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bhas · 11 July 2019, 03:01 PM

I am looking to buy a new Submariner Date, GMT Master II, or Explorer II Polar. This would be my first Rolex purchase (really my first watch purchase period) and want to go new. However, I have been to 6 ADs and the best answer I have received is "at least a 2 year wait". I thought about going grey, but the thought of paying 2-5k over retail hurts. Would you:

Buy a Tudor Pelagos/BB Now and sell it later when the shortage is done
Buy A Marked Up Grey
Wait It Out

Thoughts?

Empatho · 11 July 2019, 03:15 PM

I’m waiting it out, I do not like to pay more then msrp.

c41006 · 11 July 2019, 03:21 PM

I’d wait it out and see what happens. The Tudors you listed are fantastic watches but they won’t scratch the Rolex itch.

scombs263 · 11 July 2019, 03:24 PM

I’m waiting it out too. But Rolex 216570 Explorer II isn’t too far off from grey if u shop around. That’s a great watch.

JayHantz · 11 July 2019, 03:55 PM

If you’re a patient man, I would wait it out. If not, then go gray.

huba01 · 11 July 2019, 04:05 PM

Deceide if you want a sub, gmt or the explorer and then buy from a trusted seller would be my advice.
You could be waiting a long time GMT LN is no longer in production so you might have to go grey anyway.
Good Luck

RJRJRJ · 11 July 2019, 04:09 PM

Stop in as many places in person as you can and give them your info and say you're looking for a Sub or an explorer II. Omit the GMT as that ship has most likely sailed.

Give it a month or two and see what happens and then reassess.

TswaneNguni · 11 July 2019, 04:45 PM

Difficult time for the first time buyer .Just remember,ADs WANT so sell to first time buyers but have difficulty with the awful flipper ....

I would suggest the following ..

Go long term and buy a DJ41 Jubilee now.Excellent design !! Wait patiently for a sports model of your choice,it will come .Then you have a great two watch collection .

Dont go grey .I never have and never will on Rolex ,unless they have something you want at less than MRSP .

Navarino · 11 July 2019, 06:24 PM

I'd continue stopping by AD shops in-person. As some have said, the GMT II is going to be a lot tougher to acquire in the current market. That being said, once you share with someone at an AD what you're interested in and get their "rinse and repeat" decline response, maybe follow up with an acknowledgement of the GMT being a long wait but seeing if the waits are at least a lot better for the Sub or the Exp II. I have a really hard time believing wait times for either of those watches is 2 years now...

dxbtousa · 11 July 2019, 06:32 PM

216570 Should be had more easily from AD. Just be honest and wait

Pelagos blue/black are fantastic watches - I wouldnt sell that if I bought it in the interim.

Submariner and GMT, I wouldnt wait for.. But you can find TT GMT's available.

Whichever way you swing it you can get a great watch in the near future without grey market punishment.

tanask211 · 11 July 2019, 07:24 PM

Get a BB GMT to quench your thirst.

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Flybak · 11 July 2019, 07:45 PM

I would wait it out - I think a two year wait for a Sub or Explorer II is excessive and you're likely to be able to source much sooner than that. If you like the other options as part of a collection, they are great pieces but don't look at them solely as holdovers because that will not give you a feeling of satisfaction once the novelty as worn off. Good luck

Rocket launcher · 11 July 2019, 08:03 PM

Wait it out

Andad · 11 July 2019, 08:07 PM

Hi.

Six AD’s have given you an answer.

What is your decision?

Tokyo Mike · 11 July 2019, 08:13 PM

Explorer 2 is no easier to get than any other.

dxbtousa · 11 July 2019, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokyo Mike

Explorer 2 is no easier to get than any other.

Absolutely not true.

dxbtousa · 11 July 2019, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokyo Mike

Explorer 2 is no easier to get than any other.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxbtousa

Absolutely not true.

This is in the last 6 months, at two separate AD's
Spot the Explorer's

March 2019

July 2019 (wrist shot is from same case)

yoniman · 11 July 2019, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhas

I am looking to buy a new Submariner Date, GMT Master II, or Explorer II Polar. This would be my first Rolex purchase (really my first watch purchase period) and want to go new. However, I have been to 6 ADs and the best answer I have received is "at least a 2 year wait". I thought about going grey, but the thought of paying 2-5k over retail hurts. Would you:

Buy a Tudor Pelagos/BB Now and sell it later when the shortage is done
Buy A Marked Up Grey
Wait It Out

Thoughts?

Wait.

Get what you want or something near or second to what you want.

You may consider buying "something" from your AD just to build some rapport or "relationship"

Be nice to them. Politeness and respect is well reciprocated.

Cheers

Lgear080 · 11 July 2019, 08:21 PM

I’ve seen an explorer in an AD case within the last 6 months. I think you’ve gotta look a little harder or step up to a two tone for new. Why are you so hung up on buying a brand new watch? These last for decades and longer - often outlasting their owners. Why not purchase a pre-loved time piece?

brandrea · 11 July 2019, 08:30 PM

I’d try to work with a smaller AD and build a rapport with them. I believe a Submariner or Explorer will show up sooner than what you’ve been quoted.

Also, there’s a big difference to visiting an AD in person vs. calling.

Good luck

bp1000 · 11 July 2019, 08:40 PM

welcome to TRF

As you've established, there is certainly a wait at the moment. 2 years may be a bit strong and worse case to be honest.

If you can, add a black bay in the meantime.

You are going to wait some time for a BB58 (which quite frankly is, in my opinion, one of the best divers made in recent times)... and you'll wait for the GMT too. Both maybe 6-9 months.

BB41 and Pelagos especially can be picked up very easily, at a discount. You will either need to really like it and keep it or wait to sell it on as they aren't "hot" models but will sell. Privately at perhaps -35% RRP quite quickly.

But to honest, if you like the titanium Pelagos its a stunning and very technical watch for the money. Its bracelet and clasp with active adjustment should be on way more expensive models.

The LHD model is my fav and the blue is stunning too, makes a perfect holiday watch on the rubber strap too.

Watchflair · 11 July 2019, 08:44 PM

I think you’ll luck out and find an Explorer II in a case. They do get them in and they do go in the case. My AD in NY has had two in the past two/three months in the case. GMT and Sub are less likely but it can’t hurt to ask.

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beshannon · 11 July 2019, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhas

I am looking to buy a new Submariner Date, GMT Master II, or Explorer II Polar. This would be my first Rolex purchase (really my first watch purchase period) and want to go new. However, I have been to 6 ADs and the best answer I have received is "at least a 2 year wait". I thought about going grey, but the thought of paying 2-5k over retail hurts. Would you:

Buy a Tudor Pelagos/BB Now and sell it later when the shortage is done
Buy A Marked Up Grey
Wait It Out

Thoughts?

If you really want a Rolex without paying a markup then you have to wait.

Don't get into the thought process of flipping, this wont help you.

Have you looked at other brands of watches?

1William · 11 July 2019, 09:37 PM

I would go Polar Explorer II and check out the websites of some of our Trusted Sellers. This is not a hard find and you can get one at retail or slightly above for new. By the time you pay tax at an AD you are basically at the same place. And the watch will be to you by 1030 the next day. Why wait and waste your time. Go get your watch.

Amochosto · 11 July 2019, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhas

I am looking to buy a new Submariner Date, GMT Master II, or Explorer II Polar. This would be my first Rolex purchase (really my first watch purchase period) and want to go new. However, I have been to 6 ADs and the best answer I have received is "at least a 2 year wait". I thought about going grey, but the thought of paying 2-5k over retail hurts. Would you:

Buy a Tudor Pelagos/BB Now and sell it later when the shortage is done
Buy A Marked Up Grey
Wait It Out

Thoughts?

What I’d suggest is waiting it out but getting a cheap Seiko diver to hold you over rather than loosing a grand selling a Tudor when your Rolex comes in. I like Tudors and own a couple (with no plans to sell) but you can spend around a hundred bucks on a Seiko which in my opinion is way higher quality than its price point would suggest.

This is one I bought as a ‘beater’ and to tide me over while I waited for a Pepsi I was a bit surprised by how much I liked it.

joli160 · 11 July 2019, 09:45 PM

Can't look in your wallet but 2-5K over is nothing in lifetime ownership.
I hate waiting so I would buy it today to have it delivered asap on my doorstep

slegg2008 · 11 July 2019, 09:51 PM

I'd vote to wait - at least that's what I'm doing. If you have any family / friends who are clients at any ADs, might help to try to leverage that to see if it helps your list situation.

bigfatpauli · 11 July 2019, 09:54 PM

Consider a JLC.

sachit · 11 July 2019, 10:09 PM

Submariner Date. If its your first then wait,it will take some time but not two years. Register your name and keep on following with the ADs.

Dsmith1974 · 11 July 2019, 10:18 PM

Grey is the only sane option. The prices are only going to go up while you wait and the shortage won’t end.

11 July 2019, 03:01 PM	#1
bhas "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Southeast Posts: 21	What To Do I am looking to buy a new Submariner Date, GMT Master II, or Explorer II Polar. This would be my first Rolex purchase (really my first watch purchase period) and want to go new. However, I have been to 6 ADs and the best answer I have received is "at least a 2 year wait". I thought about going grey, but the thought of paying 2-5k over retail hurts. Would you: Buy a Tudor Pelagos/BB Now and sell it later when the shortage is done Buy A Marked Up Grey Wait It Out Thoughts?

11 July 2019, 08:07 PM	#14
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,533	Hi. Six AD’s have given you an answer. What is your decision? __________________ E

11 July 2019, 08:44 PM	#22
Watchflair 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Jim Location: Westchester NY Watch: Love em all Posts: 5,920	I think you’ll luck out and find an Explorer II in a case. They do get them in and they do go in the case. My AD in NY has had two in the past two/three months in the case. GMT and Sub are less likely but it can’t hurt to ask. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Remember what matters. Value everyday

11 July 2019, 09:45 PM	#26
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,759	Can't look in your wallet but 2-5K over is nothing in lifetime ownership. I hate waiting so I would buy it today to have it delivered asap on my doorstep __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

11 July 2019, 03:15 PM	#2
Empatho "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: San Diego Posts: 14	I’m waiting it out, I do not like to pay more then msrp.

11 July 2019, 03:21 PM	#3
c41006 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Joshua Location: Atlanta Watch: Pelagos Posts: 7,933	I’d wait it out and see what happens. The Tudors you listed are fantastic watches but they won’t scratch the Rolex itch.

11 July 2019, 03:24 PM	#4
scombs263 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: COMBS#263 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Watch: Rolex SD43 Posts: 2,193	I’m waiting it out too. But Rolex 216570 Explorer II isn’t too far off from grey if u shop around. That’s a great watch.

11 July 2019, 03:55 PM	#5
JayHantz 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Real Name: Jonathan Location: Texas Watch: @Escapementt Posts: 9,844	If you’re a patient man, I would wait it out. If not, then go gray.

11 July 2019, 04:05 PM	#6
huba01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,449	Deceide if you want a sub, gmt or the explorer and then buy from a trusted seller would be my advice. You could be waiting a long time GMT LN is no longer in production so you might have to go grey anyway. Good Luck

11 July 2019, 04:09 PM	#7
RJRJRJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,495	Stop in as many places in person as you can and give them your info and say you're looking for a Sub or an explorer II. Omit the GMT as that ship has most likely sailed. Give it a month or two and see what happens and then reassess.

11 July 2019, 04:45 PM	#8
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Difficult time for the first time buyer .Just remember,ADs WANT so sell to first time buyers but have difficulty with the awful flipper .... I would suggest the following .. Go long term and buy a DJ41 Jubilee now.Excellent design !! Wait patiently for a sports model of your choice,it will come .Then you have a great two watch collection . Dont go grey .I never have and never will on Rolex ,unless they have something you want at less than MRSP .

11 July 2019, 06:24 PM	#9
Navarino 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: USA Posts: 3,411	I'd continue stopping by AD shops in-person. As some have said, the GMT II is going to be a lot tougher to acquire in the current market. That being said, once you share with someone at an AD what you're interested in and get their "rinse and repeat" decline response, maybe follow up with an acknowledgement of the GMT being a long wait but seeing if the waits are at least a lot better for the Sub or the Exp II. I have a really hard time believing wait times for either of those watches is 2 years now...

11 July 2019, 06:32 PM	#10
dxbtousa "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: dubai Posts: 673	216570 Should be had more easily from AD. Just be honest and wait Pelagos blue/black are fantastic watches - I wouldnt sell that if I bought it in the interim. Submariner and GMT, I wouldnt wait for.. But you can find TT GMT's available. Whichever way you swing it you can get a great watch in the near future without grey market punishment.

11 July 2019, 07:24 PM	#11
tanask211 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 318	Get a BB GMT to quench your thirst. Sent from my HMA-L29 using Tapatalk

11 July 2019, 07:45 PM	#12
Flybak "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Canada Watch: Enthusiast Posts: 1,606	I would wait it out - I think a two year wait for a Sub or Explorer II is excessive and you're likely to be able to source much sooner than that. If you like the other options as part of a collection, they are great pieces but don't look at them solely as holdovers because that will not give you a feeling of satisfaction once the novelty as worn off. Good luck

11 July 2019, 08:03 PM	#13
Rocket launcher Banned Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: England Posts: 989	Wait it out

11 July 2019, 08:13 PM	#15
Tokyo Mike Banned Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Japan Posts: 195	Explorer 2 is no easier to get than any other.

11 July 2019, 08:21 PM	#19
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	I’ve seen an explorer in an AD case within the last 6 months. I think you’ve gotta look a little harder or step up to a two tone for new. Why are you so hung up on buying a brand new watch? These last for decades and longer - often outlasting their owners. Why not purchase a pre-loved time piece?

11 July 2019, 08:30 PM	#20
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,097	I’d try to work with a smaller AD and build a rapport with them. I believe a Submariner or Explorer will show up sooner than what you’ve been quoted. Also, there’s a big difference to visiting an AD in person vs. calling. Good luck

11 July 2019, 08:40 PM	#21
bp1000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 4,973	welcome to TRF As you've established, there is certainly a wait at the moment. 2 years may be a bit strong and worse case to be honest. If you can, add a black bay in the meantime. You are going to wait some time for a BB58 (which quite frankly is, in my opinion, one of the best divers made in recent times)... and you'll wait for the GMT too. Both maybe 6-9 months. BB41 and Pelagos especially can be picked up very easily, at a discount. You will either need to really like it and keep it or wait to sell it on as they aren't "hot" models but will sell. Privately at perhaps -35% RRP quite quickly. But to honest, if you like the titanium Pelagos its a stunning and very technical watch for the money. Its bracelet and clasp with active adjustment should be on way more expensive models. The LHD model is my fav and the blue is stunning too, makes a perfect holiday watch on the rubber strap too.

11 July 2019, 09:37 PM	#24
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,776	I would go Polar Explorer II and check out the websites of some of our Trusted Sellers. This is not a hard find and you can get one at retail or slightly above for new. By the time you pay tax at an AD you are basically at the same place. And the watch will be to you by 1030 the next day. Why wait and waste your time. Go get your watch.

11 July 2019, 09:51 PM	#27
slegg2008 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: Houston Posts: 4	I'd vote to wait - at least that's what I'm doing. If you have any family / friends who are clients at any ADs, might help to try to leverage that to see if it helps your list situation.

11 July 2019, 09:54 PM	#28
bigfatpauli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Toronto Posts: 684	Consider a JLC.

11 July 2019, 10:09 PM	#29
sachit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: india Posts: 455	Submariner Date. If its your first then wait,it will take some time but not two years. Register your name and keep on following with the ADs.

11 July 2019, 10:18 PM	#30
Dsmith1974 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Real Name: Duncan Location: London Watch: DD 40 Posts: 2,263	Grey is the only sane option. The prices are only going to go up while you wait and the shortage won’t end.

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