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zuber · 3 July 2019, 06:20 AM

Hi,

Here is my story in short:

1. I bought 16610 (black) on Watchfinder (2006, D-serial)
2. Sent it to RSC for service quote
3. Rolex confirmed that the watch is 16610LV version (green, Kermin) with changed parts to looks like 16610 (black)

See this thread for details:
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=679306

I am trying to restore it to the initial state, to be proper 16610LV (green, Kermit) and looking for any advices.

I have got the green bezel so far and looking for hands and dial.

See the photos. The green bezel insert is not installed yet, I just put in on top of the black one.
Any advice appreciated

Thanks,

mjclark32 · 3 July 2019, 06:26 AM

Did RSC say whether they themselves would bring it back to being an LV?
Will need maxi dial and hands. They used to be fairly inexpensive here in the parts section, but like everything else, the prices have gone up significantly.
I was under the impression that Rolex always wants to bring the watch back to the way it left the factory, so see if they'll do it.

sillo · 3 July 2019, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Did RSC say whether they themselves would bring it back to being an LV?
Will need maxi dial and hands. They used to be fairly inexpensive here in the parts section, but like everything else, the prices have gone up significantly.
I was under the impression that Rolex always wants to bring the watch back to the way it left the factory, so see if they'll do it.

This is what I was thinking.

zuber · 3 July 2019, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Did RSC say whether they themselves would bring it back to being an LV?
Will need maxi dial and hands. They used to be fairly inexpensive here in the parts section, but like everything else, the prices have gone up significantly.
I was under the impression that Rolex always wants to bring the watch back to the way it left the factory, so see if they'll do it.

I have asked them for that and they say: "Regrettably, the black maxi dial and green bezel insert for a 16610LV are supplied on a strict Geneva exchange basis only, therefore we are unable to obtain these components unless we have the originals to return."

So, in that case they will not bring the watch back to the way it left the factory.
And I think the above is the reason for very high prices of these parts right now.

singe89 · 3 July 2019, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuber

I have asked them for that and they say: "Regrettably, the black maxi dial and green bezel insert for a 16610LV are supplied on a strict Geneva exchange basis only, therefore we are unable to obtain these components unless we have the originals to return."

So, in that case they will not bring the watch back to the way it left the factory.
And I think the above is the reason for very high prices of these parts right now.

Can you send the watch back to rolex Geneva to verify and replace the original parts?

You're trying to follow Rolex rules by keeping a watch original I would think they would help.

zuber · 3 July 2019, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singe89

Can you send the watch back to rolex Geneva to verify and replace the original parts?

You're trying to follow Rolex rules by keeping a watch original I would think they would help.

I am not sure, since Rolex said already they will change it only when they have old parts for exchange.

I have found this
https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/dial-...-id9942766.htm

Dial and Hands, but the price.... very high :(

I would be happy to buy even damaged dial, but genuine one (and have it for exchange in RSC).

Luap1976 · 3 July 2019, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuber

I am not sure, since Rolex said already they will change it only when they have old parts for exchange.

I have found this
https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/dial-...-id9942766.htm

Dial and Hands, but the price.... very high :(

I would be happy to buy even damaged dial, but genuine one (and have it for exchange in RSC).

That dial is for a 2010 random serial 16610lv

Sublovin · 17 December 2019, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuber

I am not sure, since Rolex said already they will change it only when they have old parts for exchange.

I have found this
https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/dial-...-id9942766.htm

Dial and Hands, but the price.... very high :(

I would be happy to buy even damaged dial, but genuine one (and have it for exchange in RSC).

This doesn’t make sense to me. If you send a watch in that is fitted with the wrong parts, they will want to make it right. Buying the correct parts first seems like an unnecessary step. For example...if you send a watch in with a modified dial, they will want to change back to the correct original version.
Why would you need to purchase hands and dial?

Johny · 3 July 2019, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by singe89

Can you send the watch back to rolex Geneva to verify and replace the original parts?

You're trying to follow Rolex rules by keeping a watch original I would think they would help.

This is a good idea. A direct appeal in writing to Geneva explaining the circumstances might produce a positive result. The OP already has one of the three lv parts that he needs to satisfy the RSCs requirements.

Johny · 3 July 2019, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuber

I have asked them for that and they say: "Regrettably, the black maxi dial and green bezel insert for a 16610LV are supplied on a strict Geneva exchange basis only, therefore we are unable to obtain these components unless we have the originals to return."

So, in that case they will not bring the watch back to the way it left the factory.
And I think the above is the reason for very high prices of these parts right now.

If you could even get a damaged dial it would be replaced during the RSC service.

Luap1976 · 3 July 2019, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johny

If you could even get a damaged dial it would be replaced during the RSC service.

This is true

Johny · 3 July 2019, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luap1976

This is true

A less than perfect LV minute hand would also get the OP a replacement at the RSC service.

fskywalker · 3 July 2019, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuber

I have asked them for that and they say: "Regrettably, the black maxi dial and green bezel insert for a 16610LV are supplied on a strict Geneva exchange basis only, therefore we are unable to obtain these components unless we have the originals to return."

So, in that case they will not bring the watch back to the way it left the factory.

And I think the above is the reason for very high prices of these parts right now.

I think what that means is that they would keep your current dial and hands, which should be ok with you?

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Sweetswisssteel · 14 July 2019, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuber

I have asked them for that and they say: "Regrettably, the black maxi dial and green bezel insert for a 16610LV are supplied on a strict Geneva exchange basis only, therefore we are unable to obtain these components unless we have the originals to return."

So, in that case they will not bring the watch back to the way it left the factory.

And I think the above is the reason for very high prices of these parts right now.

Obviously you simply asked for the parts. They will never sell a punter parts, you always will need to send the watch in. Just send the watch to Rolex.

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TimeLord2 · 23 August 2019, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjclark32

Did RSC say whether they themselves would bring it back to being an LV?
Will need maxi dial and hands. They used to be fairly inexpensive here in the parts section, but like everything else, the prices have gone up significantly.
I was under the impression that Rolex always wants to bring the watch back to the way it left the factory, so see if they'll do it.

My impression as well after a visit to with my own watch. If the black dial and insert are not original to the watch they will replace them both to make it original. Even if they don't have the absolutely correct parts they will use approximate service replacements. On another note, I don't think the (only) guy in the service lobby had ever seen an early 1675 GMT in person based on his comments. "is the rotating bezel supposed to overhang the edge of the case?", "is it supposed to rotate in both directions.", "is this the original bracelet?", "did this watch come with an all brown insert?" WTF! I thought they were the experts!? He said, send it in for $500 to authenticate the watch, after that, we will charge you to replace the dial, the hands, the insert, The gold bezel (which is what I came in for to begin with) the bracelet (Just refurbished by Rolliworks 4 months back) that they deemed too fragile and should be replaced. After that, he carefully explained that the bezel would not be the same, I would have to purchase a new bracelet, the insert, dial and hands would not be replaced with a nipple dial, and I would have to purchase everything except maybe the movement and case. Oh and they would not even send it for service until I paid the $500 separately to authenticate, and would not sell me anything until said authentication. My Dad bought it new in the early 70s and gave it to me in 1985. It's been serviced twice and I showed him the receipts and the warranty cards. Sorry for the rant. No, not really…

Johny · 3 July 2019, 06:32 AM

It looks better already with the bezel on top.

There are for sale and want to buy sections on The Vintage Rolex Forum (VRF). It is always a good place to look for parts and place a WTB ad.

coaxial · 3 July 2019, 06:36 AM

Looks like you got yourself a great find and story to go along with it; Looking forward to seeing it back as a LV!

Luap1976 · 3 July 2019, 07:04 AM

Ask viper he sells 16610lv hands very often in this forum .as for the dial I also see them pretty often but you will need a period correct of dial.so I would not just buy the first dial you see unless is the correct layout for a d serial lv

Luap1976 · 3 July 2019, 07:08 AM

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=597294

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/rolex/dia...47782.htm#gref

There you go took 2 sec to find but saying that this lv dial for sale is for a 2010 random serial 16610lv the very last batch before the watch was discontinued so would not be correct period for your watch

Chaching · 3 July 2019, 07:15 AM

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

Luap1976 · 3 July 2019, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

Was probably done years ago well before the lv was super hot

Tangier11 · 5 September 2019, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luap1976

Was probably done years ago well before the lv was super hot

That what I was thinking, someone simply did not like it so they changed it

1665fan · 3 July 2019, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

Yea what I was thinking

strafer_kid · 3 July 2019, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

Could it be that the maxi dial and green insert of this Sub have found themselves on another Sub elsewhere that was passed off as an LV?

padi56 · 14 July 2019, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

Have to agree make no sense whatsoever.

Jarlaxle · 26 July 2019, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

+1. Doesn't make any sense at all.

cpefy3 · 26 July 2019, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

An unscrupulous seller (who is able to swap them out) trying to make a quick profit. As we have seen, the LV inserts and Maxi dial/hands command a premium compared to their LN counterparts. So they simply buy new LN parts install and sell the LV parts separate. Just a guess though.
After you do source them, I would definitely have an independent watchmaker install them and then have RSC do a full service. This way you will receive new "papers" showing that it is a true LV. Keep us updated, and Good Luck!!

Al1969 · 27 July 2019, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

That’s what I was thinking. Doesn’t make sense.

Qinhan · 24 August 2019, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

My thoughts exactly...

AJMarcus · 16 December 2019, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaching

Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!!

Something is off here.......

I agree

3 July 2019, 06:20 AM	#1
zuber "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: UK Watch: 16610LV Posts: 97	Restoring my anniversary Submariner Hi, Here is my story in short: 1. I bought 16610 (black) on Watchfinder (2006, D-serial) 2. Sent it to RSC for service quote 3. Rolex confirmed that the watch is 16610LV version (green, Kermin) with changed parts to looks like 16610 (black) See this thread for details: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=679306 I am trying to restore it to the initial state, to be proper 16610LV (green, Kermit) and looking for any advices. I have got the green bezel so far and looking for hands and dial. See the photos. The green bezel insert is not installed yet, I just put in on top of the black one. Any advice appreciated Thanks, Attached Images

3 July 2019, 06:26 AM	#2
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Did RSC say whether they themselves would bring it back to being an LV? Will need maxi dial and hands. They used to be fairly inexpensive here in the parts section, but like everything else, the prices have gone up significantly. I was under the impression that Rolex always wants to bring the watch back to the way it left the factory, so see if they'll do it. __________________

3 July 2019, 06:32 AM	#16
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	It looks better already with the bezel on top. There are for sale and want to buy sections on The Vintage Rolex Forum (VRF). It is always a good place to look for parts and place a WTB ad. __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

3 July 2019, 06:36 AM	#17
coaxial "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Naples, FL Watch: 5513, 116610LN Posts: 304	Looks like you got yourself a great find and story to go along with it; Looking forward to seeing it back as a LV! __________________ Watches: Rolex: 116610LN; 5513; 18238; 214270; 16613\| JLC: 3161.

3 July 2019, 07:04 AM	#18
Luap1976 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London Uk Watch: 116610lnBBetaBBhar Posts: 1,005	Ask viper he sells 16610lv hands very often in this forum .as for the dial I also see them pretty often but you will need a period correct of dial.so I would not just buy the first dial you see unless is the correct layout for a d serial lv

3 July 2019, 07:08 AM	#19
Luap1976 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: London Uk Watch: 116610lnBBetaBBhar Posts: 1,005	https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=597294 https://www.chrono24.co.uk/rolex/dia...47782.htm#gref There you go took 2 sec to find but saying that this lv dial for sale is for a 2010 random serial 16610lv the very last batch before the watch was discontinued so would not be correct period for your watch

3 July 2019, 07:15 AM	#20
Chaching "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: None of ya #@! Location: Somewhere Watch: Many! 116718 GOLD Posts: 2,137	Who in their right mind would convert a LV to a regular Submariner! Plus go through all the trouble dial and hands!!! Something is off here.......

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