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Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:11 AM

Are you ok with losing 30%, 50%?

Do you want to see value retention?

A modest increase in value?

The idea that individuals would spend vast sums of cash and have zero concern regarding how stable the value of that item is over the years is absurd.

The new reality is luxury watches is an investment that should be managed as such. Yes it’s not a true return type of investment but if I have a $100,000 watch collection I’m going to assemble pieces that retain and gain value. That’s just a simple reality of 2018 and forward.

liuk3 · 23 April 2018, 04:18 AM

Sounds like a "new reality" for you.

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by liuk3

Sounds like a "new reality" for you.

We will see. But I’m ok being the only one.

beshannon · 23 April 2018, 04:21 AM

If I am investing 10K, I keep my stops set at 10% down for average beta equities. Averaging down is a viable strategy if I intend to hold for a longer period. Any position with that amount of capital should be at least a round lot of 100 shares.

Trades usually stay on for a few weeks to a few months. Long term holds could be years with a goal of at least a double minus dividends and splits.

Oh . . . you were talking about jewelry.

doboy007 · 23 April 2018, 04:21 AM

Not really looking for increase, but would be nice to retain value. If I can enjoy the watch for a while and get back what I’ve put into it I’m satisfied.

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by doboy007

Not really looking for increase, but would be nice to retain value. If I can enjoy the watch for a while and get back what I’ve put into it I’m satisfied.

That’s managing your investment which I would think most sane individuals would find pretty obvious and standard.

doboy007 · 23 April 2018, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

That’s managing your investment which I would think most sane individuals would find pretty obvious and standard.

How's this managing investments?

Helmi · 23 April 2018, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by doboy007

not really looking for increase, but would be nice to retain value. If i can enjoy the watch for a while and get back what i’ve put into it i’m satisfied.

+1

yannis · 23 April 2018, 04:23 AM

Current popular or discontinued popular SS pieces from Rolex are the way to go. PP also. Some limited edition watches from other brands also. Make sure they are full sets and your watches are guaranteed to retain value based on historic evidence and data.

Emptywrist · 23 April 2018, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by yannis

Current popular or discontinued popular SS pieces from Rolex are the way to go. PP also. Some limited edition watches from other brands also. Make sure they are full sets and your watches are guaranteed to retain value based on historic evidence and data.

Why SS pieces?

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Goin2drt · 23 April 2018, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

Are you ok with losing 30%, 50%?

Do you want to see value retention?

A modest increase in value?

The idea that individuals would spend vast sums of cash and have zero concern regarding how stable the value of that item is over the years is absurd.

The new reality is luxury watches is an investment that should be managed as such. Yes it’s not a true return type of investment but if I have a $100,000 watch collection I’m going to assemble pieces that retain and gain value. That’s just a simple reality of 2018 and forward.

Good for you. Just like cars I am going to buy what I LIKE and could care less of future VALUE because I in no way, shape or form consider watches an investment. If there value goes up, great, who cares because I won't be selling them. I keep them and will pass them down to the kids.

My "investing" will be in things that are far better investments like real estate, stocks, bonds, my 401K etc.

The idea of someone thinking a watch as an investment is absurd to me, so I guess that is what makes us different. I guess I live in old reality, whatever that is.

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Good for you. Just like cars I am going to buy what I LIKE and could care less of future VALUE because I in no way, shape or form consider watches an investment. If there value goes up, great, who cares because I won't be selling them. I keep them and will pass them down to the kids.

My "investing" will be in things that are far better investments like real estate, stocks, bonds, my 401K etc.

The idea of someone thinking a watch as an investment is absurd to me, so I guess that is what makes us different. I guess I live in old reality, whatever that is.

Again a different discussion. I’m not soliciting investment advice. I’m discussing high expense items, value retention and possible modest returns. If you enjoy items that retain no value that’s ok and valuable to the discussion.

123Blueface · 23 April 2018, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Good for you. Just like cars I am going to buy what I LIKE and could care less of future VALUE because I in no way, shape or form consider watches an investment. If there value goes up, great, who cares because I won't be selling them. I keep them and will pass them down to the kids.

My "investing" will be in things that are far better investments like real estate, stocks, bonds, my 401K etc.

The idea of someone thinking a watch as an investment is absurd to me, so I guess that is what makes us different. I guess I live in old reality, whatever that is.

Same here.

SROB · 23 April 2018, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Good for you. Just like cars I am going to buy what I LIKE and could care less of future VALUE because I in no way, shape or form consider watches an investment. If there value goes up, great, who cares because I won't be selling them. I keep them and will pass them down to the kids.

My "investing" will be in things that are far better investments like real estate, stocks, bonds, my 401K etc.

The idea of someone thinking a watch as an investment is absurd to me, so I guess that is what makes us different. I guess I live in old reality, whatever that is.

Agree

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Jeffreyc87 · 23 April 2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Good for you. Just like cars I am going to buy what I LIKE and could care less of future VALUE because I in no way, shape or form consider watches an investment. If there value goes up, great, who cares because I won't be selling them. I keep them and will pass them down to the kids.

My "investing" will be in things that are far better investments like real estate, stocks, bonds, my 401K etc.

The idea of someone thinking a watch as an investment is absurd to me, so I guess that is what makes us different. I guess I live in old reality, whatever that is.

This. Watches are a luxury good I buy and wear and give to my kids and grandkids. I invest in real estate, stocks, bonds etc if I want a return.

TimeToWatch · 23 April 2018, 04:24 AM

Watches as an investment is not my new reality.

Speculation in watches certainly exists, but would not be a compelling reason for me to buy one. I buy watches I like, if they appreciate in value, sweet. Why would I want to sell them though? I love them. Watches are not an investment, as their inherent value is based on the next guy being willing to pay more than you. Same goes for gold and bitcoin. Real investments have inherent value, I.e. share of a company that generates a profit, bonds/treasuries which pay interest, real estate which you can rent. Everything else is tulip mania type speculation.

edweather · 23 April 2018, 04:25 AM

It depends if you consider yourself an investor, or a collector/hobbiest. If I'm spending 10k as an investor, darn right I want to make money. If I see something I want/need to buy for my self for the pleasure of owning it, I am less concerned about turning a profit. I buy what I like for myself, and buy what I know I can resell to make money.

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by edweather

It depends if you consider yourself an investor, or a collector/hobbiest. If I'm spending 10k as an investor, darn right I want to make money. If I see something I want/need to buy for my self for the pleasure of owning it, I am less concerned about turning a profit. I buy what I like for myself, and buy what I know I can resell to make money.

But are you ok spending $10,000 or more on items that have very limited value retention?

doboy007 · 23 April 2018, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

But are you ok spending $10,000 or more on items that have very limited value retention?

All the time with cars.

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by doboy007

All the time with cars.

Cars are interesting though because where I live I need a car. I have no option. Watches are not a necessity and if I desire a watch I can choose wisely. I do expect a giant sucking sound with my value retention in my vehicle, I try to minimize it but unfortunately it’s a losing game I have to just swallow to function and continue in my career. It’s a business expense. A totally different concept.

Houston77 · 23 April 2018, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

Cars are interesting though because where I live I need a car. I have no option. Watches are not a necessity and if I desire a watch I can choose wisely. I do expect a giant sucking sound with my value retention in my vehicle, I try to minimize it but unfortunately it’s a losing game I have to just swallow to function and continue in my career. It’s a business expense. A totally different concept.

You sound like you'd be a blast at parties.

doboy007 · 23 April 2018, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

Cars are interesting though because where I live I need a car. I have no option. Watches are not a necessity and if I desire a watch I can choose wisely. I do expect a giant sucking sound with my value retention in my vehicle, I try to minimize it but unfortunately it’s a losing game I have to just swallow to function and continue in my career. It’s a business expense. A totally different concept.

I was just speaking for myself. I don’t have to buy $30-40k cars every 3-4 years, but I do because I like it.

Onikage · 23 April 2018, 04:45 AM

Just as well the watches I like tend to be hot models. They are hot and I have great taste!

Except the Hulk. I never liked those and they went from being a 'damn hulk' to hot relatively quickly since Rolex made it difficult to get any SS Sub let alone a damn hulk.
This topic is humourously one of THREE viirtually identically themed at the top of the boards.

pickettt · 23 April 2018, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

But are you ok spending $10,000 or more on items that have very limited value retention?

You have to keep in mind that $10,000 to one person doesn't mean what it does to another.

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pickettt

You have to keep in mind that $10,000 to one person doesn't mean what it does to another.

That’s true and a valid point to make.

Golf&Watches · 23 April 2018, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Polarbears

But are you ok spending $10,000 or more on items that have very limited value retention?

A first class long haul flight is often US$10k. Spent, no return, some additional comfort enjoyed. I'm OK with it.

ferrissteve11 · 23 April 2018, 04:26 AM

Luxury watches really are not an investment vehicle...they're meant to enjoy. If you're buying simply to worry about its long term value you might want to think long and hard if buying a timepiece is the ideal use of your capital. Just my .02

Polarbears · 23 April 2018, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ferrissteve11

Luxury watches really are not an investment vehicle...they're meant to enjoy. If you're buying simply to worry about its long term value you might want to think long and hard if buying a timepiece is the ideal use of your capital. Just my .02

Never said investment vehicle that is a different discussion.

Can you enjoy an item on your wrist that each day loses $11 in value?

Houston77 · 23 April 2018, 04:29 AM

This type of mentality ropes people into buying models they don't want simply because of the "investment" angle. What's the point of getting into this hobby if your primary focus is on return? It robs all passion and joy.

uber · 23 April 2018, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Houston77

This type of mentality ropes people into buying models they don't want simply because of the "investment" angle. What's the point of getting into this hobby if your primary focus is on return? It robs all passion and joy.

agree 100%

I'm genuinely hoping this will pass.... but the case for a separate

"investment/speculation" forum grows stronger daily IMHO

23 April 2018, 04:11 AM	#1
Polarbears Banned Join Date: Aug 2017 Real Name: MJ Location: NYPA Watch: 16570 Posts: 957	If you spend $10,000(investing discussion) or more... Are you ok with losing 30%, 50%? Do you want to see value retention? A modest increase in value? The idea that individuals would spend vast sums of cash and have zero concern regarding how stable the value of that item is over the years is absurd. The new reality is luxury watches is an investment that should be managed as such. Yes it’s not a true return type of investment but if I have a $100,000 watch collection I’m going to assemble pieces that retain and gain value. That’s just a simple reality of 2018 and forward.

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Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Just as well the watches I like tend to be hot models. They are hot and I have great taste! Except the Hulk. I never liked those and they went from being a 'damn hulk' to hot relatively quickly since Rolex made it difficult to get any SS Sub let alone a damn hulk. This topic is humourously one of THREE viirtually identically themed at the top of the boards. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

23 April 2018, 04:21 AM	#5
doboy007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: SD, CA Watch: BLNR/LVc/SkyD/ND41 Posts: 2,519	Not really looking for increase, but would be nice to retain value. If I can enjoy the watch for a while and get back what I’ve put into it I’m satisfied.

23 April 2018, 04:24 AM	#16
TimeToWatch Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: TRF Watch: Rolex & AP Posts: 1,757	Watches as an investment is not my new reality. Speculation in watches certainly exists, but would not be a compelling reason for me to buy one. I buy watches I like, if they appreciate in value, sweet. Why would I want to sell them though? I love them. Watches are not an investment, as their inherent value is based on the next guy being willing to pay more than you. Same goes for gold and bitcoin. Real investments have inherent value, I.e. share of a company that generates a profit, bonds/treasuries which pay interest, real estate which you can rent. Everything else is tulip mania type speculation.

23 April 2018, 04:25 AM	#17
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	It depends if you consider yourself an investor, or a collector/hobbiest. If I'm spending 10k as an investor, darn right I want to make money. If I see something I want/need to buy for my self for the pleasure of owning it, I am less concerned about turning a profit. I buy what I like for myself, and buy what I know I can resell to make money.

23 April 2018, 04:26 AM	#27
ferrissteve11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 1,116	Luxury watches really are not an investment vehicle...they're meant to enjoy. If you're buying simply to worry about its long term value you might want to think long and hard if buying a timepiece is the ideal use of your capital. Just my .02

23 April 2018, 04:29 AM	#29
Houston77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Houston Posts: 2,653	This type of mentality ropes people into buying models they don't want simply because of the "investment" angle. What's the point of getting into this hobby if your primary focus is on return? It robs all passion and joy.

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