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21 January 2009, 10:42 PM | #1 |
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blue hairspring??????????????
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i dont know it might be repeated question but... as i informed by some of u that the only differ between new and old gmt (in movement) that the new got the blue hairspring . what exactly is it for? (in easy and simple way) thanks alot and appretiate ur patiance. |
21 January 2009, 10:56 PM | #2 |
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It is more resistant to higher magnetic fields and my experience is that a watch equipped with the hairspring is more accurate. My GMT-IIc is on +/_ 0.5 secs a day which is much better than my older (D serial) GMT-II (the non-ceramic model). However, accuracy depends on many factors but Rolex - nonetheless - claim that accuracy is one of the strong points for watches equipped with the blue Parachrom hairspring.
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Lets not forget that ETA Nivarox H/springs have been in Rolex watches for 40 plus years.But now the only need for this new parachrome balance hair-spring,to be completely self sufficient in all watch parts for Rolex watches.Parachome is just a word like superlative, Rolesor, Rolesium and many more.Is it going to be more accurate or long lasting than the Nivarox springs IMHO I would doubt it. Rolex movements from the 15XX upward have all been very accurate and extremely long lasting. Just look how many of the vintage ones are still running today 40 years on plus, and still running to COSC spec.Fact John Harrisons marine chronometer a watch made nearly 300 years ago is as accurate or more accurate than best Swiss watches made today without a parachrome hairspring.
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PADI,YANNIS thanks alot for ur excellent reviews
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21 January 2009, 11:35 PM | #5 |
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Padi, one thing though. It appears that most 3185 movements run in between the +/- 2-4 sec range whereas it is common that 3186 movements are doing a bit better. One example is my recently acquired GMT-IIc.
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Well reading the many post on this forum and quite a few others its swings and roundabouts with 3186, which is in reality just a very slightly modded 3185.With any mechanical watch its how they are regulated thats where most of the accuracy come from.Myself and quite a few others have vintage Rolex running to + or - 2 seconds a day.And lets be perfectly honest here if any mechanical watch runs + or minus a couple of seconds a day.What more could you ask for, if you want better, then the other option is quartz.I have a $60 Alpha Mechanical M/Wind chrono that after some careful regulation has been running well inside the COSC spec for over two years but for how much longer only time will tell.
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Padi you sound jealous, you should just go get a watch with a parachrome hairspring and be done with it.
Also, I am one of those people that appreciates precision in a fine timepiece. It is the foremost task of a watch, remember, to keep time? Explain again your reasoning as to why Rolex should not be expected to accomplish what John Harriman managed to do alone in a candlelit basement 250 years ago? No, +2sec/day is not good enough. A man's reach should exceed his grasp, and the art of timekeeping has ALWAYS evolved around accuracy. The parachrome hairspring, which you denounce at every opportunity, is a small part of that evolution. At WORST it is the equal of the previously used component, at best (and in reality) it is indeed measurably better, even though this might not translate directly to "more accurate" by itself. In any case, it's a significant step forward for Rolex that should be appreciated for what it is. Not villified because of some perceived need to defend the fact that there are many fine timepieces that don't have it. Finally, no I don't want a quartz, despite your frequent recommendation of this to anyone that dare mention Rolex accuracy in any capacity. I enjoy the tiny machine for what it is, what it has been, where it has come from, and for what it can be. For me the quest for excellence/precision is an integral part of the enjoyment of horology. I'm not going to throw my Rolex in the trash if it runs +2sec/day, but at the same time I enjoy bringing that spec as close to zero as possible. |
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1. add $$$$ to a 16710 model if it has it? 2. Let TRF members test their watches and see if they "wiggle" 3. To Let TRF members "brag" by putting in the signature line they have a 3186 with a 16710. (note: GMTIIc have it but the 3186 doesn't get mentioned. ) 4. Take processing up on the TRF server since this is one of the most discussed topics. 5. To make the watch anti-magnetic and allow Rolex to insource 100% their watches. 6. To add color to the movement or give a reason to take the back off and see the movement. Any of these answers will work. |
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It's not like movements with the 3186 are not being sent back for regulation. I have heard a many instances were the 3186 is not running within COSC specs. The Explorer II's have them now and they are by no means more accurate than the models with the 3185.
Padi has summed it up already, it's hype and Rolex was just trying to go all in house, that's it. yannis, I think it's pure luck that your GMT II is running near perfect. Many members here who have the GMT IIC and not so lucky.
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And why would anyone be jealous of a watch with a parachrome hairspring in it its a escapement spring nothing more nothing less Well if you are looking for a mechanical watch thats 100% accurate and thats one in 10 million perhaps. If any mechanical watch performs to COSC spec thats good enough for me if I wanted better I would buy a quartz its that simple.
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No, No, No....
Stop it....Stop it.... The 3186 movement did not get it's new number because it got a parachrom hairspring.. As Padi was pointing out....the Parachrom hairspring in the movement is irrelevant in it becoming the 3186 from the 3185...it is a non-event.... The 3185 was modified.......It got thicker main plates and the Jump Feature detents were moved away from the hand-stack.... All the parts no longer interchange This decoupled it from that area so it no longer wiggles the 24 hr hand when you jump the Mercedes hand......... The watch was modified with new parts and detent gears so it got a new movement number.... The new in-house Parachrom hairspring is in the Daytona, the Day Date II, the DSSD, the YM II, the GMT II, and the EXP II......... It will eventually be in the entire line.......you might have one in your new M or V series watch......it is unlikely to be an advertised event when it happens.... Your watch will not take on magical qualities because it has a blue hairspring..
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The blue hairspring is something we see a lot of in Florida. It keeps the blue hair out of our eyes!
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If I understand you correctly, your question is "What is a hairspring" (also known as a balance spring). Here goes:
"The balance spring is an essential part of the balance wheel; together they form a harmonic oscillator. The balance spring provides the linear restoring force that reverses the motion of the wheel so it oscillates back and forth." That's about the easiest to understand definition I could find. the "blue" part of the term refers to the alloy used in the spring's manufacture. Hope that helps. Cheers, Chris
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i, for one, am quite angry that my rolex has a little bit of swatch in it. come next service, i shall demand that it be fitted with a genuine rolex hairspring!
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Cannot understand why its only a name and its from a manufacture thats part of a well respected group of Swiss watch manufactures.And if it was not for the ETA Nivarox escapement parts doubt if there would be a Swiss mechanical watch industry over the past 50 years.But now several independent manufactures have started now to make there own under a few different names.Mainly to become totally in-house made and not rely on the Swatch group.Your Rolex is still the same as it been for the past 50 years, simply one of the most reliable accurate and long lasting watches in this world today.So by having a part from the Swatch group in any Rolex there must be million upon million of very satisfied customers, judging there world wide sales over the past few decades.
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Proof that the Rolex spring or blue spring is better than the old spring. Like I said before, Rolex is finally living up to it's name that it made years ago, with the introduction of new designs, models, bracelet and clasp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3lE...eature=related you guys might want to bookmark this link for future references or PM me if you have further questions. You guys are welcomed. |
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As mentioned, the new spring makes magnets obsolete to the movement, that right there gives me the peace of mind that Rolex's movement can withstand anything thrown at it. Do we need those turbines in the Porsche 911 Turbo?...No, but it's really nice to know you can hit 200mph whenever you feel like it and to know the watch is capable of withstanding anything and more than what my wrist can absorb. They are welcome to watch the video just like you are....enjoy. |
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What you are talking about is innovation purely for innovation's sake, and that most certainly is not where Rolex made its name - that sort of nonsense was left up to the wannabes. Whoops, I didn't realise it was your video clip. I do appreciate your generousity.
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Someone tell me my Z Daytona has a blue hairspring or I'll cry
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I like this video, but I agree with Peter, my Milguass made in 1969 is just as accurate as my Milgauss made in 2008.
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The Rolex hype really does turn into fact
If the parachrom hairspring was better due to the anti-magnetic feature then surely the likes of the Milgauss, IWC ingi and other anti-mag watches would be the best in the world, infact most companies would have put in a soft iron core in their entire ranges due to the benefits, so why haven't they, and why are anti-mag watches so rare? The whole thing is like Padi says, Rolex wanting to be completely in-house, it's the same arguments with 904 steel against 316, people believe that 904L is better as Rolex uses it and make statements on it, but in reality it's better in some ways but poorer in others, and for making watch cases they're both as good as each other as you'll never reach the limits that both have.
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