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tlbarrs · 28 January 2018, 05:21 AM

Hi guys what’s your thoughts on this please.
It’s a 1999 no box or papers but from a well respected trader and it’s under £5000 !
Do you think it’s a solid investment bearing in mind I would probably send it in for a RSC for a service so would have to fillter that in to the equation.

Many thanks 😃

tlbarrs · 28 January 2018, 05:38 AM

Side shot.

Thuilln · 28 January 2018, 05:38 AM

A solid investment ? Probably not at all. A nice watch? Yes.

tie219 · 28 January 2018, 06:16 AM

Wouldn't call it an investment piece but there's a strong chance that if you chose to sell it in the future, you would make a little money or at worst break even. Looks good for the asking price

fleabag · 28 January 2018, 06:24 AM

I’d rather have a full set , it’s like buying a Ferrari with no service history , save up the extra money.

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rgwarden · 28 January 2018, 07:41 AM

Any Pepsi is now a solid investment. You won’t lose anything put it that way.

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offrdmania · 28 January 2018, 09:13 AM

Is that a 78790A bracelet? Did those come on a 16710 with lug holes?

GLADIATOR · 28 January 2018, 09:46 AM

From what I can see on the dial photo, watch is fake.
Proceed with caution- request a movement photo
Adam

freefly · 29 January 2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

From what I can see on the dial photo, watch is fake.

No.

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

Is that a 78790A bracelet? Did those come on a 16710 with lug holes?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by dera

Bezel looks aftermarket.

No.

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Sorry, I dont elaborate on forums, but from what I can see this is fake

Again, no.

springer · 30 January 2018, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

From what I can see on the dial photo, watch is fake.
Proceed with caution- request a movement photo
Adam

How did you come up with this assertion? Claiming it is fake is when it is clearly genuine doesn't help anyone here.

GLADIATOR · 30 January 2018, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

How did you come up with this assertion? Claiming it is fake is when it is clearly genuine doesn't help anyone here.

Well comparing it too the one you posted still looks incorrect to me.

OP can make his own decision. I still say fake which in my opinion needs further checking.
I am happy for OP to go with your thoughts, its a "free" world
Best
adam

Abdullah71601 · 30 January 2018, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Well comparing it too the one you posted still looks incorrect to me.

OP can make his own decision. I still say fake which in my opinion needs further checking.
I am happy for OP to go with your thoughts, its a "free" world
Best
adam

Rule #6 of this subforum requires some justification for a declaration of fake. Since you haven’t seen the movement, how do you justify your declaration that the movement is fake?

Knappo 1307 · 30 January 2018, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

From what I can see on the dial photo, watch is fake.
Proceed with caution- request a movement photo
Adam

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

That may be the least of the issues, from what I can see movement is fake!

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Sorry, I dont elaborate on forums, but from what I can see this is fake

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

The new Super fakes now function correctly
A

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Well comparing it too the one you posted still looks incorrect to me.

OP can make his own decision. I still say fake which in my opinion needs further checking.
I am happy for OP to go with your thoughts, its a "free" world
Best
adam

You need to take a step back and relax. More times than not, you right off, start claiming things are fake. Many times the real experts come on and completely go against everything you've said. If you 100% do not know, and only go on a hunch, do the people asking for advice a favor and please withhold your comment.I know you are going to come back with "I've saved many people from buying fakes" and that's great, but unless you know for absolute certain, you are doing no one any justice.

springer · 30 January 2018, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Well comparing it too the one you posted still looks incorrect to me.

OP can make his own decision. I still say fake which in my opinion needs further checking.
I am happy for OP to go with your thoughts, its a "free" world
Best
adam

The watch posted by the OP is identical to the one I posted - right down to the bezel insert.

I'm well aware of the "super fakes" and this isn't one - nothing from the photos indicates it as such.

I read many of your posts here with incorrect suppositions. Please be more diligent, posting incorrect info serves no useful purpose - especially if you want to be taken seriously.

Old Expat Beast · 30 January 2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by springer

The watch posted by the OP is identical to the one I posted - right down to the bezel insert.

I'm well aware of the "super fakes" and this isn't one - nothing from the photos indicates it as such.

I read many of your posts here with incorrect suppositions. Please be more diligent, posting incorrect info serves no useful purpose - especially if you want to be taken seriously.

x2

Abdullah71601 · 30 January 2018, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by freefly

As above, I am guessing he (incorrectly) thinks the hand-stack is wrong.
I say "guessing" because he doesn't seem to ever want to discuss (or learn apparently) why he thinks something is off, when brought to task.
He just pulls out the "we don't discuss it" line, or the "you are entitled to your opinion" retort...

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

The watch posted by the OP is identical to the one I posted - right down to the bezel insert.

I'm well aware of the "super fakes" and this isn't one - nothing from the photos indicates it as such.

I read many of your posts here with incorrect suppositions. Please be more diligent, posting incorrect info serves no useful purpose - especially if you want to be taken seriously.

IIRC, Gladiator has some sort of business where he teaches people how to spot a fake luxury watch. He has a vested interest in not admitting he isn't an expert.

freefly · 30 January 2018, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rgwarden

My question is how do you judge its ‘movement’ without having seen it?

On a GMT, the hand stack order can tell you if the movement is not correct for the particular reference.
If it's wrong, then it's a dead giveaway. If it's correct, that is still no guarantee that the watch is genuine (there are plenty of fakes GMTs out there with the correct hand stack). It's simply one piece of the puzzle in determining authenticity.

In this case, I am guessing he (Gladiator) mistakenly thinks the hand stack is not correct, possibly due to the sub-optimal photo. However, anyone with enough experience can see that there is no such issue with the hand stack on the OP watch pictured. That brings up another key factor, which is being able to "read" a photograph, and understand the concepts/fundamentals of lighting, shadows/reflections, compression/artifacts, etc.

rgwarden · 30 January 2018, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freefly

On a GMT, the hand stack order can tell you if the movement is not correct for the particular reference.

If it's wrong, then it's a dead giveaway. If it's correct, that is still no guarantee that the watch is genuine (there are plenty of fakes GMTs out there with the correct hand stack). It's simply one piece of the puzzle in determining authenticity.

In this case, I am guessing he (Gladiator) mistakenly thinks the hand stack is not correct, possibly due to the sub-optimal photo. However, anyone with enough experience can see that there is no such issue with the hand stack on the OP watch pictured. That brings up another key factor, which is being able to "read" a photograph, and understand the concepts/fundamentals of lighting, shadows/reflections, compression/artifacts, etc.

Many thanks. An informed post. That’s what I was looking for on this thread.

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dera · 28 January 2018, 11:50 AM

Bezel looks aftermarket.

GLADIATOR · 28 January 2018, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dera

Bezel looks aftermarket.

That may be the least of the issues, from what I can see movement is fake!

rgwarden · 29 January 2018, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

That may be the least of the issues, from what I can see movement is fake!

Movement is fake? How are you judging that? I agree opening it up would give us the answer but am I missing something you’re ‘seeing’?

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GLADIATOR · 29 January 2018, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rgwarden

Movement is fake? How are you judging that? I agree opening it up would give us the answer but am I missing something you’re ‘seeing’?

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Sorry, I dont elaborate on forums, but from what I can see this is fake

rgwarden · 29 January 2018, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rgwarden

Movement is fake? How are you judging that? I agree opening it up would give us the answer but am I missing something you’re ‘seeing’?

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But you haven’t ‘seen’ the movement. And here you claim you have. He hasn’t posted a photo of it. ‘From what I can see movement is fake’ That’s like a riddle unless you have X-ray vision.
Maybe the forum should ban any queries about authenticity and we should ban answering, particularly if you don’t and won’t elaborate on forums.

Just for clarity my question isn’t ‘how is it fake?’ because we (correctly) don’t discuss fakes. My question is how do you judge its ‘movement’ without having seen it?
And I stick to my former (and more guarded) pronouncement for the OP - if the price seems too good to be true it most probably is.

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springer · 30 January 2018, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dera

Bezel looks aftermarket.

It might look like it is to you, but it isn't!!!

dera · 2 February 2018, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

It might look like it is to you, but it isn't!!!

I'll admit, I was wrong here. I'd never seen a "serif" font Pepsi insert like this. I did more research and apparently they do exist.
Everything else on the watch looks good to me.

tlbarrs · 28 January 2018, 06:39 PM

Thanks for all your reply’s guys it’s much appreciated.
I’m a little bit worried now with Gladiator thinking it may be a fake so will probably leave it.

springer · 30 January 2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tlbarrs

Thanks for all your reply’s guys it’s much appreciated.
I’m a little bit worried now with Gladiator thinking it may be a fake so will probably leave it.

Why don't you do some research and compare the watch to known examples and you'll clearly see that Gladiator is wrong.

If the watch you posted is fake - that means the one I posted is fake too and I assure you it is not. It's identical to the one you posted.

Here are some more genuine GMTs:

Andad · 28 January 2018, 07:37 PM

Yes, pass on that one.

fleabag · 29 January 2018, 03:47 AM

Sometimes cheap is not the best ....If this helps you :-
WC has a 2005 full set minter 8.5k.
Blowers has a 2000 full set 7.5k.

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rgwarden · 29 January 2018, 09:35 AM

All you need to do is pull the crown out and see if the 3185 is working as it should ie separate hour movement with the ‘wiggle’.
I’m pretty sure there’s still no fake that’s managed to replicate it.

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28 January 2018, 05:21 AM	#1
tlbarrs "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Mark Location: uk Derbyshire Posts: 434	Pepsi help Hi guys what’s your thoughts on this please. It’s a 1999 no box or papers but from a well respected trader and it’s under £5000 ! Do you think it’s a solid investment bearing in mind I would probably send it in for a RSC for a service so would have to fillter that in to the equation. Many thanks 😃 Attached Images

28 January 2018, 05:38 AM	#2
tlbarrs "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Mark Location: uk Derbyshire Posts: 434	Side shot. Attached Images

28 January 2018, 05:38 AM	#3
Thuilln "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Nick Location: YUL Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,936	A solid investment ? Probably not at all. A nice watch? Yes. __________________ Nick _________________________________________ 14060M - 114200 - 114270 - 214270 - 16710BLRO - 16570 - 3570.50 - Cartier Tank Solo - Cartier Tank Française ‘Yearling’ - CWC Navy Diver

28 January 2018, 09:13 AM	#7
offrdmania 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,998	Is that a 78790A bracelet? Did those come on a 16710 with lug holes? __________________ TRF Member 11738

28 January 2018, 09:46 AM	#8
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	From what I can see on the dial photo, watch is fake. Proceed with caution- request a movement photo Adam __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

28 January 2018, 06:16 AM	#4
tie219 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Real Name: Troy Location: Houston, TX Watch: 16710 GMT, BBR Posts: 926	Wouldn't call it an investment piece but there's a strong chance that if you chose to sell it in the future, you would make a little money or at worst break even. Looks good for the asking price

28 January 2018, 06:24 AM	#5
fleabag "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,212	I’d rather have a full set , it’s like buying a Ferrari with no service history , save up the extra money. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 January 2018, 07:41 AM	#6
rgwarden "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: London Watch: 124270 Posts: 537	Any Pepsi is now a solid investment. You won’t lose anything put it that way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 January 2018, 11:50 AM	#19
dera "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,372	Bezel looks aftermarket.

28 January 2018, 06:39 PM	#26
tlbarrs "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Mark Location: uk Derbyshire Posts: 434	Thanks for all your reply’s guys it’s much appreciated. I’m a little bit worried now with Gladiator thinking it may be a fake so will probably leave it.

28 January 2018, 07:37 PM	#28
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,533	Yes, pass on that one. __________________ E

29 January 2018, 03:47 AM	#29
fleabag "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,212	Pepsi help Sometimes cheap is not the best ....If this helps you :- WC has a 2005 full set minter 8.5k. Blowers has a 2000 full set 7.5k. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

29 January 2018, 09:35 AM	#30
rgwarden "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: London Watch: 124270 Posts: 537	All you need to do is pull the crown out and see if the 3185 is working as it should ie separate hour movement with the ‘wiggle’. I’m pretty sure there’s still no fake that’s managed to replicate it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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