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white__light · 24 July 2019, 03:15 AM

Can anyone offer an opinion on the authenticity of the Sub offered in this eBay auction?

Seller has only a small amount of feedback and interestingly sold a similar Sub within the last 6 months:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ROLEX...53.m1431.l2649

Thank you!

dxbtousa · 24 July 2019, 03:26 AM

Seems most of the feedback is buyer side and also the pictures are shit.
Golden rule: buy the seller

spoilsofwar01 · 24 July 2019, 03:31 AM

id give it a miss,

antrolexsub · 24 July 2019, 04:16 AM

The watch is fake. I’m betting that fake invoice and warranty card are printed with details from Zegg & Cerlati in Monaco. Seen a few of those doing the rounds recently. I recently posted a 116500 with the same set up.

214270Explorer · 24 July 2019, 05:01 AM

If you are smart you will forget about this one.

edweather · 24 July 2019, 06:09 AM

Why risk it?

antrolexsub · 24 July 2019, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edweather

Why risk it?

It’s not a risk, it’s a certainty, the watch is fake.

dxbtousa · 24 July 2019, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

It’s not a risk, it’s a certainty, the watch is fake.

I agree with you - but could you share some wristbuster pointers on which parts are visibly fake, for a peasant like myself.

locutus49 · 24 July 2019, 06:18 AM

Fake questions are YES or NO. Details are not supplied. Otherwise fakers use the details to improve their fakes. Please do not buy expensive watches off eBay unless you are an expert.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxbtousa

I agree with you - but could you share some wristbuster pointers on which parts are visibly fake, for a peasant like myself.

dxbtousa · 24 July 2019, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locutus49

Fake questions are YES or NO. Details are not supplied. Otherwise fakers use the details to improve their fakes. Please do not buy expensive watches off eBay unless you are an expert.

Do you really think people creating fakes will look at this comment and 'improve' - have you not seen the latest fakes coming out of their fake factory.
You wouldn't be able to tell looking at a photo.

crowncollection · 24 July 2019, 07:50 AM

Pass

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white__light · 24 July 2019, 10:51 PM

Thanks everyone for your comments.

I will most definitely be passing on this one!

antrolexsub · 25 July 2019, 04:20 AM

tigey · 25 July 2019, 10:45 AM

if you guys think that the counterfeiters read this forum to improve their fakes based on our observations and discussion of "tells" that is completely incorrect. They must get waay better and more accurate reference from the high resolution 10 X magnification pics in "look at my new watch" threads where we post pics showing intricate details of all our watches. Its basically a blue print they can upload into any CAD program and get dimensions etc...

antrolexsub · 25 July 2019, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tigey

if you guys think that the counterfeiters read this forum to improve their fakes based on our observations and discussion of "tells" that is completely incorrect. They must get waay better and more accurate reference from the high resolution 10 X magnification pics in "look at my new watch" threads where we post pics showing intricate details of all our watches. Its basically a blue print they can upload into any CAD program and get dimensions etc...

That’s not why tells aren’t discussed. The counterfeiters are running multi million dollar operations. Lathes, CNC machines etc aren’t cheap. The can and do buy multiple genuine watches to copy. They know exactly what’s wrong with the fake watches they produce.

The point is to make life harder for John Doe who’s recently bought a fake $700 116610LN online with a fake warranty card and genuine box, manuals, tag etc and is now going to stick it up on eBay.

If we were to point out that, for example, the crown height is in the wrong position, he’d just not photograph the watch from the crown side. If we were to point out the inner clasp engravings were wrong, he’d just not photograph the inner clasp. If we were to point out the coronet on the dial is wrong, he’d set the hands over it when taking photos.

I had the same discussion with Adam/Gladiator a while back and made the same points as you. It was he who pointed out the above, something which I didn’t think of at the time.

Rolexoman · 25 July 2019, 12:26 PM

I personally would never buy a home high end watch off eBay ..l

blada4life · 25 July 2019, 04:27 PM

The pictures are such crap it’s hard to tell anything. The rehaut close up is a give away

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white__light · 26 July 2019, 06:13 AM

This watch has been re-listed - with a €1 starting price! - and has already been bid up to nearly €7000

antrolexsub · 27 July 2019, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white__light

This watch has been re-listed - with a €1 starting price! - and has already been bid up to nearly €7000

Relisted again with another eBay account Dash.Trade ...

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F163793549734

Topspin14m · 27 July 2019, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

Relisted again with another eBay account Dash.Trade ...

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F163793549734

What is sad is that if you look at his feedback, he got positive feedback from someone who bought an even more obvious fake (i.e. even a putz like me can see it): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-rolex...p2047675.l2557

vintagetudor · 28 July 2019, 07:43 PM

Its the same watch he keeps trying to sell....obviously buying it back himself each time....all of his feedback is for mens underwear

antrolexsub · 28 July 2019, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetudor

...all of his feedback is for mens underwear

He’ll be needing those if Rolex’s lawyers go after him

antrolexsub · 29 July 2019, 01:03 AM

Relisted again under another eBay account. Selmanebed ...

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F133126448164

24 July 2019, 03:15 AM	#1
white__light "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Craig Location: London Posts: 68	eBay Submariner - does this look legit? Can anyone offer an opinion on the authenticity of the Sub offered in this eBay auction? Seller has only a small amount of feedback and interestingly sold a similar Sub within the last 6 months: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-ROLEX...53.m1431.l2649 Thank you!

24 July 2019, 03:31 AM	#3
spoilsofwar01 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: "H" Location: England Watch: ing Rainclouds Posts: 1,439	id give it a miss, __________________ "H" 5513 Submariner 1968 114270 Explorer 2005 Smiths W10 1968 Tissot Seastar 2011

24 July 2019, 05:01 AM	#5
214270Explorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: United States Watch: me buy Watches Posts: 3,955	If you are smart you will forget about this one. __________________ “The display of actual intelligence terrifies much of mankind” Rolex "some" Tudor "some" Damasko "some" Misc Pieces "some" Marathon "some" GS Spring Drive "some" Hamilton "some" Findeisen "some"

24 July 2019, 06:09 AM	#6
edweather "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: Georgia, USA Watch: Casio Illuminator Posts: 650	Why risk it? __________________ An expert under pressure is a drip.

24 July 2019, 07:50 AM	#11
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Pass Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

24 July 2019, 03:26 AM	#2
dxbtousa "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: dubai Posts: 673	Seems most of the feedback is buyer side and also the pictures are shit. Golden rule: buy the seller

24 July 2019, 04:16 AM	#4
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 766	The watch is fake. I’m betting that fake invoice and warranty card are printed with details from Zegg & Cerlati in Monaco. Seen a few of those doing the rounds recently. I recently posted a 116500 with the same set up.

24 July 2019, 10:51 PM	#12
white__light "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Craig Location: London Posts: 68	Thanks everyone for your comments. I will most definitely be passing on this one!

25 July 2019, 04:20 AM	#13
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 766

25 July 2019, 10:45 AM	#14
tigey "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Belize Posts: 271	if you guys think that the counterfeiters read this forum to improve their fakes based on our observations and discussion of "tells" that is completely incorrect. They must get waay better and more accurate reference from the high resolution 10 X magnification pics in "look at my new watch" threads where we post pics showing intricate details of all our watches. Its basically a blue print they can upload into any CAD program and get dimensions etc...

25 July 2019, 12:26 PM	#16
Rolexoman "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Real Name: William Location: Houston Texas Watch: Rolex Datejust II Posts: 761	I personally would never buy a home high end watch off eBay ..l __________________ Citizens Eco-Drive BL1258-53L Rolex DJII 116334, Tudor Heritage Black Bay 79230R Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra GMT 231.13.43.22.02.004 Ulysse Nardin Marine Torpilleur 1183.310/40 MAS Irukandji Vostok Komandirskie B&R BR0392-D-G-BR/SCA Vostok Komandirskie (Tank) South Bend Model 1 #716632 Vostok Amphibia (Sub)

25 July 2019, 04:27 PM	#17
blada4life "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: USA Posts: 1,044	The pictures are such crap it’s hard to tell anything. The rehaut close up is a give away Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

26 July 2019, 06:13 AM	#18
white__light "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Real Name: Craig Location: London Posts: 68	This watch has been re-listed - with a €1 starting price! - and has already been bid up to nearly €7000

28 July 2019, 07:43 PM	#21
vintagetudor "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: united kingdom Posts: 123	Its the same watch he keeps trying to sell....obviously buying it back himself each time....all of his feedback is for mens underwear

29 July 2019, 01:03 AM	#23
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 766	Relisted again under another eBay account. Selmanebed ... https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F133126448164

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