SD4K Ceramic Thoughts

[hrdnox]

Hey Guys,
I'd like your thoughts on SD4K Ceramic. What was the retail pricing on it? Also, I see at least 4 to 5 on sale from 9200 to 9800 between TRF and TZ that have not been moving. I've heard they were never a popular watch in the first place. Will the limited numbers make it sought after in a few years time? Thanks all.

[viper]

My thoughts are it's awesome looking.

It retailed for 10,400.

Popular or not, if you want one pick one up, they ain't making anymore

[kilyung]

Love mine! Doubt it's ever leaving even if I get the 126600

[dardeca]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Love mine! Doubt it's ever leaving even if I get the 126600

+1 One of my favorites.

[Gharddog03]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=551530

[Scholar]

It was the best modern Sub. Its failure is an indictment of the current Rolex audience.

[fishingbear]

Get one while you can. The 116600 is a modern ceramic reference that was instantly turned into a classic.

[ap1]

Me likey

[DCheeta]

It's a fantastic wristwatch.

[nikesupremedunk]

On paper and on the wrist it was very different to me. I bought it because it sounded great on paper, but in the flesh I wasn't too impressed.

Seems the hype on these are coming down though. Asking prices are still high but doesn't look like they're selling at that price...

[harvey]

Similar comment to Andrew above. Looks amazing in pics but really underwhelming on the wrist.

I wanted to like it as I have an older seadweller.

[tgoose1]

Last of the 40mm size dwellers for sure.

[subtona]

Great watch. Pricing dipped to <8k before they were discontinued.

[Swiss Mad!]

Nobody has a crystal ball regarding future values so this should never really be a reason to buy a watch.
Also nobody other than Rolex know the real reason It was discontinued after such a short production life, but as you state the most likely reason is that it just wasn't popular and therefore not selling.
General opinion was that it looked too similar to a no date Sub. Almost like a Sub date with no Cyclops.
Personally, I think if it's not popular now, why would it suddenly become popular in 10 15 or 20 years time?
If you like it, buy it but do your research first.
Ring round, you never know there may Be an AD somewhere that still has one sitting gathering dust that you could negotiate a deal on.
Good luck

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[G Francis]

I had one and it never quite worked for me even after wearing it close for a year. It was too high on the wrist for a 40 m watch compared to a Sub but it did have the old case as opposed to the super case which was why I bought it. I sold it for a profit to someone speculating on them. I haven't missed it.

[glg]

I have it and enjoy it , if you want an sd but your wrist is not as big for the 43 sd, this is your watch , it has the best of two worlds , case dimensions similar to 5 digits and material technology as a 6 digit .
Sd was not as popular as the sub eitherway, the new sd with a cyclops is identical to sub, it's a big sub , so if you like sd DNA , 116600 is your watch .



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[Quailhunter]

I think Rolex is smart to offer large variants of the Sub for those who want something really different. They, the large and super large watches, satisfy a niche market. The downside is that niche markets tend to be small and fickle. It's anyone's guess if the big watch fanciers will change direction and start paying premium prices for these Sub variants.

[Moggo]

Amazing watch, definitely going to be highly sought after in years to come
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Oh, did I forget to say I own one :)


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[wb55]

The reason the ones on TZ hang around is because the difference before Basel vs after Basel is around £2k and it's hard to stomach for some. Before Basel being £1k under MSRP after being £1k over. Condition = very good but not BNIB which will be even higher.

It's the age old dilemma of "is a poorly selling watch really now highly desirably because when it was available no one wanted one but now that it isn't everyone does?"

[dmash]

Originally Posted by wb55

The reason the ones on TZ hang around is because the difference before Basel vs after Basel is around £2k and it's hard to stomach for some. Before Basel being £1k under MSRP after being £1k over. Condition = very good but not BNIB which will be even higher.

It's the age old dilemma of "is a poorly selling watch really now highly desirably because when it was available no one wanted one but now that it isn't everyone does?"

There's ones here not moving and they've been under MSRP for months. People got scared and paid ridiculous prices right at Basel, and they're already coming back down. You could buy like new ones for about $7500 before Basel though, so it will slowly start seeping back down to that IMO.

Originally Posted by lhanddds

The 1655 (Orange hand ExpII) was the worst selling watch for the brand, I believe. Now it commands near 20K.

Yeah, but you're comparing apples and oranges, as has been discussed on TRF at length. Any modern Rolex cannot be compared to a vintage piece (1665 ceased production, what, about 30 years ago?). Would also go as far as saying as any modern piece will never become a 'collectible', there's too many. I bet a 2015 SD4k is going to be the same price as a 2015 SubC in 10 years time. This is also how it was up until April of this year, they were essentially the same price.

[Moggo]

Aren't some of the vintage pieces that are most sought after ones that nobody really took to at the time, Paul Newman Daytona, not sure it was popular.

Others more knowledgeable may have better insight on this.


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[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by Moggo

Aren't some of the vintage pieces that are most sought after ones that nobody really took to at the time, Paul Newman Daytona, not sure it was popular.

Others more knowledgeable may have better insight on this.


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The 1655 (Orange hand ExpII) was the worst selling watch for the brand, I believe. Now it commands near 20K.

[wb55]

Originally Posted by Moggo

Aren't some of the vintage pieces that are most sought after ones that nobody really took to at the time, Paul Newman Daytona, not sure it was popular.

Others more knowledgeable may have better insight on this.


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Very true but some people seem to think that undesirable automatically means future classic/investment. An AD told me people were once fighting over the the white/orange and black/orange dial Milgauss' because they were so unpopular and assumed to be worth a fortune in 50+ years time to do rarity.

[teo]

Originally Posted by wb55

Very true but some people seem to think that undesirable automatically means future classic/investment. An AD told me people were once fighting over the the white/orange and black/orange dial Milgauss' because they were so unpopular and assumed to be worth a fortune in 50+ years time to do rarity.

After milgauss discontinue people will miss that orange thunder bolt hand. Just like 1655.

[Strummer25]

It's often said on here if it sings to you then buy it. I bought my 116600 over Sub and GMT and it never leaves my wrist. Short run will probably mean high price in 20 or 30 years, if so then great if not I have a great watch which I enjoy every single day

[dave023]

Originally Posted by Strummer25

It's often said on here if it sings to you then buy it. I bought my 116600 over Sub and GMT and it never leaves my wrist. Short run will probably mean high price in 20 or 30 years, if so then great if not I have a great watch which I enjoy every single day

[dmash]

Originally Posted by Strummer25

It's often said on here if it sings to you then buy it. I bought my 116600 over Sub and GMT and it never leaves my wrist. Short run will probably mean high price in 20 or 30 years, if so then great if not I have a great watch which I enjoy every single day

You have nothing really to worry about on 'retaining' value IMO, it's still a Rolex diver, black face, never will lose too much value. I like the watch and think it's a great package. It's more I just disagree with people who state this is going to be a collectible with skyrocketing values. But as you stated, who even cares as long as you love it!

[Calatrava r]

For me the balance is better with the SD40 over the Sub. But the difference is not that much. I think the added price, over the Sub, at the same 40mm with SD40 was the problem. This market is very price sensitive. Its the reason the Sub ND does so well selling at new retail. Just my take on it.

[hrdnox]

That's essentially the case with me as well-sd4k is similar to the sub so why pay the extra 2k, plus who is really using the watch to dive down to a thousand feet anyway. It was just that it would have been more attractive to me if the watch would appreciate over time, then again, no one can predict that. I'll probably stick with buying a sub c date.

[Muzz]

Amazing watch and still selling strong here so can't see them lasting too long.