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YYD · 19 November 2008, 09:57 PM

I inhereted a Datejust 1600 from my father. It was made in 1970. I tried to find out the calibre inside that watch and got some conflicting and confusing information from various websites. Here are some samples:

One says it's calibre 1565/1575

Several say that it's calibre 1570 with date, but one says that 1570 does not have a date and is only used in Explore 1.

One says it's calilbre 1575 but stamped as 1570.

Yet another says calibre 1575 has a GMT hand, which is clearly not for Datejust.

Clearly, my head is spinning in all directions

Can someone help me?!

Andad · 19 November 2008, 10:08 PM

Hi YYD,

Welcome to the forum. Nice pix and nice Datejust in good condition for an old boy.
IMO that has a 1570 non-quickset movement.

Enjoy wearing it.

padi56 · 19 November 2008, 10:09 PM

The 1600 DJ from around mid 1960s to around 1977 should have the 19800 BPH Cal 1575.From 1977/88 the Cal 3035 from 1988/9 on the cal 3135

Andad · 19 November 2008, 10:15 PM

Oops, so much for my opinion mate.

Makes me want to take the back off my old 1970 DJ and check.

toph · 19 November 2008, 10:24 PM

the 1570 does not have a quickset date
whereas the 1575 does.
what does your watch have?

Also the 1575 had a vartiation with a GMT function

P.S sorry missed Padi's post- he will be right

YYD · 19 November 2008, 10:27 PM

It does not have a quickset date.

padi56 · 19 November 2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYD

It does not have a quickset date.

Then should be whats called the Cal 1570/5 with date are you sure your watch is not made before 1970 get the back off to be certain.

YYD · 19 November 2008, 10:39 PM

The serial number is 291xxxx. Based on the refernce table I saw on the net, it should be 1970.

toph · 19 November 2008, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYD

The serial number is 291xxxx. Based on the refernce table I saw on the net, it should be 1970.

1969 i reckon.
1970 started 295 xxxx as far as i am aware

YYD · 19 November 2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by toph

1969 i reckon.
1970 started 295 xxxx as far as i am aware

That's what I thought first, but I found a webpage that seems to indicate it's 1970, see http://www.movements.dk/rolex_serial_nos.shtml

toph · 20 November 2008, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYD

That's what I thought first, but I found a webpage that seems to indicate it's 1970, see http://www.movements.dk/rolex_serial_nos.shtml

there seems to be a few conflicting sources but we know 69 or 70 I suppose

Tools · 20 November 2008, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by YYD

That's what I thought first, but I found a webpage that seems to indicate it's 1970, see http://www.movements.dk/rolex_serial_nos.shtml

You can't take any serial number list as absolutely factual..

Rolex simply does not provide that information and all lists are compiled by word of mouth....and they are all actually based on when a particular serial number was sold....

consider it an estimate of the date manufactured, until you find evidence otherwise..

For your watch, I would also go with a ~1969 production date based on the serial and features.

xtra3cats · 20 November 2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by YYD

That's what I thought first, but I found a webpage that seems to indicate it's 1970, see http://www.movements.dk/rolex_serial_nos.shtml

Nice vintage watch in very good shape. Fist time I've seen this reference, better than the one's I use before.

padi56 · 19 November 2008, 11:45 PM

I would not worry to much about the movement the 1570/5 with date or without date or cal 1575 are all very similar main difference one is used in the GMT .And IMHO the 15XX series the finest movements Rolex have ever made to date,very over engineered long lasting movements IMO your watch is slightly before 1970.

Gasoil4ever · 20 November 2008, 12:16 AM

I had nothing to do in this Topic...

But just one thing to say : i am AMAZED by the amount of knowledge you guys have !

Andad · 20 November 2008, 05:22 PM

Mine is 276...... and is a non quickset. I will take the back off tonight and take some pix.

YYD · 20 November 2008, 06:11 PM

I want to do that too, but how? Special tools needed?

I did some searching on the web today (instead of doing work, bad me

). Did not find anything on DJ 1600. However, in Antiquorum's recent auction catalog (Nov 08) , there was a DJ 1601 from 1965 with calibre listed as 1570.

I am venturing a guess: calibre 1575 is the same as calibre 1570 with date?

SLS · 20 November 2008, 06:16 PM

my 1680 has the cal 1570 in it, it's also been referred to as the 1570/5 because it has the date function...just one of those wierd things Rolex did! Little did they know how confusing they would make things!
~Scott

swatty · 20 November 2008, 07:06 PM

My circa 1977 1601 has a calibre 1570 . I doesn't have a quickset date

swatty · 20 November 2008, 07:42 PM

Just took a quick pic

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YYD · 20 November 2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by swatty

Just took a quick pic

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Great picture! I wish I know how to pop open the back myself.

Lol-x · 20 November 2008, 07:55 PM

I have both a 1601 and a 1600.
They are both Date-Justs made in the 1970's The only difference is:
1601 has a fluted bezel and jubilee bracelet.
1600 has a flat bezel and an oyster bracelet.
Both have 26 jewels and power reserve of around 42 hours.

Both watches have 1575 movements which do not have a quick set date. They are 1570 movements with date features.
Incredible movement and found in other watches like the SD 1665 and the 1680 Sub.
Sometimes the movement is marked 1570 but it is really a 1575

YYD your watch looks great to me and accords with my 1600.

YYD · 20 November 2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I have both a 1601 and a 1600.
They are both Date-Justs made in the 1970's The only difference is:
1601 has a fluted bezel and jubilee bracelet.
1600 has a flat bezel and an oyster bracelet.
Both have 26 jewels and power reserve of around 42 hours.

Both watches have 1575 movements which do not have a quick set date. They are 1570 movements with date features.
Incredible movement and found in other watches like the SD 1665 and the 1680 Sub.
Sometimes the movement is marked 1570 but it is really a 1575

YYD your watch looks great to me and accords with my 1600.

Thanks. I had it serviced last year in Shanghai. Runs very well too

Lol-x · 20 November 2008, 08:00 PM

There is a Rolex caliber 1575 movement with 19,800 bph and a Rolex caliber 1575-GMT, 19,800 bph.

The 1575-GMT movement is fitted to the Rolex GMT model 1675 GMT and the 1655 Explorer II (orange 24 hour hand)

Andad · 21 November 2008, 07:55 PM

Had a look inside my old DateJust. It was the first Rolex I bought - I thought it was a 1970 (276****) but it is stamped 11.71.
Excellent condition inside for 37 years old this month.

Happy Birthday.

swatty · 21 November 2008, 08:03 PM

Looks the same as mine Eddie

, I've got the same tool set

YYD · 21 November 2008, 11:31 PM

Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge and your watches with me. Now I am going to show off "my knowledge" in the Rolex Chinese forums. Cheers.

sea-dweller · 22 November 2008, 01:44 AM

That's a classic !

19 November 2008, 09:57 PM	#1
YYD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 40	Question on DateJust I inhereted a Datejust 1600 from my father. It was made in 1970. I tried to find out the calibre inside that watch and got some conflicting and confusing information from various websites. Here are some samples: One says it's calibre 1565/1575 Several say that it's calibre 1570 with date, but one says that 1570 does not have a date and is only used in Explore 1. One says it's calilbre 1575 but stamped as 1570. Yet another says calibre 1575 has a GMT hand, which is clearly not for Datejust. Clearly, my head is spinning in all directions Can someone help me?! Attached Images

19 November 2008, 10:08 PM	#2
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Hi YYD, Welcome to the forum. Nice pix and nice Datejust in good condition for an old boy. IMO that has a 1570 non-quickset movement. Enjoy wearing it. __________________ E

19 November 2008, 10:09 PM	#3
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,062	The 1600 DJ from around mid 1960s to around 1977 should have the 19800 BPH Cal 1575.From 1977/88 the Cal 3035 from 1988/9 on the cal 3135 __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

19 November 2008, 10:15 PM	#4
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Oops, so much for my opinion mate. Makes me want to take the back off my old 1970 DJ and check. __________________ E

19 November 2008, 10:24 PM	#5
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	the 1570 does not have a quickset date whereas the 1575 does. what does your watch have? Also the 1575 had a vartiation with a GMT function P.S sorry missed Padi's post- he will be right __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795 Last edited by toph; 19 November 2008 at 10:30 PM.. Reason: P.S

19 November 2008, 10:27 PM	#6
YYD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 40	It does not have a quickset date.

19 November 2008, 10:39 PM	#8
YYD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 40	The serial number is 291xxxx. Based on the refernce table I saw on the net, it should be 1970.

19 November 2008, 11:45 PM	#14
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,062	I would not worry to much about the movement the 1570/5 with date or without date or cal 1575 are all very similar main difference one is used in the GMT .And IMHO the 15XX series the finest movements Rolex have ever made to date,very over engineered long lasting movements IMO your watch is slightly before 1970. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

20 November 2008, 12:16 AM	#15
Gasoil4ever "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cameroun Watch: GS Snowflake Posts: 1,534	I had nothing to do in this Topic... But just one thing to say : i am AMAZED by the amount of knowledge you guys have !

20 November 2008, 05:22 PM	#16
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Mine is 276...... and is a non quickset. I will take the back off tonight and take some pix. Attached Images __________________ E

20 November 2008, 06:11 PM	#17
YYD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 40	I want to do that too, but how? Special tools needed? I did some searching on the web today (instead of doing work, bad me). Did not find anything on DJ 1600. However, in Antiquorum's recent auction catalog (Nov 08) , there was a DJ 1601 from 1965 with calibre listed as 1570. I am venturing a guess: calibre 1575 is the same as calibre 1570 with date?

20 November 2008, 06:16 PM	#18
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	my 1680 has the cal 1570 in it, it's also been referred to as the 1570/5 because it has the date function...just one of those wierd things Rolex did! Little did they know how confusing they would make things! ~Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

20 November 2008, 07:06 PM	#19
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	My circa 1977 1601 has a calibre 1570 . I doesn't have a quickset date

20 November 2008, 07:42 PM	#20
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	Just took a quick pic [IMG][/IMG]

20 November 2008, 07:55 PM	#22
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	I have both a 1601 and a 1600. They are both Date-Justs made in the 1970's The only difference is: 1601 has a fluted bezel and jubilee bracelet. 1600 has a flat bezel and an oyster bracelet. Both have 26 jewels and power reserve of around 42 hours. Both watches have 1575 movements which do not have a quick set date. They are 1570 movements with date features. Incredible movement and found in other watches like the SD 1665 and the 1680 Sub. Sometimes the movement is marked 1570 but it is really a 1575 YYD your watch looks great to me and accords with my 1600. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

20 November 2008, 08:00 PM	#24
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	There is a Rolex caliber 1575 movement with 19,800 bph and a Rolex caliber 1575-GMT, 19,800 bph. The 1575-GMT movement is fitted to the Rolex GMT model 1675 GMT and the 1655 Explorer II (orange 24 hour hand) __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

21 November 2008, 07:55 PM	#25
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Had a look inside my old DateJust. It was the first Rolex I bought - I thought it was a 1970 (276****) but it is stamped 11.71. Excellent condition inside for 37 years old this month. Happy Birthday. Attached Images __________________ E

21 November 2008, 08:03 PM	#26
swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	Looks the same as mine Eddie , I've got the same tool set

21 November 2008, 11:31 PM	#27
YYD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 40	Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge and your watches with me. Now I am going to show off "my knowledge" in the Rolex Chinese forums. Cheers.

22 November 2008, 01:44 AM	#28
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	That's a classic ! __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

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