Buying a modern Rolex w/o box and papers?

[nokaoi1]

Would I be able to purchase a new box set and where from? Would the piece still be under warranty without the card and is there a way to get a replacement?

[dmash]

Let me just get straight to the point.


In 99.9% of situations, there’s absolutely no legitimate reason why the box and papers are completely gone, on a modern (I’m assuming 6 digit) Rolex. Much less headache and worries, just to pay a bit more and get the complete package.

[Aventura]

Originally Posted by dmash

Let me just get straight to the point.


In 99.9% of situations, there’s absolutely no legitimate reason why the box and papers are completely gone, on a modern (I’m assuming 6 digit) Rolex. Much less headache and worries, just to pay a bit more and get the complete package.

Off Course. Well said. Who loses the papers or the box and other accessories of a Rolex? I the first thing I think is stolen. I'm sorry but it's my humble opinion.

[Alternative_Facts]

Originally Posted by dmash

Let me just get straight to the point.


In 99.9% of situations, there’s absolutely no legitimate reason why the box and papers are completely gone, on a modern (I’m assuming 6 digit) Rolex.

I don't know about that - a TON of grey market guys sell them to you in the coffin and with the card, that's it.

Clear plastic little box and the card. I feel that's way more than the 0.1% you're giving these scenarios.

Just saying :)

[dmash]

Originally Posted by Alternative_Facts

I don't know about that - a TON of grey market guys sell them to you in the coffin and with the card, that's it.

Clear plastic little box and the card. I feel that's way more than the 0.1% you're giving these scenarios.

Just saying :)

My argument was more towards not including the warranty card. I didn’t clarify in my first post, but did further down. My 99.9% figure is applicable to that, and I stand by it. What kind of person purchases something for $10k, the dealer says ‘you must have this card to keep the warranty’, and they throw it in the garbage can (as long as it’s still under warranty, and any timepiece purchased in the last 3 or so years is). Furthermore, why would you ever want a timepiece from somebody so careless?

[Alternative_Facts]

Originally Posted by dmash

My argument was more towards not including the warranty card. I didn’t clarify in my first post, but did further down. My 99.9% figure is applicable to that, and I stand by it. What kind of person purchases something for $10k, the dealer says ‘you must have this card to keep the warranty’, and they throw it in the garbage can (as long as it’s still under warranty, and any timepiece purchased in the last 3 or so years is). Furthermore, why would you ever want a timepiece from somebody so careless?

i'm with you. i won't ever buy a watch without the card.
as far as some scenarios where there is no box or card there are a few, a small few situation where the person is just super rich and not a watch person.
i'm not a car guy but when i bought my 150k mercedes i never even read the user manual - where as a car guy would have read it forward and backward. sort of like that.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by dmash

Let me just get straight to the point.


In 99.9% of situations, there’s absolutely no legitimate reason why the box and papers are completely gone, on a modern (I’m assuming 6 digit) Rolex. Much less headache and worries, just to pay a bit more and get the complete package.

No, let me just get straight to the point.

As Larry has stated in his post, most buyers walk out of the store with the Rolex sized and on their wrist with the receipt and warranty card in their pocket.

Not 99.9% of legitimate reasons as you have so positively stated but probably more than most.

My guess is that true TRF members are just weird??

Because we want it ALL.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by directioneng

No, let me just get straight to the point.

As Larry has stated in his post, most buyers walk out of the store with the Rolex sized and on their wrist with the receipt and warranty card in their pocket.

Not 99.9% of legitimate reasons as you have so positively stated but probably more than most.

My guess is that true TRF members are just weird??

Because we want it ALL.

I clarified on the same page you just commented, that my 99.9% figure was meant to only include 'warranty card' or did you not read the entire thread

Originally Posted by Rocket_Man

Any Rolex that is selling for $2K below market value has to be suspect. If it is a reputable retail shop they must know what the value is, or is it not even a watch shop? The OP didn't specify. Generally lack of box and papers seems to be about a $500 hit in value, not $2,000. Why are they walking away from $1,500? So what do they know about the watch that they are not telling you? How did they acquire it? From the original owner. If you could put some sort of contingency on the purchase while you get it checked out by an RSC perhaps you could do it.

This. I already asked OP what the model is and what the price is, but he hasn't responded, don't understand. As I also mentioned, if this is a PM model, then completely understandable. But if we're talking a SS professional model? Exactly right, $500 is more in line with the usual discount, but $2k? Incredibly suspicious.

[Andad]

[QUOTE=dmash;8644031]I clarified on the same page you just commented, that my 99.9% figure was meant to only include 'warranty card' or did you not read the entire thread


I read all your posts but I responded to your first one.

Forget the spin.

I have also read many (all) of your previous posts.

Big tip.....Quit while you are behind.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I read all your posts but I responded to your first one.

Forget the spin.

I have also read many (all) of your previous posts.

Big tip.....Quit while you are behind.

So you believe there is a fair amount of people, who toss their warranty card, while the watch is still under warranty? That's the equivalent of tossing your receipt when you buy an extended 5 year warranty on a cell phone, television, etc (as Rolex explicitly states it's required for warranty purposes). That doesn't really make sense whatsoever to me.....

Also, I didn't realize you view this as a competition and we weren't freely discussing our opinions on an open forum. Not sure what you're even implying by stating you've read all of my posts and I should 'quit'. Ok? I still believe it would be incredibly slim chances that a person would throw away his or her warranty card prior to the warranty expiring. Could I be wrong, sure......it's simply my opinion. Is that not what we're here for, to state said opinions?

Big tip.....people can agree to disagree.

[soran]

Originally Posted by dmash

Let me just get straight to the point.


In 99.9% of situations, there’s absolutely no legitimate reason why the box and papers are completely gone, on a modern (I’m assuming 6 digit) Rolex. Much less headache and worries, just to pay a bit more and get the complete package.

Agreed... box + papers does reduce risk of problems

[nokaoi1]

Well in this particular case it's a 2k savings from market price and coming from a reputable retail shop not a private seller. I was told the person who traded it in bought it at airport and didnt want to pay duties on the way home so he threw it out at airport.

[opaline460]

Originally Posted by nokaoi1

Well in this particular case it's a 2k savings from market price and coming from a reputable retail shop not a private seller. I was told the person who traded it in bought it at airport and didnt want to pay duties on the way home so he threw it out at airport.

I would kept the card lol

[jrs146]

Originally Posted by nokaoi1

Well in this particular case it's a 2k savings from market price and coming from a reputable retail shop not a private seller. I was told the person who traded it in bought it at airport and didnt want to pay duties on the way home so he threw it out at airport.

If the savings is big enough maybe. But when I’m spending Rolex money I want it to be perfect and pay a little more. I’m in the camp of also wanting my name on the warranty card. It may cost me more but I’m ok with that. Many say it’s just a box and the warranty eventually expires and they’re right. But this hobby is all about what makes you happy and they means different things for different people.


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[Aventura]

Originally Posted by nokaoi1

Well in this particular case it's a 2k savings from market price and coming from a reputable retail shop not a private seller. I was told the person who traded it in bought it at airport and didnt want to pay duties on the way home so he threw it out at airport.

I don't think so.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by nokaoi1

Well in this particular case it's a 2k savings from market price and coming from a reputable retail shop not a private seller. I was told the person who traded it in bought it at airport and didnt want to pay duties on the way home so he threw it out at airport.

Sounds like a good savings for you.

Contrary to folks on this Forum, there are literally thousands of people who buy a Rolex and leave the store with it on their wrist and take nothing else. There are also those who buy and then toss all the frivolous baggage - it's common.

If you want a warranty, this will not have one; you need the card. Rolex will not issue a replacement card. But perk up, a Rolex seldom needs warranty work and should last many, many years.

[c41006]

Originally Posted by Tools

Sounds like a good savings for you.



Contrary to folks on this Forum, there are literally thousands of people who buy a Rolex and leave the store with it on their wrist and take nothing else. There are also those who buy and then toss all the frivolous baggage - it's common.



If you want a warranty, this will not have one; you need the card. Rolex will not issue a replacement card. But perk up, a Rolex seldom needs warranty work and should last many, many years.

I agree. While I can’t imagine tossing out the box, booklets and card, I’m sure plenty of people do. Even if they don’t throw them away they likely get tossed in a corner somewhere and eventually end up getting lost.

[misterpeanut]

Originally Posted by Tools

Contrary to folks on this Forum, there are literally thousands of people who buy a Rolex and leave the store with it on their wrist and take nothing else. There are also those who buy and then toss all the frivolous baggage - it's common.

Thanks for laying down some common sense here. I also know some folks that toss warranty cards when you know...the warranty expires, but have kept the box. I've run into more of these folks than folks who just toss everything from the get-go.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by nokaoi1

Well in this particular case it's a 2k savings from market price and coming from a reputable retail shop not a private seller. I was told the person who traded it in bought it at airport and didnt want to pay duties on the way home so he threw it out at airport.

I feel like throwing away the warranty card on purpose is like having an automobile and throwing away the owner's card on purpose

Depends on the watch model too. $2k savings on a Professional SS model or $2k savings on a model with more demand elasticity?

[swils8610]

That’s a plausible story...I’d still be skeptical. For me with a modern Rolex boxes, papers and tags are a must. Other will have different opinions.


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[dmash]

Like I said, 99.9% of the time there is no legitimate reason. Could this be an example of the 1/100 chance? Sure. Could the watch be stolen? Sure. Just not worth it to me.


What model is this and what price are you getting? A $2k discount, if it’s SS, is almost suspiciously steep, even without box and papers. Are you comparing a used piece with wear to new MSRP, or?

[rushca01]

Some people just don’t care and think it’s like any other purchase they buy...do you keep the box and papers for your cellphone, TV, etc...not everyone is a WIS and keeps this type of stuff.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by rushca01

Some people just don’t care and think it’s like any other purchase they buy...do you keep the box and papers for your cellphone, TV, etc...not everyone is a WIS and keeps this type of stuff.

I keep my receipts on all that, definitely. Any electronic appliance comes with a 2 year warranty over here, lol.

That’s why it makes no sense to not have the warranty card. That’s literally the thing that gives you the warranty. Box and manuals, ok sure, I can understand some people tossing it. However, no warranty card on a 6 digit, would be a hard pass for me, 100% of the time.

[ScottyC]

Pass

[JerimiahLee]

Originally Posted by dmash

I keep my receipts on all that, definitely. Any electronic appliance comes with a 2 year warranty over here, lol.

That’s why it makes no sense to not have the warranty card. That’s literally the thing that gives you the warranty. Box and manuals, ok sure, I can understand some people tossing it. However, no warranty card on a 6 digit, would be a hard pass for me, 100% of the time.

Sure, I understand your logic completely. Just like you, I'd keep my box and warranty information handy. However many others receive these as gifts or these items are misplaced or simply thrown away. I've witnessed a guy who purchased a watch and could care less about the papers that came with it. He told me that he could never wear them and would likely lose them so they were tossed.

Also, if you send a modern watch to Rolex via the AD who you've purchased the watch through, you will get warranty service no problem. I've had the same experience with dropping it off in person at RSC NYC.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by JerimiahLee

Sure, I understand your logic completely. Just like you, I'd keep my box and warranty information handy. However many others receive these as gifts or these items are misplaced or simply thrown away. I've witnessed a guy who purchased a watch and could care less about the papers that came with it. He told me that he could never wear them and would likely lose them so they were tossed.

Also, if you send a modern watch to Rolex via the AD who you've purchased the watch through, you will get warranty service no problem. I've had the same experience with dropping it off in person at RSC NYC.

Perhaps I should have been more conservative in my estimate instead of '99.9%'

[swils8610]

Originally Posted by rushca01

Some people just don’t care and think it’s like any other purchase they buy...do you keep the box and papers for your cellphone, TV, etc...not everyone is a WIS and keeps this type of stuff.

I’m confused OP...why are you asking opinions here knowing we are all WIS!? It sounds like it’s ok in your mind. It’s your money...buy away.


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[Aventura]

Originally Posted by swils8610

I’m confused OP...why are you asking opinions here knowing we are all WIS!? It sounds like it’s ok in your mind. It’s your money...buy away.


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What means OP? I always thought it was Oyster Perpetual. And WIS?
Could people write so that we can all understand?

[Uhtred59]

Originally Posted by Aventura

What means OP? I always thought it was Oyster Perpetual. And WIS?
Could people write so that we can all understand?

You have over 1200 posts, how don't you understand?

[904VT]

Originally Posted by Aventura

What means OP? I always thought it was Oyster Perpetual. And WIS?
Could people write so that we can all understand?

You don't know WIS