Hublot rose gold ferrari vs Offshore 44mm steel

[Platona1]

Hi,
just wanted to see how many people here would actually be interested in that swap with no top-up from either ends. Straight swap.

Would you swap your steel offshore for a rose gold limited edition big bang?

Obviously the attractive aspect is that one is PM and the other not. And considering the MSRP of the Hublot, it makes it a good bang for your buck. I never really like Hublot but that one is worth looking at.

Please feel free to elaborate more.

[123Blueface]

The real thing for a wanna be in gold? No way.
Some day one of those AP's will be on my wrist.

[tyler1980]

i would not trade an AP in any metal for a PM Hublot (or any Hublot). Its a derivative brand and i prefer the original and not the copy.

[Platona1]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i would not trade an AP in any metal for a PM Hublot (or any Hublot). Its a derivative brand and i prefer the original and not the copy.

I see where you're coming from my friend. Cheers,

[Hairdude1]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i would not trade an AP in any metal for a PM Hublot (or any Hublot). Its a derivative brand and i prefer the original and not the copy.

This

[Platona1]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

The real thing for a wanna be in gold? No way.
Some day one of those AP's will be on my wrist.

Yeah and then you're going to want something else... 😛

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by Platona1

Yeah and then you're going to want something else... 😛

Are you my wife secretly on TRF unbeknownst to me?
I swear I have heard that repeatedly from her.
I guess immediately researching which watch to buy next the second I walk out of an AD with a new one gives me away.

[Platona1]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

Are you my wife secretly on TRF unbeknownst to me?
I swear I have heard that repeatedly from her.
I guess immediately researching which watch to buy next the second I walk out of an AD with a new one gives me away.

Hahaha glad to see that we are all on the same boat!!!

It is a vice circle but I can assure you that AP design is the one that will keep you satiated for the longest time. Tried most of Rolexes and don't care much for dress watches.

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i would not trade an AP in any metal for a PM Hublot (or any Hublot). Its a derivative brand and i prefer the original and not the copy.

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

The real thing for a wanna be in gold? No way.
Some day one of those AP's will be on my wrist.

To both of you it could be said AP copied hublot. Hublot started putting PM/steel watches on a rubber strap. After AP saw how popular it was, they copied hublot.

Also pretty sure the big bang was out before the offshore, but I could be wrong. Someone will check that I'm sure.

I'd trade a unico king gold for a steel offshore. Resale that unico king gold big bang will do better than the steel offshore. Plus it looks better. But I wouldn't trade a ferrari design one. Also the king gold unico is worth more second market than the steel offshore.

Too much hating biased view against hublot here. Biver is extremely well respected in the watch community. Arguably around the same level as Genta. Also my king power hublot I had kept time more accurately than my AP did for what it's worth.

I think it's only fair to compare likewise AP to likewise Hublot. If you do it that way, AP wins hands down every time. Next someone is going to post like a tourbillon hublot vs a ladies royal oak, and everyone is going to pick the royal oak just because. I mean, come on......

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by jem7v

To both of you it could be said AP copied hublot. Hublot started putting PM/steel watches on a rubber strap. After AP saw how popular it was, they copied hublot.

Also pretty sure the big bang was out before the offshore, but I could be wrong. Someone will check that I'm sure.

I'd trade a unico king gold for a steel offshore. Resale that unico king gold big bang will do better than the steel offshore. Plus it looks better. But I wouldn't trade a ferrari design one. Also the king gold unico is worth more second market than the steel offshore.

NO, not even close

Lets start with the origin story. Jean-Claude Biver who worked briefly at AP and then years later ran Hublot spoke in an interview on the Royal Oak origin story. Some think the design is related to a diving helmet, some think it is related to a porthole on a ship. JCB said he thinks it is related to a porthole on a ship which is an important first clue. Even if JCB is incorrect in the Royal Oak origin story, the porthole is definitely the inspiration of the very similar looking Patek Nautilus designed by the same person a few years later.

Hublot was designed from the beginning to rip off the Royal Oak. The word Hublot is French for “porthole” . Their first watch from 1980 was basically a Royal Oak on a strap.

Their two major product lines can be said to be very derivative of AP and they have built almost all of their success off of that. Their original watch from the 1980’s evolved into what is the classic fusion line of today which was relaunched by JCB in 2005 when he took over the company along with the Offshore derivative Big Bang at about the same time.

JCB said himself they are similar and he also said he likes the comparison of the Hublot to the design of the Royal Oak and Nautilus because it “it elevates Hublot to their level” by having them all in the same discussion.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

NO, not even close

Lets start with the origin story. Jean-Claude Biver who worked briefly at AP and then years later ran Hublot spoke in an interview on the Royal Oak origin story. Some think the design is related to a diving helmet, some think it is related to a porthole on a ship. JCB said he thinks it is related to a porthole on a ship which is an important first clue. Even if JCB is incorrect in the Royal Oak origin story, the porthole is definitely the inspiration of the very similar looking Patek Nautilus designed by the same person a few years later.

Hublot was designed from the beginning to rip off the Royal Oak. The word Hublot is French for “porthole” . Their first watch from 1980 was basically a Royal Oak on a strap.

Their two major product lines can be said to be very derivative of AP and they have built almost all of their success off of that. Their original watch from the 1980’s evolved into what is the classic fusion line of today which was relaunched by JCB in 2005 when he took over the company along with the Offshore derivative Big Bang at about the same time.

JCB said himself they are similar and he also said he likes the comparison of the Hublot to the design of the Royal Oak and Nautilus because it “it elevates Hublot to their level” by having them all in the same discussion.

This is what I had read on the subject.

I don't hate Hublot. I find them interesting as well but to my knowledge of the two, and personal taste, AP all the way.

I guess when you go on a site like David SW regularly that deals in so many high end watches and you never see a singl Hublot, yet lots of AP's come and go, and then the same with Takuya's site, it speaks volumes to me.

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

NO, not even close

Lets start with the origin story. Jean-Claude Biver who worked briefly at AP and then years later ran Hublot spoke in an interview on the Royal Oak origin story. Some think the design is related to a diving helmet, some think it is related to a porthole on a ship. JCB said he thinks it is related to a porthole on a ship which is an important first clue. Even if JCB is incorrect in the Royal Oak origin story, the porthole is definitely the inspiration of the very similar looking Patek Nautilus designed by the same person a few years later.

Hublot was designed from the beginning to rip off the Royal Oak. The word Hublot is French for “porthole” . Their first watch from 1980 was basically a Royal Oak on a strap.

Their two major product lines can be said to be very derivative of AP and they have built almost all of their success off of that. Their original watch from the 1980’s evolved into what is the classic fusion line of today which was relaunched by JCB in 2005 when he took over the company along with the Offshore derivative Big Bang at about the same time.

JCB said himself they are similar and he also said he likes the comparison of the Hublot to the design of the Royal Oak and Nautilus because it “it elevates Hublot to their level” by having them all in the same discussion.

This is true. But Genta did design the royal oak from the navy diving helmets. It's not something some think. It's even in the AP history book that a lot of people buy.

I was just saying the rubber strap on a PM watch was first started by hublot which is true. AP only was interested in luxury steel watches at the time. After they saw the success of the rubber strap, they made the offshore line.

And yes JCB said all of this in the hodinkee interview you are referencing with the quotes.

[Platona1]

Originally Posted by jem7v

This is true. But Genta did design the royal oak from the navy diving helmets. It's not something some think. It's even in the AP history book that a lot of people buy.

I was just saying the rubber strap on a PM watch was first started by hublot which is true. AP only was interested in luxury steel watches at the time. After they saw the success of the rubber strap, they made the offshore line.

And yes JCB said all of this in the hodinkee interview you are referencing with the quotes.

Both of you have some solid arguments. No winner here lol
Btw I used to date Biver's daughter Delphine back in 97 when he was at Blancpain. Had I stuck with her, do you think I would be famous in the watch game by now? 😂
I know who cares right smh!

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by jem7v

To both of you it could be said AP copied hublot. Hublot started putting PM/steel watches on a rubber strap. After AP saw how popular it was, they copied hublot.

Also pretty sure the big bang was out before the offshore, but I could be wrong. Someone will check that I'm sure.

I'd trade a unico king gold for a steel offshore. Resale that unico king gold big bang will do better than the steel offshore. Plus it looks better. But I wouldn't trade a ferrari design one. Also the king gold unico is worth more second market than the steel offshore.

Too much hating biased view against hublot here. Biver is extremely well respected in the watch community. Arguably around the same level as Genta. Also my king power hublot I had kept time more accurately than my AP did for what it's worth.

I think it's only fair to compare likewise AP to likewise Hublot. If you do it that way, AP wins hands down every time. Next someone is going to post like a tourbillon hublot vs a ladies royal oak, and everyone is going to pick the royal oak just because. I mean, come on......

AP launched the Royal Oak Offshore in 1993. Therefore, Hublot didn't copy AP as the Big Bang was released in 2005 after Mr. Biver —who had worked as European Sales Manager for Audemars Piguet—joined Hublot as CEO and shareholder in 2004. Clearly you can see where the inspiration for Hublot comes from.

Now, one thing I do need to point out, is that Hublot was indeed the first watch brand to utilize a rubber strap on their watches with the release of the MDM Genève Hublot in 1980.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Submarino

Now, one thing I do need to point out, is that Hublot was indeed the first watch brand to utilize a rubber strap on their watches with the release of the MDM Genève Hublot in 1980.

Actually, Blancpain, Omega, Rolex, and other manufacturers offered "Tropic straps" on their watches in the 1960s, Hublot didn't originate this either. :)

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...)-strap-thread

http://www.primermagazine.com/2016/s...o-watch-straps

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by improviz

Actually, Blancpain, Omega, Rolex, and other manufacturers offered "Tropic straps" on their watches in the 1960s, Hublot didn't originate this either. :)

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...)-strap-thread

http://www.primermagazine.com/2016/s...o-watch-straps

Hublot didn't pioneer the rubber strap. But putting a rubber strap on exotic watches was started by them. Exotic meaning pm or materials like sapphire or carbon.

Essentially they took super super high end watchmaking and gave it a more casual vibe. They were the first to do that. I mean how many companies sell a 100k+ watch on a rubber strap? Definitely it wasn't AP at the time hublot was doing it. And it wasn't anyone else.

[APAP]

No. Way.

[Minimalist]

No! I don't have a 44mm ROO (yet) but if I did I would never ever swap it for a Hublot.

[HL65]

No but I also would never own nor wear a Hublot.

[yoast]

Originally Posted by HL65

No but I also would never own nor wear a Hublot.

This

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by HL65

No but I also would never own nor wear a Hublot.

/thread

[bobernet]

Originally Posted by hl65

no but i also would never own nor wear a hublot.

+3

[Cru Jones]

I'm not a "Hublot snob", as I think they do have some (not many, but some) innovative things.

But, I wouldn't make this trade, as I can't get comfortable with the Ferrari co-branding.

[locutus49]

I own neither, but to my eye the Hublot looks kinda tacky with Ferrari printed on the side, etc. I would stick with AP, a known and classic brand. No offense intended.

[Andrés G]

Not in a million years. Keep the AP.

[roger0770]

Which do you like better? Aside from the watch being precious metal, what else do you like about that? I think it's important to go back to the basics and ask yourself what you like more. Personally I wouldn't do the trade because I like the Offshore look better. Simple as that. Good luck and let us know what you decide.

[AK797]

I compared an Ice Bang with a ROO a few years ago and found the ROO to feel more substantive and more finely detailed so even apart from the derivation I would pick an AP.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AK797

I compared an Ice Bang with a ROO a few years ago

With a name like that, whats not to love

I struggled for years with the idea of a Daytona because i really don't like NASCAR racing at all, and didn't want a watch with "daytona" written on the dial. It really killed the watch for me for a long time.

I think it will take significantly longer for me to be ok with having an incoming "Ice Bang"

[bayerische]

It's like trading your Ferrari for a Gold painted VW Bug. Nope.

[JorgeCCW]

I just read the word Hublot on your thread and thought whatever AP is he icomparing doesn't matter can't go Hublot. Then i thought I know I have a pretty bad conception of Hublot and I am being very Bias, but then I see the Ferrari Co-branding and think "yup my first bias impression was right". Panerai do a similar co-branding with them and I dislike those Ferrari-Paneari as well. Maybe this thread needs a Hublot lover to counter a lil , but thats another difficult task as well