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wbb2 · 27 March 2019, 02:47 PM

Saw this on HQ milton site.. sorry cant post links please search for " 1985 Rolex GMT-Master II 16760 "Fat Lady" with "Martian Soil" Dial "

Anyone know wha causes this "Martian Dial" ? Water damage/ damage in general?

What parts of this watch are original / serviced?

From HQ milton site:
"Excellent and heavily patinaed tritium dial with newer tritium hands. The dial has aged to a brown hue with extensive and even grey speckling. The markers have turned a warm sandy hue and the hands are matching."

Thanks

springer · 27 March 2019, 03:02 PM

$14,750 and it's yours.

Vincent65 · 27 March 2019, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by springer

$14,750 and it's yours.

Bargain

HarryLime · 27 March 2019, 03:33 PM

Kind of reminds me of...

1665fan · 27 March 2019, 09:12 PM

Wow what a turd lol

Onequik135i · 27 March 2019, 09:26 PM

Shame it had water damage done to it previously & to retail it for $14k on top of it is crazy. I would just spend the $10-12k on a much better example.

cpefy3 · 27 March 2019, 09:30 PM

I almost think these dial descriptions are tongue in cheek jokes to people on TRF.

1675-David · 27 March 2019, 09:38 PM

brockburst · 27 March 2019, 10:12 PM

Why is nearly every watch on HQ site always have hands that aren't original or way off color? Seriously.

toxicavenger · 28 March 2019, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by brockburst

Why is nearly every watch on HQ site always have hands that aren't original or way off color? Seriously.

Most original dials and hands do not match. They also age at different rates. Not to mention when the lume is applied on the dial it is done at a different time than the hands.

1665fan · 28 March 2019, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by toxicavenger

Most original dials and hands do not match. They also age at different rates. Not to mention when the lume is applied on the dial it is done at a different time than the hands.

There’s no need to defend the garbage this guy sells....if he asked 6k and madubsome bullshit name to get laughs....cool....he’s asking over market value. A real excellent fat lady is 10k...he wants 14k for a trash defective, moldy, water stained, disgusting dial and calling it excellent....that’s F.... up. That says a lot for what he sells....good luck if someone pays extra for that trash.. it should be called a seaGMT because there’s been saltwater all over the dial..

toxicavenger · 28 March 2019, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

There’s no need to defend the garbage this guy sells....if he asked 6k and madubsome bullshit name to get laughs....cool....he’s asking over market value. A real excellent fat lady is 10k...he wants 14k for a trash defective, moldy, water stained, disgusting dial and calling it excellent....that’s F.... up. That says a lot for what he sells....good luck if someone pays extra for that trash.. it should be called a seaGMT because there’s been saltwater all over the dial..

Sorry you are barking up the wrong tree.

I am not defending anything. I am stating facts. My comments are based on what most sellers are peddling right now. That is matching dials/hands. Which is NOT a common trait.

1675-David · 28 March 2019, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

There’s no need to defend the garbage this guy sells....if he asked 6k and madubsome bullshit name to get laughs....cool....he’s asking over market value. A real excellent fat lady is 10k...he wants 14k for a trash defective, moldy, water stained, disgusting dial and calling it excellent....that’s F.... up. That says a lot for what he sells....good luck if someone pays extra for that trash.. it should be called a seaGMT because there’s been saltwater all over the dial..

this is a harsh comment on one of the best Vintage guys out there. Over the years I bought a few watches from Jacek and every time I'm in SF I drop in to check out his inventory. The guys are HQ Milton are very knowledgeable and passionate about vintage watches and I feel that your swipe at them is completely out of place and absolutely not in the character of this forum.

zapokee · 28 March 2019, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

this is a harsh comment on one of the best Vintage guys out there. Over the years I bought a few watches from Jacek and every time I'm in SF I drop in to check out his inventory. The guys are HQ Milton are very knowledgeable and passionate about vintage watches and I feel that your swipe at them is completely out of place and absolutely not in the character of this forum.

This

stmoore · 28 March 2019, 06:44 PM

I have to throw the flag on this too.
Jacek is a really cool dude and he sells interesting stuff - and stands behind it. If something isn’t right those guys will fix it.

I went down and met the crew a couple of weeks ago... all great ppl. I suggest one day you do the same. It’s a wonderful shop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1665fan

There’s no need to defend the garbage this guy sells....if he asked 6k and madubsome bullshit name to get laughs....cool....he’s asking over market value. A real excellent fat lady is 10k...he wants 14k for a trash defective, moldy, water stained, disgusting dial and calling it excellent....that’s F.... up. That says a lot for what he sells....good luck if someone pays extra for that trash.. it should be called a seaGMT because there’s been saltwater all over the dial..

Kingface66 · 27 March 2019, 10:49 PM

I get that there’s fewer and fewer pristine, or at least close to pristine examples available these days, and that you need to stay afloat as a business. But, it’s so disingenuous to not even acknowledge that a complete and irreversible mess of a dial (like this one) looks this way because it’s been DAMAGED. And then to make-up a nifty, or exotic name (“Stardust” anyone?) for it as an excuse to describe it as “excellent” (What, do you mean? It’s an excellent example of Martian Soil, it’s an actual, objectively excellent dial?) is akin to false advertising.

Vincent65 · 27 March 2019, 11:27 PM

Yup, "mouldy dial" ain't gonna sell it.
A fool and his money are easily parted.

1665fan · 28 March 2019, 12:15 AM

It’s a F....... joke to describe as excellent. All these dealers describe anything from beat up piece of shit to an overpolished turd as excellent...and now all these color matched hands...I would like to think a real dealer like HQ wouldn’t act like that but obviously they are all the same...all about the $$$$$$$. Realistically that piece is worth 7k, half the asking price

Vincent65 · 28 March 2019, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

It’s a F....... joke to describe as excellent. All these dealers describe anything from beat up piece of shit to an overpolished turd as excellent...and now all these color matched hands...I would like to think a real dealer like HQ wouldn’t act like that but obviously they are all the same...all about the $$$$$$$. Realistically that piece is worth 7k, half the asking price

As much as that!? 7 thousand dollars is 'realistic'?!

goldfixer21 · 28 March 2019, 01:00 AM

Have you seen this one in the For Sale section?
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=falling

Kingface66 · 28 March 2019, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfixer21

Have you seen this one in the For Sale section?
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=falling

Oh, FFS. NOTHING about that is "mint", as described.

1675-David · 28 March 2019, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

Oh, FFS. NOTHING about that is "mint", as described.

maybe it smells like mint after seller tried to polish out the chips in the crystal with toothpaste

exador · 28 March 2019, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by goldfixer21

Have you seen this one in the For Sale section?
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=falling

“Fallling Leaf Dial”. Bwahahahaha.

uncleluck · 28 March 2019, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by exador

“Fallling Leaf Dial”. Bwahahahaha.

Did make me laugh out loud

haven_seeker · 28 March 2019, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by uncleluck

Did make me laugh out loud

He mentions it’s RARE too

mrs_LA · 28 March 2019, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by exador

“Fallling Leaf Dial”. Bwahahahaha.

Here's another Falling Leaf dial from HQ Milton

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...-leaf-dial-A36

Gmt21 · 28 March 2019, 01:12 AM

How about a “Geneve” dial? I prefer mine

1665fan · 28 March 2019, 01:14 AM

Very nice honest watch!!!

brand_c · 28 March 2019, 03:14 AM

Was gonna post about this but someone beat me to it hah. I cant imagine what the watch had been through for the dial to turn like that, maybe that's why there arent any movement shots with this listing.

Also heavy patina/ flaking of the dial and hour markers are also very concerning. Correct me if im wrong but wouldn't these small particles make their way into the movement.

I feel bad for whoever that buys this.

1675-David · 28 March 2019, 03:22 AM

Click bait from Jacek to drive traffic to the HQ Milton website...

I must admit I fell for it!!!

27 March 2019, 02:47 PM	#1
wbb2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Francisco Posts: 11	Martian Dial 1985 Rolex GMT-Master II 16760 "Fat Lady" with "Martian Soil" Dial Saw this on HQ milton site.. sorry cant post links please search for " 1985 Rolex GMT-Master II 16760 "Fat Lady" with "Martian Soil" Dial " Anyone know wha causes this "Martian Dial" ? Water damage/ damage in general? What parts of this watch are original / serviced? From HQ milton site: "Excellent and heavily patinaed tritium dial with newer tritium hands. The dial has aged to a brown hue with extensive and even grey speckling. The markers have turned a warm sandy hue and the hands are matching." Thanks

27 March 2019, 03:02 PM	#2
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	$14,750 and it's yours. Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

27 March 2019, 09:26 PM	#6
Onequik135i "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: 116610LV Posts: 2,574	Shame it had water damage done to it previously & to retail it for $14k on top of it is crazy. I would just spend the $10-12k on a much better example. __________________ 16750 / 116610LV / 116613LB / Ed White 321 / PAM111 / PAM170

27 March 2019, 11:27 PM	#17
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Yup, "mouldy dial" ain't gonna sell it. A fool and his money are easily parted. __________________

28 March 2019, 01:12 AM	#27
Gmt21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Frank Location: Earth Watch: Rolex 1665 Posts: 295	How about a “Geneve” dial? I prefer mine Attached Images

27 March 2019, 03:33 PM	#4
HarryLime "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: NY Posts: 676	Kind of reminds me of...

27 March 2019, 09:12 PM	#5
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,660	Wow what a turd lol

27 March 2019, 09:30 PM	#7
cpefy3 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Collin Location: Raleigh, NC Watch: 16014, 16600 Posts: 344	I almost think these dial descriptions are tongue in cheek jokes to people on TRF.

27 March 2019, 09:38 PM	#8
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,061

27 March 2019, 10:12 PM	#9
brockburst 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Chicago Posts: 792	Why is nearly every watch on HQ site always have hands that aren't original or way off color? Seriously.

27 March 2019, 10:49 PM	#16
Kingface66 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: The Empire State Watch: Many Posts: 3,464	I get that there’s fewer and fewer pristine, or at least close to pristine examples available these days, and that you need to stay afloat as a business. But, it’s so disingenuous to not even acknowledge that a complete and irreversible mess of a dial (like this one) looks this way because it’s been DAMAGED. And then to make-up a nifty, or exotic name (“Stardust” anyone?) for it as an excuse to describe it as “excellent” (What, do you mean? It’s an excellent example of Martian Soil, it’s an actual, objectively excellent dial?) is akin to false advertising.

28 March 2019, 12:15 AM	#18
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,660	It’s a F....... joke to describe as excellent. All these dealers describe anything from beat up piece of shit to an overpolished turd as excellent...and now all these color matched hands...I would like to think a real dealer like HQ wouldn’t act like that but obviously they are all the same...all about the $$$$$$$. Realistically that piece is worth 7k, half the asking price

28 March 2019, 01:00 AM	#20
goldfixer21 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 807	Have you seen this one in the For Sale section? https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=falling

28 March 2019, 01:14 AM	#28
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,660	Very nice honest watch!!!

28 March 2019, 03:14 AM	#29
brand_c "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: IL Posts: 188	Was gonna post about this but someone beat me to it hah. I cant imagine what the watch had been through for the dial to turn like that, maybe that's why there arent any movement shots with this listing. Also heavy patina/ flaking of the dial and hour markers are also very concerning. Correct me if im wrong but wouldn't these small particles make their way into the movement. I feel bad for whoever that buys this.

28 March 2019, 03:22 AM	#30
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,061	Click bait from Jacek to drive traffic to the HQ Milton website... I must admit I fell for it!!!

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