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Lakesclub · 3 April 2018, 01:16 PM

Hey Guys. Been lurking for years, but recently decided to join up and get serious.

I’m thinking for my first purchase, I’m going pre-owned, either 16610 or 16710. Can’t justify paying new retail in this bubble, with so many other obligations (kids, wife, house etc..)

Question - Why have the GMT 16710 retained/grown in value? It looks like I can pick up a nice 16610 for around $6.5k but the GMT 16710 watches are all $7.5+?

Thanks!

rolehex · 3 April 2018, 03:33 PM

16710's have been rising for the last few years now and are not showing signs of stopping. (Unless the new Pepsi changes that demand but I don't think so)

For me, its the perfect Rolex because:
The ability to swap out the oyster band to a jubilee.
The ability to swap out the bezel inserts.
Ideal case size in width and thickness and smaller lugs.
Perfect proportions on markers/indices, hand sizes, and bezel insert numbers.
AND an additional hand to boot!

I will never part with mine.

mps354 · 3 April 2018, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolehex

16710's have been rising for the last few years now and are not showing signs of stopping. (Unless the new Pepsi changes that demand but I don't think so)

For me, its the perfect Rolex because:
The ability to swap out the oyster band to a jubilee.
The ability to swap out the bezel inserts.
Ideal case size in width and thickness and smaller lugs.
Perfect proportions on markers/indices, hand sizes, and bezel insert numbers.
AND an additional hand to boot!

I will never part with mine.

^ this

fishingbear · 4 April 2018, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolehex

16710's have been rising for the last few years now and are not showing signs of stopping. (Unless the new Pepsi changes that demand but I don't think so)

For me, its the perfect Rolex because:
The ability to swap out the oyster band to a jubilee.
The ability to swap out the bezel inserts.
Ideal case size in width and thickness and smaller lugs.
Perfect proportions on markers/indices, hand sizes, and bezel insert numbers.
AND an additional hand to boot!

I will never part with mine.

Couldn’t have said it better

CanPam · 3 April 2018, 05:12 PM

Because you get more for your money buddy. The 16710 with the GMT function and the 3 bezel options gives you more than a 16610. For me it´s a no brainer to save a bit more and go for a 16710 if you can...

I love mine a lot...

SeaDweller50 · 3 April 2018, 05:16 PM

Mainly due to the correct proportions of the case in relation to the bracelet. And the ability to change inserts. Something that’s impossible with the ceramic versions.

Onikage · 3 April 2018, 06:17 PM

Agree with everything so far but I noticed 16710s starting to really go up after the WG BLRO came out - When the only way to get a modern Pepsi GMT was paying 40k+ for one in white gold. Older GMTs with modern features like solid end links and no lug holes particularly spiked in value. Then there's the ones that shared the later 3186 movement with the later ceramic version.. Those are crazy money.

Lakesclub · 4 April 2018, 02:55 AM

Thanks guys... I had no idea you could customize the bezel so easily on a 16710... Honestly, I think it just jumped to the top of my list...

I appreciate the responses everyone!

Dan Pierce · 4 April 2018, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Thanks guys... I had no idea you could customize the bezel so easily on a 16710... Honestly, I think it just jumped to the top of my list...

I appreciate the responses everyone!

If the 16710 versatility doesn't sway you Loevhagen's photos will.

dP

2th_doc · 4 April 2018, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Thanks guys... I had no idea you could customize the bezel so easily on a 16710... Honestly, I think it just jumped to the top of my list...

I appreciate the responses everyone!

OP you said you can find a 16710 for $7500. Be careful. That seems too low. Prices for 16710 seem to be ~$9000

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Lakesclub · 4 April 2018, 04:35 AM

[QUOTE=2th_doc;8449728]OP you said you can find a 16710 for $7500. Be careful. That seems too low. Prices for 16710 seem to be ~$9000

Woops. Are correct. Wild to think that the 15 year old variants cost more than a brand new model.

2th_doc · 4 April 2018, 05:04 AM

[QUOTE=Lakesclub;8449921]

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Originally Posted by 2th_doc

Wild to think that the 15 year old variants cost more than a brand new model.

Think thats wild. Check this out. A 10yr old 16710 that cost more than a new PM piece from a trusted seller.

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16...ed-blue-bezel/

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Armyguy03 · 4 April 2018, 08:54 AM

[QUOTE=2th_doc;8450030]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Think thats wild. Check this out. A 10yr old 16710 that cost more than a new PM piece from a trusted seller.

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16...ed-blue-bezel/

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This is fantastic, a lovely NOS. I purchased my Pepsi from DSW in 2013, post Afghan deployment. Absolutely love the watch and am amazed at the price climb.

ras47 · 4 April 2018, 08:57 AM

[QUOTE=2th_doc;8450030]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Think thats wild. Check this out. A 10yr old 16710 that cost more than a new PM piece from a trusted seller.

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16...ed-blue-bezel/

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Wow! Even with the stick dial and 3186 movement, two grails for collectors, that’s some price! I’m not a collector so prices like that make my head spin.

springer · 4 April 2018, 11:27 AM

[QUOTE=2th_doc;8450030][QUOTE=Lakesclub;8449921]

Think thats wild. Check this out. A 10yr old 16710 that cost more than a new PM piece from a trusted seller.

https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16...ed-blue-bezel/
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Maybe, but sorry, I'm not buying into the 3186 hype. There are many very nice GMT II models available for much less than one with that movement. (1993 pictured below.)

frankoman · 4 April 2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2th_doc

OP you said you can find a 16710 for $7500. Be careful. That seems too low. Prices for 16710 seem to be ~$9000

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Cool bezel removing tool you have. Is that specific to watches? It kind of looks like a bike tire iron. I need something like that.

2th_doc · 4 April 2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by frankoman

Cool bezel removing tool you have. Is that specific to watches? It kind of looks like a bike tire iron. I need something like that.

Here is the link for the blue opening tool. It is perfect because it will not scratch your watch. And it pops the bezel off effortlessly. The black instrument is just a pair of tweezers that I use to position the spring.

https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/i...ol/IF145-335-2

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frankoman · 5 April 2018, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2th_doc

Here is the link for the blue opening tool. It is perfect because it will not scratch your watch. And it pops the bezel off effortlessly. The black instrument is just a pair of tweezers that I use to position the spring.

https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/i...ol/IF145-335-2

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Thanks - I will order one of those.

Bladeshot · 4 April 2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Thanks guys... I had no idea you could customize the bezel so easily on a 16710... Honestly, I think it just jumped to the top of my list...

I appreciate the responses everyone!

Good move. 16710 can take certain jubilee bracelets (check end links and pins) as well as oyster bracelet plus 3 insert options. 6-in-1! Prices are up across the board for both references. Buy before they go up more, IMO.

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Loevhagen · 4 April 2018, 02:58 AM

...and with the jubilee it is quite OK.

liuk3 · 4 April 2018, 03:02 AM

Get the one you want (16710) cause prices only seem to go up the longer you wait. Good luck hunting!

Chaching · 4 April 2018, 03:13 AM

Purchased mine back in 1997 "T Dial" for around $3,800 new. Last had it in for service in 2013 to Rolex. One of my favorites in my collection.

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Lakesclub · 4 April 2018, 03:38 AM

Hahaha... yes they will!

Does he always coordinate outfits to bezel inserts?

Loevhagen · 4 April 2018, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Hahaha... yes they will!

Does he always coordinate outfits to bezel inserts?

Nope.

The Argonaut · 4 April 2018, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Loevhagen

Nope.

He doesn't need to when he takes such damn good photos!

inc111 · 4 April 2018, 03:47 AM

Relied on the wrong thread... sorry

Recaro18 · 4 April 2018, 04:22 AM

I have more than 3 inserts for mine..

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SeaDweller50 · 4 April 2018, 05:04 AM

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I have more than 3 inserts for mine..

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Wow. I was expecting to see a Blueberry in there somewhere. Lol.

Thegr8one · 4 April 2018, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by recaro18

I have more than 3 inserts for mine..

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This is awesome! Rootbeer looks really good, don’t see it much on the SS model.

misterbass · 4 April 2018, 04:25 AM

I have a 16710 and love it’s versatility. Had it since new for the last 14yrs and whilst others have come and gone, this has always been my mainstay.

3 April 2018, 01:16 PM	#1
Lakesclub "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 29	Gmt 16710 Hey Guys. Been lurking for years, but recently decided to join up and get serious. I’m thinking for my first purchase, I’m going pre-owned, either 16610 or 16710. Can’t justify paying new retail in this bubble, with so many other obligations (kids, wife, house etc..) Question - Why have the GMT 16710 retained/grown in value? It looks like I can pick up a nice 16610 for around $6.5k but the GMT 16710 watches are all $7.5+? Thanks!

3 April 2018, 05:12 PM	#5
CanPam "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Spain Posts: 652	Because you get more for your money buddy. The 16710 with the GMT function and the 3 bezel options gives you more than a 16610. For me it´s a no brainer to save a bit more and go for a 16710 if you can... I love mine a lot... __________________ instagram.com/wristlaw

3 April 2018, 06:17 PM	#7
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Agree with everything so far but I noticed 16710s starting to really go up after the WG BLRO came out - When the only way to get a modern Pepsi GMT was paying 40k+ for one in white gold. Older GMTs with modern features like solid end links and no lug holes particularly spiked in value. Then there's the ones that shared the later 3186 movement with the later ceramic version.. Those are crazy money. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

4 April 2018, 11:27 AM	#15
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	[QUOTE=2th_doc;8450030][QUOTE=Lakesclub;8449921] Think thats wild. Check this out. A 10yr old 16710 that cost more than a new PM piece from a trusted seller. https://davidsw.com/product/rolex-16...ed-blue-bezel/ __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ Maybe, but sorry, I'm not buying into the 3186 hype. There are many very nice GMT II models available for much less than one with that movement. (1993 pictured below.) Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

4 April 2018, 03:02 AM	#21
liuk3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,354	Get the one you want (16710) cause prices only seem to go up the longer you wait. Good luck hunting! __________________ "Appreciate your life!"

3 April 2018, 03:33 PM	#2
rolehex 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 1,445	16710's have been rising for the last few years now and are not showing signs of stopping. (Unless the new Pepsi changes that demand but I don't think so) For me, its the perfect Rolex because: The ability to swap out the oyster band to a jubilee. The ability to swap out the bezel inserts. Ideal case size in width and thickness and smaller lugs. Perfect proportions on markers/indices, hand sizes, and bezel insert numbers. AND an additional hand to boot! I will never part with mine.

3 April 2018, 05:16 PM	#6
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	Mainly due to the correct proportions of the case in relation to the bracelet. And the ability to change inserts. Something that’s impossible with the ceramic versions.

4 April 2018, 02:55 AM	#8
Lakesclub "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 29	Thanks guys... I had no idea you could customize the bezel so easily on a 16710... Honestly, I think it just jumped to the top of my list... I appreciate the responses everyone!

4 April 2018, 04:35 AM	#11
Lakesclub "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 29	[QUOTE=2th_doc;8449728]OP you said you can find a 16710 for $7500. Be careful. That seems too low. Prices for 16710 seem to be ~$9000 Woops. Are correct. Wild to think that the 15 year old variants cost more than a brand new model.

4 April 2018, 02:58 AM	#20
Loevhagen "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: The aperture Posts: 4,941	...and with the jubilee it is quite OK.

4 April 2018, 03:13 AM	#22
Chaching "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: None of ya #@! Location: Somewhere Watch: Many! 116718 GOLD Posts: 2,137	Purchased mine back in 1997 "T Dial" for around $3,800 new. Last had it in for service in 2013 to Rolex. One of my favorites in my collection.

4 April 2018, 03:38 AM	#23
Lakesclub "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Land of the Free Posts: 29	Hahaha... yes they will! Does he always coordinate outfits to bezel inserts?

4 April 2018, 03:47 AM	#26
inc111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: London Posts: 13	Relied on the wrong thread... sorry

4 April 2018, 04:22 AM	#27
Recaro18 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: RiCkY Location: West Coast Watch: 16520 Posts: 12,448	I have more than 3 inserts for mine.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Passion for Mechanical Timepieces! IG: @crown_in_oyster_case (Make sure you're dealing with me, Meta Verified with Blue check mark!) ~Connecting people through my passion, one timepiece at a time~

4 April 2018, 04:25 AM	#30
misterbass "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: England Posts: 29	I have a 16710 and love it’s versatility. Had it since new for the last 14yrs and whilst others have come and gone, this has always been my mainstay.

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