15500 affecting 15400 value

[Malren]

Hey,

Thought it might be nice to have a special thread regarding this topic.
What do you guys think? Increase/Decrease?

Are there any similar situations from the past to learn from?

[Tschyvon]

Since 15500 will push MSRP up by around 10%, close to 20k, I won’t see any reason for decrease. Why would it?

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by Tschyvon

Since 15500 will push MSRP up by around 10%, close to 20k, I won’t see any reason for decrease. Why would it?

I agree. You also have the differentiation between dials. White/silver is gone and blue/grey look slightly different. The 116500 helped the 116520 dramatically. Not the same but just saying.

[singe89]

Well if this is any indication...



White still looks about mid $18 NIB

[mobster600]

Originally Posted by singe89

Well if this is any indication...



White still looks about mid $18 NIB

I wouldn’t use Takuya as a average price point. He has always been MUCH higher then other sellers. He does have a good inventory and trusted but your paying up for it.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by singe89

Well if this is any indication...



White still looks about mid $18 NIB

Not for long.

[Speed]

Originally Posted by Malren

Hey,

Thought it might be nice to have a special thread regarding this topic.
What do you guys think? Increase/Decrease?

Are there any similar situations from the past to learn from?

What actions are you planning to take - depending on the price direction - if any?

[masterserg]

^^ That is insane!

[walds11]

^^^Yes it is. WatchBox has one listed for $27,950.

[Malren]

Originally Posted by walds11

^^^Yes it is. WatchBox has one listed for $27,950.

Listing is nice but are there any buyers willing to pay??

[walds11]

Originally Posted by Malren

Listing is nice but are there any buyers willing to pay??

Doubt it. That one has been for sale for at least a few weeks.

[ukbbc]

It may depend if the Grey dealers decide to play the same game with Rolex Sport models - I.e. Snap up all the ROs while they can and slap a massive premium in anticipation of limited availability from manufacturer.




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[AK797]

Greys will always look for a reason to raise prices, never lower, only massive selling pressure will force them to and I don't see that happening here at all.

[mustangtornado]

Bottom line, 15500 not wildly superior. So...with no more 15400s being produced, everyone that prefers the look of the 15400s are going after increasingly limited supplies. price=up. Eco 101.

[Baco Noir]

15500 has some issues IMHO:
1) date window pushed out to the far edge
2) no text on the bottom half of the dial makes it look unbalanced
3) shorter, wider minute markers also though off the dial proportions.

All these things make the 15400 more desirable IMHO.

[HarryLime]

IMO 1 and 2 are what draw me to the 15500

[lhawli]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

15500 has some issues IMHO:
1) date window pushed out to the far edge
2) no text on the bottom half of the dial makes it look unbalanced
3) shorter, wider minute markers also though off the dial proportions.

All these things make the 15400 more desirable IMHO.

4) The minute track is now on the outside breaking up the balance of the dial.
5) Thicker case
6) Still 50 M water resistance

The 15500 is like what Rolex did with the DJII.


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[jtsmith439]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

15500 has some issues IMHO:
1) date window pushed out to the far edge
2) no text on the bottom half of the dial makes it look unbalanced
3) shorter, wider minute markers also though off the dial proportions.

All these things make the 15400 more desirable IMHO.

Hard to be objective if you own a 15400. Both are great watches.

[Baco Noir]

Originally Posted by jtsmith439

Hard to be objective if you own a 15400. Both are great watches.

Not true. Have you ever owned a watch and then a new edition came out and decided to “upgrade”?

I just prefer to 15400 over the 15500.

[Vipes]

Originally Posted by Baco Noir

15500 has some issues IMHO:
1) date window pushed out to the far edge
2) no text on the bottom half of the dial makes it look unbalanced
3) shorter, wider minute markers also though off the dial proportions.

All these things make the 15400 more desirable IMHO.

Agree. The 15400 looks more pleasing aesthetically.

[masterserg]

I like the fatter hands / lume on the 15500. Blue looks darker though. The electric blue of the 400 is hard to top.

[T3F]

Looks like opinions are pretty split on preference for the 15400 vs 15500, which means that values for the 15400 with do just fine. I'd have to see the 15500 in person to make a final decision of which I like better, but my first impression is that I like the 15400's dial layout much better, but the new movement in the 15500 appears to be a significant improvement -- overall, I think I still prefer the 15400.

Also, as a 15400 blue dial owner, $27k+ for one seems a but ridiculous -- I seriously doubt anyone is going to pay that, but I hope they do, as it's good for me if I decide to sell mine!

[pgasparro]

Originally Posted by T3F

Looks like opinions are pretty split on preference for the 15400 vs 15500, which means that values for the 15400 with do just fine. I'd have to see the 15500 in person to make a final decision of which I like better, but my first impression is that I like the 15400's dial layout much better, but the new movement in the 15500 appears to be a significant improvement -- overall, I think I still prefer the 15400.

Also, as a 15400 blue dial owner, $27k+ for one seems a but ridiculous -- I seriously doubt anyone is going to pay that, but I hope they do, as it's good for me if I decide to sell mine!

I paid 25,500 for brand new K series and heard a gray got 32K for another brand new k series 15400 blue in the NYC diamond district - mid jan 2019.

[GB-man]

This is just like every other release. Current owners like their watch and people on the sidelines get excited about the new one

[Plai]

Originally Posted by GB-man

This is just like every other release. Current owners like their watch and people on the sidelines get excited about the new one

I agree with you. Obvious bias and self interest going on. I prefer the 15500 more, and the blue looks more rich than the 15400. Just wish it was 39 or 40mm instead.

[redsubby]

Originally Posted by GB-man

This is just like every other release. Current owners like their watch and people on the sidelines get excited about the new one

I used to own 15400, no longer do, but I still prefer the looks of 15400 over 15500. The dial of 15400 is just about perfect.

[Gh0st0]

Subtle differences, which is good for both watches

[appa666]

I like everything on 15500 excepts thickness.
I assume depends on how sensitive you are about thickness, but i am sure people who really care about thickness>the number of 15400 available in the market, plus silver dial is currently not available on 15500, at least for now. Therefore there is a shortage so price should go up.

[yessir69]

I remember when the 400s came out. The 300s disappeared pretty quickly and they’ve gone up in value steadily over the years. I don’t see why the same thing wouldn’t happen now.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by yessir69

I remember when the 400s came out. The 300s disappeared pretty quickly and they’ve gone up in value steadily over the years. I don’t see why the same thing wouldn’t happen now.

Actually the 300s fell for a couple of years and were buyable for £6/7K while retail of the 15400 was over £10K, but the market now is different and very seller powerful and the 15400s will have a lot of buttress to their price.