Well, 44Ti just stopped winding

[APAP]

Not sure what's going on; but the 44ti now wouldn't wind. It's dead unless i rotate the rotor manually.

I noticed things went south when i kept the chronograph running for a few hours. It lost power immediately and then stopped.

44CE with stains, and now 44Ti that doesn't wind. Maybe the girl is right after all.

[GB-man]

Sorry to hear that buddy. I look forward to a new caliber for ROO chronos.

[Xerxes77]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Sorry to hear that buddy. I look forward to a new caliber for ROO chronos.

x2

[HK Islandboy]

Not good. I’m sorry to hear that.

I hope you have an APSC nearby

[peterpl]

Not good at all. I'm waiting for a new calibre as well.

AP need to focus on reliability and accuracy ALOT more in my eyes.

[conkers]

Sorry to hear.

I have had some issues recently but the way AP has handled them all has been exemplary so I cut them some slack.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by APAP

44CE with stains, and now 44Ti that doesn't wind. Maybe the girl is right after all.

This is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by conkers

Sorry to hear.

I have had some issues recently but the way AP has handled them all has been exemplary so I cut them some slack.

You're a VIP customer. They might have given you priority. Not sure others have similar treatment.

[G'ed]

Another day, another data not in favour of AP...

Hope everything sorted out nicely for you

[AK797]

Seems to be more AP issues coming up here, and just when they are tightening supply, not good timing.

[superstarmar]

Sorry to hear about your troubles ... just a thought , most
people rank AP quality and prestige above well you know ...
And how is AP more superior than Rolex ?
I know every manufacturer has its issues but this is
completely unacceptable coming from such an entity !!!
Way too much money spent to deal with this nonsense...

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Sorry to hear about your troubles ... just a thought , most

people rank AP quality and prestige above well you know ...

And how is AP more superior than Rolex ?

I know every manufacturer has its issues but this is

completely unacceptable coming from such an entity !!!

Way too much money spent to deal with this nonsense...

You buy an AP for the case finishing, brand history, movement finishing and general ability to execute high complications in a sports case.

Think of it as buying an Aston Martin for the sonorous v12.

Is it nice to have a Rolex as well? Of course they pair with AP like peanut butter and jelly. But don’t deny yourself the pleasure of owning an AP.

The only AP I really had issues with was the 44 with the DD chrono module. 1 out of 5 ain’t bad at all and they are painless to deal with.

[kingofthehill]

Originally Posted by GB-man

You buy an AP for the case finishing, brand history, movement finishing and general ability to execute high complications in a sports case.

Think of it as buying an Aston Martin for the sonorous v12.

Is it nice to have a Rolex as well? Of course they pair with AP like peanut butter and jelly. But don’t deny yourself the pleasure of owning an AP.

The only AP I really had issues with was the 44 with the DD chrono module. 1 out of 5 ain’t bad at all and they are painless to deal with.

Personally, I do not see why Audemars Piguet should not be targeting flawless reliability and operation and this recent spate of issues (whilst hard to judge as a real world incidence rate) does detract from my personal confidence in the manufacture. Ultimately, repeated issues will lead to higher maintenance costs over the lifetime of the piece when outside of warranty - something that will in the end sour owners' enjoyment and perception of the manufacture.

With that said, I think that such things need to be viewed in context; do we know whether Patek Philippe or Vacheron Constantin suffer the same level of issues?

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by kingofthehill

Personally, I do not see why Audemars Piguet should not be targeting flawless reliability and operation and this recent spate of issues (whilst hard to judge as a real world incidence rate) does detract from my personal confidence in the manufacture. Ultimately, repeated issues will lead to higher maintenance costs over the lifetime of the piece when outside of warranty - something that will in the end sour owners' enjoyment and perception of the manufacture.

With that said, I think that such things need to be viewed in context; do we know whether Patek Philippe or Vacheron Constantin suffer the same level of issues?

Haven’t had to deal with them yet, but heard PPis brutal

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by kingofthehill

Personally, I do not see why Audemars Piguet should not be targeting flawless reliability and operation and this recent spate of issues (whilst hard to judge as a real world incidence rate) does detract from my personal confidence in the manufacture. Ultimately, repeated issues will lead to higher maintenance costs over the lifetime of the piece when outside of warranty - something that will in the end sour owners' enjoyment and perception of the manufacture.

With that said, I think that such things need to be viewed in context; do we know whether Patek Philippe or Vacheron Constantin suffer the same level of issues?

Common sense would lend that they are targeting better reliability. You can do some research on PP and VC service and draw your own conclusions. In the US at least AP is superior in after sales care and superior warranty

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by kingofthehill

Personally, I do not see why Audemars Piguet should not be targeting flawless reliability and operation and this recent spate of issues (whilst hard to judge as a real world incidence rate) does detract from my personal confidence in the manufacture. Ultimately, repeated issues will lead to higher maintenance costs over the lifetime of the piece when outside of warranty - something that will in the end sour owners' enjoyment and perception of the manufacture.

With that said, I think that such things need to be viewed in context; do we know whether Patek Philippe or Vacheron Constantin suffer the same level of issues?

They are addressing it, albeit in a backwards manner. Extend the warranty and leave the underlying issues un fixed. Its a band-aid.

Objectively there are more issues on here with chronograph modules in particular in the last year or so than i have ever seen before. So its getting worse not better IMO. The vast majority of issues are brand new watches not older ones which points to a QC issue as its not a durability thing as they are broken pretty much right off the bat and probably left the factory with some sort of issue.

Patek service takes astronomically longer AFAIK, but i have not seen the same number of brand new watches being broken with them as i have with AP. They are different issues between the two brands, so i wouldn't directly compare in this way.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Sorry to hear about your troubles ... just a thought , most
people rank AP quality and prestige above well you know ...
And how is AP more superior than Rolex ?
I know every manufacturer has its issues but this is
completely unacceptable coming from such an entity !!!
Way too much money spent to deal with this nonsense...

In my experience the reliability of my APs has been "more superior than Rolex", as both my GMT and Polar Explorer broke and required servicing from Rolex, whereas I've never had a single issue with either of the APs I own.

How many APs have you owned again?

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by improviz

In my experience the reliability of my APs has been "more superior than Rolex", as both my GMT and Polar Explorer broke and required servicing from Rolex, whereas I've never had a single issue with either of the APs I own.

How many APs have you owned again?

I’ve owned five APs and three of them had to go back for service. I don’t know how many Rolexes I’ve had but I did have a submariner break once. AP makes a beautiful watch and I hope to always own them however they are remarkably delicate compared to tool watches like Rolex and incredibly overpriced for what you get. I don’t blame anyone who pays that much for a watch to be upset if the movement brakes. IMHO

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I’ve owned five APs and three of them had to go back for service. I don’t know how many Rolexes I’ve had but I did have a submariner break once. AP makes a beautiful watch and I hope to always own them however they are remarkably delicate compared to tool watches like Rolex and incredibly overpriced for what you get. I don’t blame anyone who pays that much for a watch to be upset if the movement brakes. IMHO

Agreed, and I'm certainly not trying to diminish that, my response was coming from the post to which I replied: it just grates on me when folks who have never owned an AP use threads like this to troll and dogpile on the brand. There are reports of problems in the Rolex forum all the time, but people here don't use them as a platform to engage in brand-bashing.

Rolex is a great brand (wearing my GMT today ), but in my experience they are far from trouble free. The following survey on the main TRF Rolex forum had roughly 27% issue rate with Rolexes that required return to Rolex, so for people to act as though the watches never break or have issues, and that every brand which does is junk, is wildly inaccurate and unsupported by the facts.

Here's the link to the Rolex reliability survey I mentioned.
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=419887

Plenty of issues with Rolex watches to go around. Mechanical stuff is not, cannot, and never will be as reliable as a simple quartz mechanism, it is a labor of love to own these little beasties. :)

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by improviz

in my experience the reliability of my aps has been "more superior than rolex", as both my gmt and polar explorer broke and required servicing from rolex, whereas i've never had a single issue with either of the aps i own.

How many aps have you owned again?

zero!!!

Joking aside haven’t got a flavor for their designs ...

[peterpl]

Honestly for the price bracket we are talking about the influx of issues I have seen say within the last 12-24 months it NOT acceptable.

Your paying premium for a quality product and everyone should expect it. Not something that the engine breaks down.

[P2725TMB]

Then don't buy it. Your prerogative...

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by P2725TMB

Then don't buy it. Your prerogative...

Its funny whenever there is negative feedback on certain brands people get all cut up. Why?

There should be emphasis and encouragement for BOTH positive reviews and negative reviews of experiences no matter what brand. Only then does it give rise to consumers to review and make their own decisions on their expectations and what potentially can happen.

No point only having positive reviews of a brand be it Rolex, Patek or AP or whatever.

[G'ed]

Wish we could do an AMA with the CEO over here...

[P2725TMB]

I'm not cut up and do agree its not ideal. I just get fed up with people moaning about it, particularly when some aren't even AP clients.

I currently have three APs of which the first did have an issue. However AP London sorted it very efficiently and in good time and have looked after me well since, so as far as I'm concerned I have no complaints.

However I would add that if they hadn't sorted it efficiently and looked after me, I'd probably now be an ex AP-client.

[Chary]

I've had over 20+ APs and have had 2-3 with problems, I've had over 40+ Rolexes and maybe 3-4 with problems and I've had maybe 20 casios... and never had a problem.. hmmm maybe I should stick to Casio's... lol....

[rolex75216]

Bummer. :(

[Star Ferry]

Sounds like cost cutting. It's cheaper to do warranty work on 5 or 10 percent (hypothetical figure) of stock than perform rigorous QC on 100 percent before shipping

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

Sounds like cost cutting. It's cheaper to do warranty work on 5 or 10 percent (hypothetical figure) of stock than perform rigorous QC on 100 percent before shipping

clearly the latest batch of DD modules is bad. Surely it would be easier to service them prior to shipping than to wait for them to come back and do it again. I honestly think the new batch is failing at a much higher rate than 10%. There has been a huge spike on here in the past year. Maybe averaged out its 5-10% of all new and old models, but with just the new ones its higher. Has to be.

This is 100% the reason i want the in-house chrono to replace the ROO movements as opposed to the ROC movement as that one is very solid, they probably won't though as they already consider the ROO movement in house despite the module. They need to do something to replace the DD module.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

clearly the latest batch of DD modules is bad. Surely it would be easier to service them prior to shipping than to wait for them to come back and do it again. I honestly think the new batch is failing at a much higher rate than 10%. There has been a huge spike on here in the past year. Maybe averaged out its 5-10% of all new and old models, but with just the new ones its higher. Has to be.

My thinking was, let's say 92% of product never comes back for warranty work. If upping this to 99% would cost $500 per unit (for all units), then it's costing them $7000 per unit within that 7% "improved" group.

But as with a lot of the watch companies, we can only guess how things work. I am not afraid to buy another AP, as long as I'm buying new with warranty.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

My thinking was, let's say 92% of product never comes back for warranty work. If upping this to 99% would cost $500 per unit (for all units), then it's costing them $7000 per unit within that 7% "improved" group.

But as with a lot of the watch companies, we can only guess how things work. I am not afraid to buy another AP, as long as I'm buying new with warranty.

i get the logic as its cost/benefit. The issue with AP is with such low production numbers to begin with as opposed to Rolex the problem seems amplified. There are not that many watches out there but we are hearing about a lot of issues.

There are members with 20%, 30%, or in my case 50% failure rates in their ROO chronograph collection. Im not suggesting 50% is the actual failure rate but it sure seems like that when its your watch.