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breitlings · 6 March 2018, 01:02 AM

Just read on the does rolex read trf thread that rolex is beneath JLC. While I know brands like JLC and Zenith have made their own movements after the swatch group move, and I respect JLC; I would not rank them above Rolex.

What is your take on Rolex vs JLC?

AEC · 6 March 2018, 01:04 AM

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wach16 · 6 March 2018, 01:20 AM

Like any argument, it depends on the criteria. JLC makes ultra complicated watches and Rolex does not. Both are robustly built, have a real history of innovation and technical firsts. I think a more apt comparison would be a model vs. model one personally

beshannon · 6 March 2018, 01:32 AM

Both are fine timepieces.

JLC however has a longer and more impressive history in the world of Horology. Over the years JLC has supplied movements to Patek, Cartier, IWC, AP and Vacheron. Their list of achievements, innovations and patents would rank them near the top.

https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php...eger-LeCoultre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaeger-LeCoultre

genkifd · 6 March 2018, 01:47 AM

totally agree with the above. JLC horology out guns Rolex. imo my only love with JLC is their reverso. pitty the rectangular shape does not suit me

Drixonite · 6 March 2018, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by genkifd

totally agree with the above. JLC horology out guns Rolex. imo my only love with JLC is their reverso. pitty the rectangular shape does not suit me

Yeah, square watches are kind of hard to pull off.

The new Master Control with sector dial is an absolute stunner. If only they'd remove the date window. Limited run they say but still seems you can find them in stores/online (maybe just selling off the rest of the ones produced through 12/31/2017).

Lugduno · 6 March 2018, 02:43 AM

[QUOTE=Drixonite;8341023]Yeah, square watches are kind of hard to pull off.

The new Master Control with sector dial is an absolute stunner. If only they'd remove the date window. Limited run they say but still seems you can find them in stores/online (maybe just selling off the rest of the ones produced through 12/31/2017).

That is a really cool watch! Tried it on during my last trip to Hong Kong and must say that very few photos online manage to catch the dial in a fair way, looks much more stunning in the metal! The date is slightly large, but it’s nice that they’ve used the same blue colour for the date as the rest of the dial.

Also tried the sector chronograph, which was actually a bit nicer than the three hand version IMHO.

Jack T · 6 March 2018, 01:45 AM

It would not frame it as JLC versus Rolex, as they aren't necessarily comparable. I see Jaeger as much smaller in scale, more craft-like, refined, precision movements and less focused on sports models.

Rolex is savvy commercial behemoth, the Mercedes of high end watches compared to Ferrari or McLaren, in which manufacturing precision is the focus.

breitlings · 6 March 2018, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack T

It would not frame it as JLC versus Rolex, as they aren't necessarily comparable. I see Jaeger as much smaller in scale, more craft-like, refined, precision movements and less focused on sports models.

Rolex is savvy commercial behemoth, the Chevrolet of high end watches, in which manufacturing precision is the focus.

I've had a chevy. I would love it if it ran like a rolex.

civicHB · 6 March 2018, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by breitlings

I've had a chevy. I would love it if it ran like a rolex.

maybe Toyota is a better comparison. Toyota's run for a long time with minimal maintenance and hold their value well

gegarrenton · 6 March 2018, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by breitlings

Just read on the does rolex read trf thread that rolex is beneath JLC. While I know brands like JLC and Zenith have made their own movements after the swatch group move, and I respect JLC; I would not rank them above Rolex.

What is your take on Rolex vs JLC?

I'm surprised you wouldn't rank JLC over Rolex to be honest.

breitlings · 6 March 2018, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gegarrenton

I'm surprised you wouldn't rank JLC over Rolex to be honest.

I only had one JLC movement, and one clock. It was in an early AP RO (the serial number was like 123 or something) and it ran completely irrationally, I ended up losing the watch because the sellers took it back to fix it, never sent it back then went out of business. So my only interaction with them is not that great, outside of the clock which is nice. Maybe I'll upload a picture of it.

daveo5 · 6 March 2018, 02:26 AM

Rolex = Toyota. Traded my 4 Runner last year for a BMW. Had my Toy for 12 years. Other than regular service. Just like a Rolex. Too early too say about the BMW. Agree with what was said above about JLC and Rolex. Apples vs. oranges.

abozz · 6 March 2018, 02:45 AM

I see it like this: You always have to have a Rolex, that's the watch forever, and then give you beautiful luxuries like a JLC or Patek for special days.

Bigsoftee · 6 March 2018, 03:24 AM

I have a MUT with moon phase complication, in rose gold with dimond bezel. It’s a stunning piece with open back o can watch for hours, and if I had to choose between that and the Cellini moon I would still have my JLC. Rolex to me is a day to day watch that can take a beating, And I am a very proud owner of a few rolexes. But for special occasions that require a dress watch it’s JLC all day.

Ravager135 · 6 March 2018, 03:31 AM

JLC has superior mastery of movements and subsequent complications than Rolex. The Reverso is considered the first sports watch when it was made for polo players. I think as far as their lineup today, JLC pieces are more delicate and dressy appearing than Rolex in a market that is very sports heavy. I have yet to find something from JLC that isn't executed very well.

meganfox17 · 6 March 2018, 03:59 AM

If the objective is to impress a watch collector with your understanding of haute- horlogerie and watchmaking history, then JLC is the brand the watch community would regard as the watchmaker's watchmaker. How many Rolex owners here know about JLC's Trifecta of High Complication watches? 50 ? 100 ? 1000 people ? Ever heard of the Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology ? It's a set of 3 complex expensive watches with a total 55 complications that comprises of

✓Hybris mechanica á Grande Sonnerie 26 complications +1472 parts US$1.47 (Top 2 photos)
✓Hybris mechanica Gyrotourbillon US$ 0.42 M (centre 2 photos)
✓Hybris mechanica Reverso à triptyque US$ 0.6 M (bottom 2 photos)
The Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology comes in a stunning full safe, the largest and heaviest box presentation in the world. So how much does it cost? US$ 2.5 M

That's JLC for You

Jack T · 6 March 2018, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganfox17

If the objective is to impress a watch collector with your understanding of haute- horlogerie and watchmaking history, then JLC is the brand the watch community would regard as the watchmaker's watchmaker. How many Rolex owners here know about JLC's Trifecta of High Complication watches? 50 ? 100 ? 1000 people ? Ever heard of the Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology ? It's a set of 3 complex expensive watches with a total 55 complications that comprises of

✓Hybris mechanica á Grande Sonnerie 26 complications +1472 parts US$1.47 (Top 2 photos)
✓Hybris mechanica Gyrotourbillon US$ 0.42 M (centre 2 photos)
✓Hybris mechanica Reverso à triptyque US$ 0.6 M (bottom 2 photos)
The Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology comes in a stunning full safe, the largest and heaviest box presentation in the world. So how much does it cost? US$ 2.5 M

That's JLC for You

Very impressive, Megan, and I was just fine with my Reverso Duo.

Onikage · 6 March 2018, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganfox17

If the objective is to impress a watch collector with your understanding of haute- horlogerie and watchmaking history, then JLC is the brand the watch community would regard as the watchmaker's watchmaker. How many Rolex owners here know about JLC's Trifecta of High Complication watches? 50 ? 100 ? 1000 people ? Ever heard of the Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology ? It's a set of 3 complex expensive watches with a total 55 complications that comprises of

✓Hybris mechanica á Grande Sonnerie 26 complications +1472 parts US$1.47 (Top 2 photos)
✓Hybris mechanica Gyrotourbillon US$ 0.42 M (centre 2 photos)
✓Hybris mechanica Reverso à triptyque US$ 0.6 M (bottom 2 photos)
The Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology comes in a stunning full safe, the largest and heaviest box presentation in the world. So how much does it cost? US$ 2.5 M

That's JLC for You

Marry me.

hsfrank · 11 March 2018, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

Marry me.

You will have to fight me off. BTW what is the purpose of Dubai on the 4th photo?

OJONES · 6 March 2018, 04:57 AM

I wish JLC would produce more sports watches, I don’t have to wear a suit and feel the range is too dressy overall. Wasn’t too impressed with the recent Polaris range either. Also, for all their technical prowess, their power reserve sucks. Still fancy a MUT moon though.

mahefa · 6 March 2018, 06:14 AM

It is Richemont company, so it means lifecycle design. Value drops quickly and most pieces are available quite easily at least in Switzerland.

They have strong history and are art watches like PP and AP. So not suitable for any kind of rough use... like hitting your hand to a desk or door. At JLC they have really high level watch specialists employed and their Atmos clock is truly amazing.

I would not compare Rolex with JLC. Maybe Cellini to some JLC models, but not more. They play a different game.

AK797 · 6 March 2018, 09:56 AM

I would say at the sub £10K more affordable level, Rolex make better sports watches than JLC do dress watches. At over 10K for dress, I prefer Lange and PP in terms of complications and design and finish.

kilyung · 6 March 2018, 10:01 AM

Depends on the ranking criteria. If based on sales, then Rolex wins. If based on how many in-house movements it’s created, then JLC wins (120+). Robustness? Rolex. Complications? JLC. You get the gist.

HL65 · 6 March 2018, 10:12 AM

I personally like Rolex better for my taste and style. I have owned a WG and RG Duometre as well as a RG Master Tourbillon. Incredible watches with top level finishing but for me I always end up back with Rolex.

ian.thomas · 6 March 2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HL65

....RG Master Tourbillon...

lucevan le stelle · 6 March 2018, 10:18 AM

Totally an apples and oranges comparison. Rolex and Omega might be more realistic.

Juan Luis · 30 June 2019, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lucevan le stelle

Totally an apples and oranges comparison. Rolex and Omega might be more realistic.

Exactly.

Art 1 · 6 March 2018, 11:00 AM

I respect the brand, have tried to like them but I just don't. Not for my life style.

Juantxo · 6 March 2018, 12:13 PM

I’ll put it this way: The JLC Navy Seal watch is a kid’s toy watch when compared to a Rolex Submariner. I own both. I have visited the JLC factory and keep a warm spot in my heart for the brand, but their watches are not nearly as reliable, durable, well built and engineered as Rolex are. The worthy JLC is the Atmos, a lovely clock that works as it is supposed to.

Again, I own both brands of watches and feel strongly about this matter.

6 March 2018, 01:02 AM	#1
breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	JLC vs Rolex Just read on the does rolex read trf thread that rolex is beneath JLC. While I know brands like JLC and Zenith have made their own movements after the swatch group move, and I respect JLC; I would not rank them above Rolex. What is your take on Rolex vs JLC?

6 March 2018, 01:20 AM	#3
wach16 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: NH Watch: 228239, PAM00684 Posts: 2,121	Like any argument, it depends on the criteria. JLC makes ultra complicated watches and Rolex does not. Both are robustly built, have a real history of innovation and technical firsts. I think a more apt comparison would be a model vs. model one personally __________________ Rolex 228239 PAM00684

6 March 2018, 01:32 AM	#4
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	Both are fine timepieces. JLC however has a longer and more impressive history in the world of Horology. Over the years JLC has supplied movements to Patek, Cartier, IWC, AP and Vacheron. Their list of achievements, innovations and patents would rank them near the top. https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php...eger-LeCoultre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaeger-LeCoultre __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

6 March 2018, 01:45 AM	#8
Jack T "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Jack Location: The Triangle Watch: Several Posts: 6,719	It would not frame it as JLC versus Rolex, as they aren't necessarily comparable. I see Jaeger as much smaller in scale, more craft-like, refined, precision movements and less focused on sports models. Rolex is savvy commercial behemoth, the Mercedes of high end watches compared to Ferrari or McLaren, in which manufacturing precision is the focus. __________________ Sub 116613 LN; GMT 116710 LN; Sinn 104R; Exp 214270; GS SBGM221; Omega AT

6 March 2018, 06:14 AM	#22
mahefa "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Switzerland Watch: Rolexes Posts: 1,087	It is Richemont company, so it means lifecycle design. Value drops quickly and most pieces are available quite easily at least in Switzerland. They have strong history and are art watches like PP and AP. So not suitable for any kind of rough use... like hitting your hand to a desk or door. At JLC they have really high level watch specialists employed and their Atmos clock is truly amazing. I would not compare Rolex with JLC. Maybe Cellini to some JLC models, but not more. They play a different game. __________________ ♛Deepsea Blue -17 ♛ Deepsea Blue -19 ♛Deepsea Black ♛Explorer I ♛Explorer II ♛ Explorer 1 ♛GMT-Master II BLNR ♛ Sky-Dweller Blue ♛ Sky-Dweller Black ♛ AirKing ♛ Day-Date 40 Platinum ♛ Daytona C White ♛ Submariner LVc ♛ Two-Tone Submariner ♛ Day-Date 36 ♛ Datejust 41 grey ♛

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6 March 2018, 01:47 AM	#5
genkifd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Melbourne Watch: SD43 Posts: 203	totally agree with the above. JLC horology out guns Rolex. imo my only love with JLC is their reverso. pitty the rectangular shape does not suit me

6 March 2018, 02:43 AM	#7
Lugduno "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: The Hague, NL Watch: Heuer Autavia Posts: 22	[QUOTE=Drixonite;8341023]Yeah, square watches are kind of hard to pull off. The new Master Control with sector dial is an absolute stunner. If only they'd remove the date window. Limited run they say but still seems you can find them in stores/online (maybe just selling off the rest of the ones produced through 12/31/2017). That is a really cool watch! Tried it on during my last trip to Hong Kong and must say that very few photos online manage to catch the dial in a fair way, looks much more stunning in the metal! The date is slightly large, but it’s nice that they’ve used the same blue colour for the date as the rest of the dial. Also tried the sector chronograph, which was actually a bit nicer than the three hand version IMHO.

6 March 2018, 02:26 AM	#13
daveo5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Las Vegas NV Watch: 14060M COSC Posts: 1,336	Rolex = Toyota. Traded my 4 Runner last year for a BMW. Had my Toy for 12 years. Other than regular service. Just like a Rolex. Too early too say about the BMW. Agree with what was said above about JLC and Rolex. Apples vs. oranges.

6 March 2018, 02:45 AM	#14
abozz "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: In my home. Watch: 116660, 126600 Posts: 2,905	I see it like this: You always have to have a Rolex, that's the watch forever, and then give you beautiful luxuries like a JLC or Patek for special days.

6 March 2018, 03:24 AM	#15
Bigsoftee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Dubai/UK Watch: Meteorite DD40 Posts: 1,019	I have a MUT with moon phase complication, in rose gold with dimond bezel. It’s a stunning piece with open back o can watch for hours, and if I had to choose between that and the Cellini moon I would still have my JLC. Rolex to me is a day to day watch that can take a beating, And I am a very proud owner of a few rolexes. But for special occasions that require a dress watch it’s JLC all day.

6 March 2018, 03:31 AM	#16
Ravager135 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,224	JLC has superior mastery of movements and subsequent complications than Rolex. The Reverso is considered the first sports watch when it was made for polo players. I think as far as their lineup today, JLC pieces are more delicate and dressy appearing than Rolex in a market that is very sports heavy. I have yet to find something from JLC that isn't executed very well.

6 March 2018, 03:59 AM	#17
meganfox17 Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Kuala Lumpur , Ma Posts: 2,011	If the objective is to impress a watch collector with your understanding of haute- horlogerie and watchmaking history, then JLC is the brand the watch community would regard as the watchmaker's watchmaker. How many Rolex owners here know about JLC's Trifecta of High Complication watches? 50 ? 100 ? 1000 people ? Ever heard of the Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology ? It's a set of 3 complex expensive watches with a total 55 complications that comprises of ✓Hybris mechanica á Grande Sonnerie 26 complications +1472 parts US$1.47 (Top 2 photos) ✓Hybris mechanica Gyrotourbillon US$ 0.42 M (centre 2 photos) ✓Hybris mechanica Reverso à triptyque US$ 0.6 M (bottom 2 photos) The Hybris Mechanica 55 Triology comes in a stunning full safe, the largest and heaviest box presentation in the world. So how much does it cost? US$ 2.5 M That's JLC for You

6 March 2018, 04:57 AM	#21
OJONES "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Ireland Posts: 239	I wish JLC would produce more sports watches, I don’t have to wear a suit and feel the range is too dressy overall. Wasn’t too impressed with the recent Polaris range either. Also, for all their technical prowess, their power reserve sucks. Still fancy a MUT moon though.

6 March 2018, 09:56 AM	#23
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	I would say at the sub £10K more affordable level, Rolex make better sports watches than JLC do dress watches. At over 10K for dress, I prefer Lange and PP in terms of complications and design and finish.

6 March 2018, 10:01 AM	#24
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Depends on the ranking criteria. If based on sales, then Rolex wins. If based on how many in-house movements it’s created, then JLC wins (120+). Robustness? Rolex. Complications? JLC. You get the gist.

6 March 2018, 10:12 AM	#25
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,009	I personally like Rolex better for my taste and style. I have owned a WG and RG Duometre as well as a RG Master Tourbillon. Incredible watches with top level finishing but for me I always end up back with Rolex. __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

6 March 2018, 10:18 AM	#27
lucevan le stelle "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: garden state Posts: 522	Totally an apples and oranges comparison. Rolex and Omega might be more realistic.

6 March 2018, 11:00 AM	#29
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I respect the brand, have tried to like them but I just don't. Not for my life style.

6 March 2018, 12:13 PM	#30
Juantxo Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: Utopia Posts: 2,101	I’ll put it this way: The JLC Navy Seal watch is a kid’s toy watch when compared to a Rolex Submariner. I own both. I have visited the JLC factory and keep a warm spot in my heart for the brand, but their watches are not nearly as reliable, durable, well built and engineered as Rolex are. The worthy JLC is the Atmos, a lovely clock that works as it is supposed to. Again, I own both brands of watches and feel strongly about this matter.

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