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Swiss Mad! · 4 July 2018, 01:39 PM

Just something that's been puzzling me for a while.

Can any one explain why the first generation Tudor Black Bay's with the 'smiley face' text & modified ETA movement are considered more desirable than the latest version that has the in house movement?

Surely under normal circumstances an in-house movement would be considered preferable to a modified ETA ?

Does this mean that the watch community generally concider the Tudor in-house to be some way inferior to the ETA or is it just a 'first generation' thing that makes them more desirable and therefore more expensive on the secondary market?

Thanks in advance...

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GradyPhilpott · 4 July 2018, 01:42 PM

There will be fewer ETA movement specimens than in-house movement ones as time goes by.

And here we are discussing investments again.

TudorTuesday · 4 July 2018, 02:00 PM

While it's true that some think the value will be higher due to rarity (meh), I think the reasons many prefer the eta version comes down to fact that it's thinner than the in-house version, and the dial design uses the Tudor rose and "smiley" text, for a more vintage look.

The in-house movement is certainly more modern, with a much longer power reserve (70 hours), silicon balance spring and free-sprung balance... But there is nothing wrong with the eta! Parts will always be available, and any reasonable watchmaker is likely quite familiar with eta service and repair.

Quite different watches, really, and each version has merits and drawbacks. That said, I think the eta version of the black bay has fewer drawbacks overall. The in-house caliber requires specialized maintenance from Tudor, and mandates a thicker overall case. Neither is a deal-breaker, but comparitively they make the later watches a little less compelling to many.

Flybak · 4 July 2018, 01:49 PM

I think it's less the movement quality of ETA vs. in-house, though that ETA movement is a proven workhorse. I believe it's probably more the Tudor rose logo on the dial that is on the ETA movement versions. Just my thoughts.

...But to Grady's point, the issue of supply applies as there won't be any more of those going forward either.

Nikrnic · 4 July 2018, 02:02 PM

The ahstetics of the eta versions are more desired as well as the wearability due to its thinner and lighter case, also the bracelet is cleaner without the faux rivets.
If there is a problem with the movement the eta is more easily and less costly to repair.

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Txkill · 4 July 2018, 02:42 PM

The production run for the rose was for like 6 months or so, so fewer of them were made.

Likestheshiny · 4 July 2018, 02:53 PM

The ETA movement was modified with better parts and regulated to really excellent accuracy. So, mostly all that's being gained with the in-house movement is a longer power reserve. On the other hand, the in-house version is also 2mm thicker and more expensive to repair and service. For some folks, a thinner or more easily serviced watch beats a longer power reserve. And the aesthetic differences are a matter of taste, so some people will naturally prefer one or the other -- and with a finite supply, every new buyer who prefers the original makes it harder to get one.

But, no, the original definitely isn't universally preferred. Plenty of folks prefer it. But lots of people also prefer the original.

Chewbacca · 4 July 2018, 02:56 PM

forget the future value component for a minute...

Thing is.

Tudor has always had some Valjoux and ETA association so in my opinion, it doesn’t hurt the brand or watch. If anything, the outhouse movement is more keeping with the Tudor ethos than in-house.

But that’s just me.

padi56 · 4 July 2018, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

forget the future value component for a minute...

Thing is.

Tudor has always had some Valjoux and ETA association so in my opinion, it doesn’t hurt the brand or watch. If anything, the outhouse movement is more keeping with the Tudor ethos than in-house.

But that’s just me.

So did Rolex.

unknown · 4 July 2018, 07:03 PM

Why ETA and not in-house,,

Probably same reason as why the non in-house Daytona 16520 (Zenith el primers) is more sought after and more expensive than the Daytona 116520 and in the future the 116500 too

Stevec14 · 4 July 2018, 03:44 PM

I suspect it’s the short run and the slightly thinner case which attracts the love.

Swiss Mad! · 4 July 2018, 04:23 PM

Cheers guys - all the above replies pretty much explain it and it all kinda makes sense now

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Old Expat Beast · 4 July 2018, 04:26 PM

Also, the ETA 2824 has been developed and fine tuned over about 50 years, the in-house in comparatively untested, and performance-wise (aside from PR) there's little to choose between them once they're regulated.

uncleluck · 4 July 2018, 04:41 PM

I chose an eta Pelagos over in house.

Couple of reasons. One being the aesthetics, the eta has a much nicer dial (in house has war and peace on the dial) and the other being the fact that eta can be serviced by any independent in the future without fear of part restrictions or over inflated costs.

ETA is great quality anyway and having owned and serviced many they’re a solid movement.

Fard · 4 July 2018, 05:37 PM

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

Andad · 4 July 2018, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

Wrong thread?

JayB · 4 July 2018, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

There always has to be one every time Tudor is discussed

unknown · 4 July 2018, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

Sorry can’t afford a real Rolex
Lol

dubins930 · 5 July 2018, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

The reason I hate the majority of Rolex wearers....

Anywho, either way its a great watch. Knowing how bullet proof that ETA is is nice, but knowing your getting an in-house movement when your drop 3k is also nice. For my money, I'm getting the in house.

Swiss Mad! · 5 July 2018, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubins930

The reason I hate the majority of Rolex wearers....

Strange thing to say on a Rolex forum...?

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tudorbaja27 · 5 July 2018, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fard

I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

Though no one asked...

Andad · 4 July 2018, 05:48 PM

Did I read somewhere that if there were problems with the in house movements Tudor were replacing them instead of repairing them?

minute_man · 4 July 2018, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

Did I read somewhere that if there were problems with the in house movements Tudor were replacing them instead of repairing them?

Here

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ht=Inferior%3F

Unsubstantiated

rudestew · 4 July 2018, 06:13 PM

I sold my In house pelagos and stuck with the eta version just because of the service costs and times as it is real user

Hamstur · 4 July 2018, 06:20 PM

Had an in-house and the bulbous case back wouldn't settle comfortably on my wrist, so it just sort of kept flopping around. My wife nicknamed it the "Tourettes Watch" cause it would get stuck and I would have to flick my wrist, apparently too often. Also grew to feel the rivet bracelet is just ugly with its blocky, step down design vs old oyster style.

samson66 · 4 July 2018, 09:51 PM

Comes down to the case being thinner and the rose. Of course people always want something when they stop producing it. Love my BB ETA but it doesn't keep nearly as good time as my Rolexes. Runs about 15 sec fast per day.

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Old Expat Beast · 4 July 2018, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samson66

Comes down to the case being thinner and the rose. Of course people always want something when they stop producing it. Love my BB ETA but it doesn't keep nearly as good time as my Rolexes. Runs about 15 sec fast per day.

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Just get it regulated for free at the RSC. I did (out of warranty, no charge) and it came back running better than any of my Rolexes.

samson66 · 4 July 2018, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Just get it regulated for free at the RSC. I did (out of warranty, no charge) and it came back running better than any of my Rolexes.

Really? They did it for free? Did you mail it to them or take it in-person?

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Old Expat Beast · 4 July 2018, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samson66

Really? They did it for free? Did you mail it to them or take it in-person?

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I took it in, it's quite nearby.

~JJ · 4 July 2018, 10:51 PM

There was a BB eta evangelist that was trying to pump the market for months. Over time the market didn't change and the beat of his drum has subsided, a bit.

4 July 2018, 01:39 PM	#1
Swiss Mad! "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Max Location: UK Watch: Various Posts: 3,727	Tudor In-house movement v ETA Just something that's been puzzling me for a while. Can any one explain why the first generation Tudor Black Bay's with the 'smiley face' text & modified ETA movement are considered more desirable than the latest version that has the in house movement? Surely under normal circumstances an in-house movement would be considered preferable to a modified ETA ? Does this mean that the watch community generally concider the Tudor in-house to be some way inferior to the ETA or is it just a 'first generation' thing that makes them more desirable and therefore more expensive on the secondary market? Thanks in advance... Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk __________________ instagram: max.parkin

4 July 2018, 01:42 PM	#2
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	There will be fewer ETA movement specimens than in-house movement ones as time goes by. And here we are discussing investments again. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

4 July 2018, 07:03 PM	#10
unknown "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 2,872	Why ETA and not in-house,, Probably same reason as why the non in-house Daytona 16520 (Zenith el primers) is more sought after and more expensive than the Daytona 116520 and in the future the 116500 too __________________ Instagram : @collectible_watches

4 July 2018, 04:23 PM	#12
Swiss Mad! "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Max Location: UK Watch: Various Posts: 3,727	Cheers guys - all the above replies pretty much explain it and it all kinda makes sense now Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk __________________ instagram: max.parkin

4 July 2018, 04:26 PM	#13
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	Also, the ETA 2824 has been developed and fine tuned over about 50 years, the in-house in comparatively untested, and performance-wise (aside from PR) there's little to choose between them once they're regulated. __________________ _______________________

4 July 2018, 02:00 PM	#3
TudorTuesday "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: silicon valley Posts: 179	While it's true that some think the value will be higher due to rarity (meh), I think the reasons many prefer the eta version comes down to fact that it's thinner than the in-house version, and the dial design uses the Tudor rose and "smiley" text, for a more vintage look. The in-house movement is certainly more modern, with a much longer power reserve (70 hours), silicon balance spring and free-sprung balance... But there is nothing wrong with the eta! Parts will always be available, and any reasonable watchmaker is likely quite familiar with eta service and repair. Quite different watches, really, and each version has merits and drawbacks. That said, I think the eta version of the black bay has fewer drawbacks overall. The in-house caliber requires specialized maintenance from Tudor, and mandates a thicker overall case. Neither is a deal-breaker, but comparitively they make the later watches a little less compelling to many.

4 July 2018, 01:49 PM	#4
Flybak "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Canada Watch: Enthusiast Posts: 1,606	I think it's less the movement quality of ETA vs. in-house, though that ETA movement is a proven workhorse. I believe it's probably more the Tudor rose logo on the dial that is on the ETA movement versions. Just my thoughts. ...But to Grady's point, the issue of supply applies as there won't be any more of those going forward either.

4 July 2018, 02:02 PM	#5
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,172	The ahstetics of the eta versions are more desired as well as the wearability due to its thinner and lighter case, also the bracelet is cleaner without the faux rivets. If there is a problem with the movement the eta is more easily and less costly to repair. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

4 July 2018, 02:42 PM	#6
Txkill "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Joseph Location: Rockwall TX Watch: Lots Posts: 1,223	The production run for the rose was for like 6 months or so, so fewer of them were made.

4 July 2018, 02:53 PM	#7
Likestheshiny "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: _ Posts: 1,877	The ETA movement was modified with better parts and regulated to really excellent accuracy. So, mostly all that's being gained with the in-house movement is a longer power reserve. On the other hand, the in-house version is also 2mm thicker and more expensive to repair and service. For some folks, a thinner or more easily serviced watch beats a longer power reserve. And the aesthetic differences are a matter of taste, so some people will naturally prefer one or the other -- and with a finite supply, every new buyer who prefers the original makes it harder to get one. But, no, the original definitely isn't universally preferred. Plenty of folks prefer it. But lots of people also prefer the original.

4 July 2018, 02:56 PM	#8
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	forget the future value component for a minute... Thing is. Tudor has always had some Valjoux and ETA association so in my opinion, it doesn’t hurt the brand or watch. If anything, the outhouse movement is more keeping with the Tudor ethos than in-house. But that’s just me.

4 July 2018, 03:44 PM	#11
Stevec14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Real Name: Steve Location: U.K. Watch: 321, Snoopy 3 Posts: 4,483	I suspect it’s the short run and the slightly thinner case which attracts the love.

4 July 2018, 04:41 PM	#14
uncleluck "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: England Posts: 518	I chose an eta Pelagos over in house. Couple of reasons. One being the aesthetics, the eta has a much nicer dial (in house has war and peace on the dial) and the other being the fact that eta can be serviced by any independent in the future without fear of part restrictions or over inflated costs. ETA is great quality anyway and having owned and serviced many they’re a solid movement.

4 July 2018, 05:37 PM	#15
Fard Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Where I live Posts: 34	I would buy a Rolex instead of a Tudor...

4 July 2018, 05:48 PM	#22
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,534	Did I read somewhere that if there were problems with the in house movements Tudor were replacing them instead of repairing them? __________________ E

4 July 2018, 06:13 PM	#24
rudestew "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK Bristol Watch: DSSD SD43 Mk1 50TH Posts: 1,247	I sold my In house pelagos and stuck with the eta version just because of the service costs and times as it is real user

4 July 2018, 06:20 PM	#25
Hamstur "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Arizona Posts: 114	Had an in-house and the bulbous case back wouldn't settle comfortably on my wrist, so it just sort of kept flopping around. My wife nicknamed it the "Tourettes Watch" cause it would get stuck and I would have to flick my wrist, apparently too often. Also grew to feel the rivet bracelet is just ugly with its blocky, step down design vs old oyster style.

4 July 2018, 09:51 PM	#26
samson66 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Mike Location: Downy Ocean Hon Watch: my money leaving! Posts: 13,793	Comes down to the case being thinner and the rose. Of course people always want something when they stop producing it. Love my BB ETA but it doesn't keep nearly as good time as my Rolexes. Runs about 15 sec fast per day. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using Tapatalk

4 July 2018, 10:51 PM	#30
~JJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: explorer Posts: 2,292	There was a BB eta evangelist that was trying to pump the market for months. Over time the market didn't change and the beat of his drum has subsided, a bit.

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