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johnliley · 9 August 2018, 03:57 AM

Joseph Lawrence [email protected]

Supposedly in California

had references which I checked and have now warned, recieived my funds and then went dark and is blocking my cell phone. First time I was taken in 15 years. People. Oh well.

I have further info if anyone needs it.

Live and learn.

John Liley

Tmac478 · 9 August 2018, 04:05 AM

Can you elaborate? Did you find him here on the forum?

johnliley · 9 August 2018, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmac478

Can you elaborate? Did you find him here on the forum?

I had put out a WTB post he responded to me personally and had references from this forum and another so I thought it prudent after having had my $$$ for over a week blocking my phone and not returning emails as this is an environment I do so love and appreciate that I should let the folks know. That's all.

Thanks guys

MonBK · 9 August 2018, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by johnliley

I had put out a WTB post he responded to me personally and had references from this forum and another so I thought it prudent after having had my $$$ for over a week blocking my phone and not returning emails as this is an environment I do so love and appreciate that I should let the folks know. That's all.

Thanks guys

I don't see your WTB ad?

johnliley · 9 August 2018, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

I don't see your WTB ad?

My WTB ad was on TZ. His reference was over here. Also one reference over there.

and I always go by my real name for search purposes.

Thank you.

southtexas · 9 August 2018, 05:22 AM

Sorry to hear it. Did you vet his references from here? Are they known people? Will you share their names here so that future users might be aware of this references?

johnliley · 9 August 2018, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

Sorry to hear it. Did you vet his references from here? Are they known people? Will you share their names here so that future users might be aware of this references?

The one fellow was real on here and was genuinely concerned when I told him. The other fellow hasn't responded.

Ugh. Entirely my fault I should have asked more questions.

JL

tbonesteak · 9 August 2018, 05:26 AM

Sucks, real sorry. Do you have any additional information to try and out the lowlife?

You have a phone number and address on this guy? Did his bank account match his name (to me, this is always one of the biggest red flags)? You have any more information on him? Do you know if that is his real name?

Curious, did you Facetime or talk on the phone with him before buying and run a check on the phone number to make sure it was legit?

johnliley · 9 August 2018, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbonesteak

Sucks, real sorry. Do you have any additional information to try and out the lowlife?

You have a phone number and address on this guy? Did his bank account match his name (to me, this is always one of the biggest red flags)? You have any more information on him? Do you know if that is his real name?

Curious, did you Facetime or talk on the phone with him before buying and run a check on the phone number to make sure it was legit?

I had checked his info did some internet searching etc. I should have been more diligent. His conversations with me were not any different than anyone here would have used. I have collected a long time. I've become more active lately and as we all do evaluate our collections from time to time I've been thinking of different things. This won't deter me and since I do have his bank info and a few friends in Federal places depending if he's real or not we could make his life unpleasant maybe.

Thank you guys for the concern.

JL

edweather · 9 August 2018, 05:29 AM

I've seen other negative posts on that guy on this site somewhere. Can't put my hands on it now, but definitely remember the email with dalucifer in it.

Al1969 · 9 August 2018, 05:37 AM

Just look at his user name. OP, best of luck getting your money back.

johnliley · 9 August 2018, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al1969

Just look at his user name. OP, best of luck getting your money back.

The irony has not gone past me on that one.

JL

Al1969 · 9 August 2018, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnliley

The irony has not gone past me on that one.

JL

I can imagine. Hoping you get your funds back and thanks for warning the rest of the community.

thakillak · 9 August 2018, 07:33 AM

Yeah, Dalucifer responded to my WTB ad on TRF a week or so ago. Caught him in a lie, and then posted about him in this section. So sorry to hear that happened to you...hopefully you can get your funds back...

Note also that he uses different first and last names. In the deal I was working with him, his name was Julian Davis. He even doctored a US passport to try and prove his identity to me.

J_1964 · 9 August 2018, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thakillak

Yeah, Dalucifer responded to my WTB ad on TRF a week or so ago. Caught him in a lie, and then posted about him in this section. So sorry to hear that happened to you...hopefully you can get your funds back...

Note also that he uses different first and last names. In the deal I was working with him, his name was Julian Davis. He even doctored a US passport to try and prove his identity to me.

Doctoring A Federal Document Is A FEDERAL CRIME. This Clown should be prosecuted...

GB-man · 9 August 2018, 12:35 PM

I’m sorry that you had to deal with that John. Hopefully this scumbag gets what he has coming. No mercy.

HL65 · 9 August 2018, 08:25 PM

Again more of the same sorry but stick to well known established sellers or ADs and this doesn't happen. I hope he gets caught but hopefully this serves as a lesson to all. Don't do WTB ads and if you do expect that 99.9% of people who respond will be scammers. I have posted these warning for years and sadly many take excessive risk to save a few dollars when in the end it costs them a lot more!

poohman · 10 August 2018, 02:03 AM

There are so many scammers in this forums. I am one of many victims. I am very sorry, John.

dalucifer · 10 August 2018, 10:36 PM

Hi Guys,
I am definitely a real member here. My name is Brandon. Not sure who the other guy is. OP, I am sending you a PM.

Brandon

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rolexinfl · 10 August 2018, 11:44 PM

Scammers sometimes 'hack' or 'simulate' well known members accounts...it happened to me once but I got my money back on a smaller watch purchase non-Rolex a year or so ago. The guy used TRF user here as a reference but his WUS username had an extra digit at the end.

I will note, it's almost ALWAYS a response to a WTB ad. Thats a well known scammer tactic as it leaves no 'public' postings to trace.

dalucifer · 10 August 2018, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexinfl

Scammers sometimes 'hack' or 'simulate' well known members accounts...it happened to me once but I got my money back on a smaller watch purchase non-Rolex a year or so ago. The guy used TRF user here as a reference but his WUS username had an extra digit at the end.

I will note, it's almost ALWAYS a response to a WTB ad. Thats a well known scammer tactic as it leaves no 'public' postings to trace.

I think this is what happened, but I am not really sure. I reach out to the OP. Whoever Joseph Lawrence is, tried to scam another person on the forum. I reach out to that person as well.

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rolexinfl · 11 August 2018, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalucifer

I think this is what happened, but I am not really sure. I reach out to the OP. Whoever Joseph Lawrence is, tried to scam another person on the forum. I reach out to that person as well.

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Is [email protected] your email? Scammers usually take the username of the person theyre claiming to be and just add numbers to the end of it....like this one.

Ask these people what username they were using to claim they were 'you'. Chances are it's similar but you wouldnt have usernames on those forums, or if you did that wasnt your account.

They also use doctored/photoshopped UK passports with the same guy's photo on it, but I geuss it could be any photo ID they edit.

dalucifer · 11 August 2018, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexinfl

Is [email protected] your email? Scammers usually take the username of the person theyre claiming to be and just add numbers to the end of it....like this one.

Ask these people what username they were using to claim they were 'you'. Chances are it's similar but you wouldnt have usernames on those forums, or if you did that wasnt your account.

They also use doctored/photoshopped UK passports with the same guy's photo on it, but I geuss it could be any photo ID they edit.

That is not my email address. My email address is a combo of my initials and last name. I do not use gmail either. I am California based and offered to help file a police report for OP.

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rolexinfl · 11 August 2018, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalucifer

That is not my email address. My email address is a combo of my initials and last name. I do not use gmail either. I am California based and offered to help file a police report for OP.

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Yep, fits the bill of a scammer...took your TRF username and added a few digits.

Psijason · 11 August 2018, 02:54 AM

So sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can get your money back.

cda555 · 11 August 2018, 03:25 AM

I wish there wasn’t a WTB section. It seems like most scams happen from there. I feel terrible for OP.

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GLADIATOR · 11 August 2018, 03:31 AM

Thinking??
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=619563

dalucifer · 11 August 2018, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Thinking??
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=619563

I sent a PM to the creator of that thread as well and have had a fair amount of dialogue with John (op of this thread).

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GLADIATOR · 11 August 2018, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dalucifer

I sent a PM to the creator of that thread as well and have had a fair amount of dialogue with John (op of this thread).

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You should contact mods in case they ban you?

dalucifer · 11 August 2018, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

You should contact mods in case they ban you?

I have reached out to a moderator. Thank you

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9 August 2018, 03:57 AM	#1
johnliley 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SLC, Utah USA Posts: 875	Beware this guy Joseph Lawrence [email protected] Supposedly in California had references which I checked and have now warned, recieived my funds and then went dark and is blocking my cell phone. First time I was taken in 15 years. People. Oh well. I have further info if anyone needs it. Live and learn. John Liley __________________ "What you do or do not do in life will determine what you do or not do in life..." me.

9 August 2018, 05:22 AM	#6
southtexas 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Great State of TX Posts: 5,764	Sorry to hear it. Did you vet his references from here? Are they known people? Will you share their names here so that future users might be aware of this references? __________________ Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me. Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex

9 August 2018, 05:29 AM	#10
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	I've seen other negative posts on that guy on this site somewhere. Can't put my hands on it now, but definitely remember the email with dalucifer in it. __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

9 August 2018, 05:37 AM	#11
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,640	Just look at his user name. OP, best of luck getting your money back. __________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

9 August 2018, 12:35 PM	#16
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	I’m sorry that you had to deal with that John. Hopefully this scumbag gets what he has coming. No mercy. __________________

9 August 2018, 04:05 AM	#2
Tmac478 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Tony Location: SF Bay Area Watch: RG Skydweller Posts: 1,469	Can you elaborate? Did you find him here on the forum?

9 August 2018, 05:26 AM	#8
tbonesteak "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New York Watch: me go broke! Posts: 1,657	Sucks, real sorry. Do you have any additional information to try and out the lowlife? You have a phone number and address on this guy? Did his bank account match his name (to me, this is always one of the biggest red flags)? You have any more information on him? Do you know if that is his real name? Curious, did you Facetime or talk on the phone with him before buying and run a check on the phone number to make sure it was legit?

9 August 2018, 07:33 AM	#14
thakillak "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 25	Yeah, Dalucifer responded to my WTB ad on TRF a week or so ago. Caught him in a lie, and then posted about him in this section. So sorry to hear that happened to you...hopefully you can get your funds back... Note also that he uses different first and last names. In the deal I was working with him, his name was Julian Davis. He even doctored a US passport to try and prove his identity to me.

9 August 2018, 08:25 PM	#17
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,006	Again more of the same sorry but stick to well known established sellers or ADs and this doesn't happen. I hope he gets caught but hopefully this serves as a lesson to all. Don't do WTB ads and if you do expect that 99.9% of people who respond will be scammers. I have posted these warning for years and sadly many take excessive risk to save a few dollars when in the end it costs them a lot more! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

10 August 2018, 02:03 AM	#18
poohman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: San Diego Posts: 9	There are so many scammers in this forums. I am one of many victims. I am very sorry, John.

10 August 2018, 10:36 PM	#19
dalucifer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: USA Watch: Rolex DSSD Posts: 26	Hi Guys, I am definitely a real member here. My name is Brandon. Not sure who the other guy is. OP, I am sending you a PM. Brandon Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10 August 2018, 11:44 PM	#20
rolexinfl "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: FL Posts: 663	Scammers sometimes 'hack' or 'simulate' well known members accounts...it happened to me once but I got my money back on a smaller watch purchase non-Rolex a year or so ago. The guy used TRF user here as a reference but his WUS username had an extra digit at the end. I will note, it's almost ALWAYS a response to a WTB ad. Thats a well known scammer tactic as it leaves no 'public' postings to trace.

11 August 2018, 02:54 AM	#25
Psijason "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Jason Location: Boston Watch: Seamster 300 Green Posts: 1,617	So sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can get your money back.

11 August 2018, 03:25 AM	#26
cda555 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: USA Watch: 126610LV and SMP Posts: 1,645	I wish there wasn’t a WTB section. It seems like most scams happen from there. I feel terrible for OP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 August 2018, 03:31 AM	#27
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Thinking?? https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=619563 __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

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