but I know it is not good for my health. Life's all about decisions and I have no sympathy for any addicts of any sort including myself. She paid a price for her lifestyle and that's it. We all know what we are doing.

Well alcoholism and addiction is a progressive disease, at some point your ability to make a choice diminishes and your brain/body need for that substance makes the decision, you can't function without said substance.

Canefan1 · 20 June 2017, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jhilly8982

Well alcoholism and addiction is a progressive disease, at some point your ability to make a choice diminishes and your brain/body need for that substance makes the decision, you can't function without said substance.

I know right from wrong.

Old Expat Beast · 20 June 2017, 10:18 AM

I just saw on NBC Nightly News that overdosing is the biggest cause of death for under-50s in the USA. That came as a shock.

BristolCavendish · 20 June 2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I just saw on NBC Nightly News that overdosing is the biggest cause of death for under-50s in the USA. That came as a shock.

Interesting statistic. Given that Generation X (those born between 1965 and 1983) are moving up in age with the oldest of this age group being anywhere from 45-52, have the overdose and degenerative health numbers emanating from alcohol and drug abuse gradually changed hands to a newer and younger generation?

Abdullah71601 · 20 June 2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I just saw on NBC Nightly News that overdosing is the biggest cause of death for under-50s in the USA. That came as a shock.

NBC might be off a tad. It's not even on the radar.

Canefan1 · 20 June 2017, 10:37 AM

NBC nightly news = Fake news

BristolCavendish · 20 June 2017, 10:44 AM

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NBC nightly news = Fake news

"Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about. Strawberry Fields forever".

Old Expat Beast · 20 June 2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

NBC might be off a tad. It's not even on the radar.

Just saying what I saw. CBS recently said the same thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/overdose...cans-under-50/

superdog · 20 June 2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Just saying what I saw. CBS recently said the same thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/overdose...cans-under-50/

I heard today that opioids right now are the cause for more deaths than all the most recent current offenders over the last decade.

Is it true?

I don't know. But it's clearly a big deal either way.

Curious that so many people are looking to fill the void.

BristolCavendish · 20 June 2017, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by superdog

I heard today that opioids right now are the cause for more deaths than all the most recent current offenders over the last decade.

Is it true?

I don't know. But it's clearly a big deal either way.

Curious that so many people are looking to fill the void.

Opioid-based painkillers are readily available (both legally/illegally) and often over-prescribed by MDs. As far as 'filling the void', there are countless avenues and paths. Some are deadly while others are commercialized spiritual scams.

Canefan1 · 20 June 2017, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by superdog

I heard today that opioids right now are the cause for more deaths than all the most recent current offenders over the last decade.

Is it true?

I don't know. But it's clearly a big deal either way.

Curious that so many people are looking to fill the void.

Sorry Seth,we were typing at the same time. I share your opinion.

20 June 2017, 03:13 AM	#1
wantonebad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,849	Sad News about Carrie Fisher "There but for the grace of god go I" not passing judgement, just saying it must be very difficult for her friends and family after all of her struggles to have this news. Though most of them probably already knew this... http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2017...ews:newsletter LOS ANGELES (AP) — Carrie Fisher’s autopsy report shows the actress had cocaine in her system when she fell ill on a plane last year, but investigators could not determine what impact the cocaine and other drugs found in her system had on her death. The report released Monday states Fisher may have taken cocaine three days before the Dec. 23 flight on which she became ill. She died four days later. It also found traces of heroin and MDMA, which is also known as ecstasy, but that they could not determine when Fisher had taken those drugs. The findings were based on toxicology screenings done on samples taken when the ‘‘Star Wars’’ actress arrived at a Los Angeles hospital. Coroner’s officials ruled Fisher died from sleep apnea and a combination of other factors. A news release issued Friday mentioned drugs were found in Fisher’s system, but it did not provide details. Monday’s full report contains a detailed explanation of the results, such as why investigators believe Fisher took cocaine at least three days before her flight. ‘‘At this time the significance of cocaine cannot be established in this case,’’ the report states. It also states that while heroin is detectable in the system for a briefer period of time, investigators could not determine when Fisher took it or the ecstasy. ‘‘Ms. Fisher suffered what appeared to be a cardiac arrest on the airplane accompanied by vomiting and with a history of sleep apnea. Based on the available toxicological information, we cannot establish the significance of the multiple substances that were detected in Ms. Fisher’s blood and tissue, with regard to the cause of death,’’ the report states. Among the factors that contributed to Fisher’s death was buildup of fatty tissue in the walls of her arteries, the coroner’s office said last week. A phone message left for Fisher’s brother, Todd, was not immediately returned. Todd Fisher said Friday he was not surprised that drugs may have contributed to his sister’s death. ‘‘I would tell you, from my perspective that there’s certainly no news that Carrie did drugs,’’ Todd Fisher said. He noted that his sister wrote extensively about her drug use, and that many of the drugs she took were prescribed by doctors to try to treat her mental health conditions. Fisher long battled drug addiction and mental illness. She said she smoked pot at 13, used LSD by 21 and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 24. She was treated with electroshock therapy and medication. ‘‘I am not shocked that part of her health was affected by drugs,’’ Todd Fisher said. He said his sister’s heart condition was probably worsened by her smoking habit, as well as the medications she took. ‘‘If you want to know what killed her, it’s all of it,’’ he said. __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

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sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Very sad news. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

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MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Sad news indeed but unfortunately my tolerance for drug addicts is extremely low.

20 June 2017, 09:59 AM	#17
jhilly8982 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: chicago Posts: 334	Drugs destroy lives. Substance addiction is a problem that affects all walks of life. It doesn't seem like there are many tolerant or educated people in respect to what addictive drugs do to your brain. Sure, using and abusing illicit addictive substances is a poor life decision that can lead to much worse consequences but what about the over prescribing of legal opioids? Where do patients that were wrongly prescribed these legal medications turn to when they can't get or afford the street price of Px drugs? Heroin. So while Carrie Fisher doesn't exactly fit this mold, she has a long history of suffering from mental health and addiction and had been a champion for breaking the taboo of mental health, helping countless other people who might not have otherwise come forward to seek help.

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brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,136	Sad indeed. I guess I have a soft spot for anyone who suffers from addiction. I'm out of this thread now. Rest East Carrie

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Canefan1 Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Homestead Posts: 1,247	I'm a pretty heavy drinker but I know it is not good for my health. Life's all about decisions and I have no sympathy for any addicts of any sort including myself. She paid a price for her lifestyle and that's it. We all know what we are doing.

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Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I just saw on NBC Nightly News that overdosing is the biggest cause of death for under-50s in the USA. That came as a shock.

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Canefan1 Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Homestead Posts: 1,247	NBC nightly news = Fake news

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