Vicis zero 1

[DARK_KNIGHT]

Anybody here play tackle football (american tackle football) or maybe has a relative that does? I have been watching the birth and production of the Vicis Zero 1 helmet. www.vicis.com

I would like to buy one, but would actually like to talk to someone that has one or knows someone that does. I need all the possible feedback they have.


I have so many Riddells and Shutts and one Xenith Epic and one SG.


My pads are custom made Russell CarbonTek and of course my Douglas pads.

[Blansky]

Obviously being a doctor you understand that concussions are caused not by impact per se but by the brain rattling around in the skull as well as spinal cord/brain stem whiplash.

I have a top rated hockey helmet that brags of similar protection but the fact of the matter is, is the various foam and cushioned head travel inside the helmet going to be equal to the force generated by the initial forces that caused the head to travel in the first place. I doubt they can make a helmet large enough to be practical for that.

Whenever I watch football and see players being tackled, and going down on their backs or sides and watch the head snap around, it has to be causing mini concussions on almost every play. It's not so much the impact of a hit like helmet to helmet but instead the head snapping around just from almost all tackles.

For this reason I think football is going to be a dying sport played mostly by poor underprivileged minorities (much like boxing) because people are going to stop their kids from playing.

[DARK_KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Obviously being a doctor you understand that concussions are caused not by impact per se but by the brain rattling around in the skull as well as spinal cord/brain stem whiplash.

I have a top rated hockey helmet that brags of similar protection but the fact of the matter is, is the various foam and cushioned head travel inside the helmet going to be equal to the force generated by the initial forces that caused the head to travel in the first place. I doubt they can make a helmet large enough to be practical for that.

Whenever I watch football and see players being tackled, and going down on their backs or sides and watch the head snap around, it has to be causing mini concussions on almost every play. It's not so much the impact of a hit like helmet to helmet but instead the head snapping around just from almost all tackles.

For this reason I think football is going to be a dying sport played mostly by poor underprivileged minorities (much like boxing) because people are going to stop their kids from playing.

I actually play Linebacker/DE in an adult tackle football league. I have been playing since grade school in Pop Warner , so I am sure my brain is going be mush with CTE......... , I say this because when I started playing in Pop Warner, I never ever remember being told not to lead with my helmet.

I am also a Youth/Varsity tackle football coach and flag football as well.

I figure this will be my last major helmet purchase before I call it my last rodeo and stick to coaching.

The only way I can think of, that the bottom will fall out of this sport, is if the advertising dollars dry up and even then, people that have the

"football fever" bug won´t stop playing.

I don´t play for money, neither does anyone on the team I play with, hell it costs money to buy state of the art equipment. You can easy drop close to $2k just to dress. We play with zero insurance., you pay any injuries out of pocket. I have had so many injuries over the past 18 years, I could fill a stat sheet.

But:

There is nothing like squaring up , from 5 - 7 yards apart and charging a 6 foot 3 inch 280 pound man that is running as fast as he can towards you to smash.

#Ballin

I can understand the parents that do not want their kids playing tackle football. Like you said, no helmets are perfect , so I am well aware of the limitless possibilities of being on a field (even death - yikes).

I probably have 1-2 years more left in my gas tank (or maybe just one more down)..........and when I can´t dress, I will certainly miss the chance to play, no matter what awaits me down the line.

For those that are interested, Virginia Tech tests and rates helmets. This is the gold standard in helmet ratings.

https://www.beam.vt.edu/helmet/varsi...t-ratings.html (specific to football) but they also rate helmets for other sports.

Other Sports:

https://www.beam.vt.edu/helmet/


The NFL recently started doing the same thing:

https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/re...mance-results/


Disclaimer: NO HELMET CAN GUARANTEE SAFETY. Use any helmet at your own risk.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by DARK_KNIGHT

I actually play Linebacker/DE in an adult tackle football league. I have been playing since grade school in Pop Warner , so I am sure my brain is going be mush with CTE......... , I say this because when I started playing in Pop Warner, I never ever remember being told not to lead with my helmet.

I am also a Youth/Varsity tackle football coach and flag football as well.

I figure this will be my last major helmet purchase before I call it my last rodeo and stick to coaching.

The only way I can think of, that the bottom will fall out of this sport, is if the advertising dollars dry up and even then, people that have the

"football fever" bug won´t stop playing.

I don´t play for money, neither does anyone on the team I play with, hell it costs money to buy state of the art equipment. You can easy drop close to $2k just to dress. We play with zero insurance., you pay any injuries out of pocket. I have had so many injuries over the past 18 years, I could fill a stat sheet.

But:

There is nothing like squaring up , from 5 - 7 yards apart and charging a 6 foot 3 inch 280 pound man that is running as fast as he can towards you to smash.

#Ballin

I can understand the parents that do not want their kids playing tackle football. Like you said, no helmets are perfect , so I am well aware of the limitless possibilities of being on a field (even death - yikes).

I probably have 1-2 years more left in my gas tank (or maybe just one more down)..........and when I can´t dress, I will certainly miss the chance to play, no matter what awaits me down the line.

I’d definitely buy it, although I have the top rated Virginia Tech hockey helmet and got a concussion wearing it last year, but probably would have been worse wearing a cheaper one.

I certainly get the hard to stop playing thing, I’ve been playing hockey for 60 years and had at least 4-5 good concussions during that time and probably more, but the Adrenalin rush, comraderie and fun is addicting. In fact you do go through emotional issues when you stop because your body is missing some great chemicals that it’s used to, and really hard to find a suitable game as a replacement.

As for the NFL yeah, probably last for a long time with people willing to barter money for their health but when you see the number of parents unwilling to let their kids play, and instead get them into soccer you wonder if it will survive and in what form.

I’ve wondered if during the off season that some top players would put together a mini season of a type of flag football with the same hype as the NFL and if it would be a saleable product. Same speed and grace just none of the devastating hits, or does the public need their blood sports.

In hockey there is the constant outcry by some, of the pussification of the sport from open ice head shots and hockey fights. There is still a vocal group that want/ need that type of entertainment, while others appreciate more the speed and talent of the top players and not the behavior of the low talent Neanderthals and knuckle draggers.

But this whole concussion evidence is pretty new and with the billions in lawsuits it may help tone down the headshots anyway.

[TheVTCGuy]

I played High School football (I wasn’t very good) but I played a high-contact sport on a scholarship in college (Lacrosse). Even though I am a short guy, I always had a muscular build and actually enjoyed the physical contact. I am sure I had a concussion (among 100 other injuries) during my playing days. It is a tough call when my friends ask me my opinion if they should let their kids play football, I have no kids. Like everything in life, it is a risk versous reward decision. Yes, there is definitely a risk with playing contact sports, CTE being one of them, but there are such rewards. You learn to be aggressive, teamwork, that you can take a hit and even get hurt and you will be OK. How to deal with winnning and losing. IMHO, the rewards are worth it.

[DARK_KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I played High School football (I wasn’t very good) but I played a high-contact sport on a scholarship in college (Lacrosse). Even though I am a short guy, I always had a muscular build and actually enjoyed the physical contact. I am sure I had a concussion (among 100 other injuries) during my playing days. It is a tough call when my friends ask me my opinion if they should let their kids play football, I have no kids. Like everything in life, it is a risk versous reward decision. Yes, there is definitely a risk with playing contact sports, CTE being one of them, but there are such rewards. You learn to be aggressive, teamwork, that you can take a hit and even get hurt and you will be OK. How to deal with winnning and losing. IMHO, the rewards are worth it.

#LAX

If you got a Scholarship to play..........you were #ballin.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by DARK_KNIGHT

#LAX

If you got a Scholarship to play..........you were #ballin.

Check out those legs! (I’m in the white)

[DARK_KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Check out those legs! (I’m in the white)

I bet that pic is from the early 80´s ????

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by DARK_KNIGHT

I bet that pic is from the early 80´s ????

Ahem.... 1981, I was ... Er.... three years old...

[breitlings]

interssting discussion and subject. I don’t know how much I can add but I think there is a balance between self preservation and “living life”. Tough call for parents though. I’m going to be gently pushing my kids towards tennis, golf and baseball.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by breitlings

interssting discussion and subject. I don’t know how much I can add but I think there is a balance between self preservation and “living life”. Tough call for parents though. I’m going to be gently pushing my kids towards tennis, golf and baseball.

It really is an issue, and not being a parent I don’t feel I am qualified to offer an informed opinion. All I can say is I enjoyed playing contact sports, football, hockey and lacrosse; the latter I was fortunate to be good enough to earn an athletic grant in college. I am a small guy, 5’7” on a good day, and I honestly believe in the deepest part of my soul, that me, aggressively physically confronting guys that were several inches taller and 40 pounds heavier, without any doubt, has helped me in every part of my life as a result. It taught me not to be afraid to take on challenges, that I could actually be successful and win those challenges, so much more. I truly believe if I have not played contact sports I would not have achieved what I have in my life. Yes, there are risks, serious risks, but if my child WANTED (I would never push them) but if they desired to play a contact sport I would support it.

If anyone is wondering how such a short guy earned a college scholarship I was extremely talented at the sport, 175 pounds of solid muscle and ran a 4.5 40 yard dash... Just like I am today! Ahem....

[Blansky]

If I had kids I’d always try to get them into sports that can last a lifetime. Football is a classic sport that rarely has any outlet past early 20s for most people. I guess there are some leagues for people older floating around but not much.