Double coronet jubilee clasp - reappears

[bieb1]

Dear Forum experts, I am wondering if there has been any new knowledge developed about Rolex logo swirls on Jubilee clasps in the ever ongoing debate about genuine vs counterfeit.

Today, at a watch fair in Switzerland I was offered a Jubilee bracelet with a double coronet, letter “A” clasp in very nice condition. The dealer, a reputable person, was adamant it was genuine. Upon inspection the Rolex upper logo swirls were symmetrical left & right, both “above”, versus what is supposed to be “left side over, right side under”. Also, the bottom upcoming swirls did not cross the horizontal ones, but show a gap, something I had not seen before. Finally, in the word “patented” the N and the D are not fully stamped.

So I decided to not buy it, but looking through the forum I found a thread started by Springer in 2008, where this exact same clasp was shown (but by now we are in 2015) and considered counterfeit. I assume it was in the US at the time, so it has travelled over the years and ended up here. Unless there were more made from the identical dye.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=55405

I will try to insert the photo from 2015 below, since it is absolutely identical in all aspects.

But I am intrigued by what definitely looks like an excellent quality bracelet and clasp compared to all other double coronet fakes I have seen on the web. The coronets are identical to the GEN ones and the logo is executed with great detail, albeit not correctly swirled. And as said, I have never seen counterfeit where the bottom swirls coming up do not cross the horizontal ones (nor any GEN either of course). Also, the one I saw today had 7 adjustment holes in the clasp closure vs what is usually 6 in the counterfeit. So maybe a real closure piece on a counterfeit clasp?

So I am curious if there is any remote possibility, since the double coronets are thought to have been produced in small numbers only, that this could perhaps be the real thing? If I understand correctly, Rolex ordered bracelets from different manufacturers and we know that there are many minuscule dial differences from different manufacturers, that are all genuine. So why not bracelets. And maybe they were made in small numbers because of the swirly thing?

What do the experts think?

[springer]

The incorrect scroll-work on the clasp is indicative of a counterfeit clasp.

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by springer

The incorrect scroll-work on the clasp is indicative of a counterfeit clasp.

Agreed,I did a lot of research on these when one similar came my way.

[JustinK]

I see these often listed online. I was under the impression some are authentic with the coronet stamped on the clasp. Is this not correct?

[springer]

Originally Posted by JustinK

I see these often listed online. I was under the impression some are authentic with the coronet stamped on the clasp. Is this not correct?

Check the highlighted thread in the first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JustinK]

Originally Posted by springer

Check the highlighted thread in the first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That old thread is probably the reason I thought some were genuine.

[springer]

Originally Posted by JustinK

That old thread is probably the reason I thought some were genuine.

Some genuine Jubilees came with the small coronet in the bottom corner of the clasp during the early 1980s.

The improper scroll-work is from the fake watch bracelets. No genuine bracelets had incorrect scroll-work.

[FloridaSam]

[bieb1]

Thank you to all responders and thank you Springer for confirming, once again, that incorrect scroll-work (swirls) equates with fake clasps/bracelets.

For those interested or new to the subject, the differences are clearly visible if one compares the picture posted by FloridaSam (genuine) with the one I had re-posted at the top (counterfeit).