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FTX I · 11 September 2019, 07:59 AM

Love the classic Defender. What's your take on the new one?

https://www.businessinsider.com/land...eatures-2019-9

locutus49 · 11 September 2019, 08:23 AM

I like the small one.

GB-man · 11 September 2019, 08:38 AM

Been waiting for this for years. A lot to process. Tempted to order but the usual fears of spending long afternoons staring at vintage snow shoes and drinking shit coffee in the service department have me second guessing.

swils8610 · 11 September 2019, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Been waiting for this for years. A lot to process. Tempted to order but the usual fears of spending long afternoons staring at vintage snow shoes and drinking shit coffee in the service department have me second guessing.

Lol! Made me laugh Tom. First model year will be a disaster with issues. You may need to pack a lunch when bringing it in for service...your LC is bullet proof.

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RobearH · 11 September 2019, 08:38 AM

Meh...2 door could have been so much better and open air like the original.

Dr.Brian · 11 September 2019, 08:40 AM

No way. I knew that they would tart it all up.
Loaded is in the 80’s. Hard pass. I’m glad I didn’t wait.

FTX I · 11 September 2019, 08:44 AM

The 90 is awesome like the classic. Not sure the new one will be as tough as the old one though.

~JJ · 11 September 2019, 08:55 AM

This will take some time to process and may need to see it in person. On first look, I really dislike like the exterior design and keeps me longing for the prior gen. Mercedes is able to balance luxury with a boxy old school design with the g wagon, not so much with new D90/110. Feels like a techy/hipster ride vs an off-road tool... I know most don’t off-road, but I do.

El Cascarrabias · 11 September 2019, 09:09 AM

Looks like RR did to the Defender what Rolex did to the Submariner.

Probably a better vehicle overall but something was lost.

Like? Some will, some won't.

superdog · 11 September 2019, 09:03 AM

I saw this earlier. I’m very much not a fan.

SearChart · 11 September 2019, 09:06 AM

I like it, but I will always prefer the old Defender.

FTX I · 11 September 2019, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

I like it, but I will always prefer the old Defender.

Agree. However the classic is a pain to drive IMO.

Chewbacca · 11 September 2019, 09:26 AM

It’s OK. Like the front bench seat option.

Gimme a used FJ any day.

Wesley Crusher · 11 September 2019, 09:32 AM

Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

FTX I · 12 September 2019, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

lol c'mon buddy. not a disaster

Wesley Crusher · 12 September 2019, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FTX I

lol c'mon buddy. not a disaster

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

Mercedes, for example, did a great job with the new G Wagon. They kept the iconic styling, but managed it update it in many ways. I wish LR would have done something similar, even if it meant a starting price that is 20-30k more.

GB-man · 12 September 2019, 02:24 AM

I disagree, I think if anything it is the opposite. MB has turned the G wagon into a chariot for the rich and famous and refuses to offer one enthusiasts can take off road. For this reason likely less than 1/100 buyers ever venture off pavement. You need over 100k to step foot in one.

The defender can be had for 55k and with factory options such as steel wheels, rooftop tent, winch etc

Sure the styling is not a direct descendant but what they are offering seems far better than what I was expecting, which is the exact same thing with a starting price around 80k.

Anyone here own a discovery 5? I am wondering if this factory in Slovakia makes crap or not so bad lol

Wesley Crusher · 12 September 2019, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

I disagree, I think if anything it is the opposite. MB has turned the G wagon into a chariot for the rich and famous and refuses to offer one enthusiasts can take off road. For this reason likely less than 1/100 buyers ever venture off pavement. You need over 100k to step foot in one.

The defender can be had for 55k and with factory options such as steel wheels, rooftop tent, winch etc

Sure the styling is not a direct descendant but what they are offering seems far better than what I was expecting, which is the exact same thing with a starting price around 80k.

Anyone here own a discovery 5? I am wondering if this factory in Slovakia makes crap or not so bad lol

Yea, but the G has been getting more and more lux over the past 15+ years. It wasn’t an all of a sudden kind of thing. And Benz does offer a stripped down version, the G Professional. Of course we don’t get it here in the states because we never get the cool cars and honestly, there’s probably no real market for it here.

The styling of the Defender is just so off putting for me, but that’s a very subjective thing so YMMV. I do like the steel wheels though lol.

FTX I · 12 September 2019, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

I get it. Many prefer the '4 digit LR', some like me love the 5 digit, but the 6 digit is highly controversial lol. It's not a tool anymore just some jewelry on four wheels..

superdog · 12 September 2019, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

Mercedes, for example, did a great job with the new G Wagon. They kept the iconic styling, but managed it update it in many ways. I wish LR would have done something similar, even if it meant a starting price that is 20-30k more.

while I kind of like the supra.

I think a lot of people might agree that the supra is as big, if not bigger.

Laszlo · 14 September 2019, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I am seriously trying to think of a bigger automotive snafu in recent years and I just cannot come up with anything.

Mercedes, for example, did a great job with the new G Wagon. They kept the iconic styling, but managed it update it in many ways. I wish LR would have done something similar, even if it meant a starting price that is 20-30k more.

The Aztek. I saw one on eBay for $460 dollars.

tritium8 · 15 September 2019, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

Ouch!

I guess the truth hurts, sometimes.

Flyinghunter · 11 September 2019, 10:36 AM

The new design abandons the rich legacy of the original. It looks like a Scion or Kia Soul but likely without their reliability. MB did the 2019 G Wagon exceptionally well as they created the first meaningful update in 30 years while remaining true to its heritage. Anyone remember the Mustang II, an abysmal iteration of the legacy Stang?

East Bay Rider · 11 September 2019, 11:25 AM

I wanted not to hate it but it's not tall, utilitarian and with straight axles. Those are the things I liked most about the previous generations. Do they even know/care why people liked the old ones?
Sigh, I'm sure this will be a big hit at the mall.

PackPride · 11 September 2019, 11:32 AM

Missed a big opportunity- not a fan of the new ones.

rmlovett1 · 11 September 2019, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SearChart

I like it, but I will always prefer the old Defender.

⬆️⬆️⬆️ Exactly!

kirksingleton · 11 September 2019, 01:01 PM

Love the old ones, this is just fugly

minty007 · 11 September 2019, 02:13 PM

The technology is impressive, but the aesthetics... S O F T.

Laszlo · 11 September 2019, 02:27 PM

That thing is absolutely painful to look at. How disastrous.

DLRIDES · 11 September 2019, 05:42 PM

Ford Motor Company called and wants their Flex back !

11 September 2019, 07:59 AM	#1
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GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	Been waiting for this for years. A lot to process. Tempted to order but the usual fears of spending long afternoons staring at vintage snow shoes and drinking shit coffee in the service department have me second guessing. __________________

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Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	No way. I knew that they would tart it all up. Loaded is in the 80’s. Hard pass. I’m glad I didn’t wait. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

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El Cascarrabias "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Frank Location: USA Watch: 16613LB Posts: 1,006	Looks like RR did to the Defender what Rolex did to the Submariner. Probably a better vehicle overall but something was lost. Like? Some will, some won't. __________________ _________ <=> You really need to be, not seem to be.

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11 September 2019, 08:23 AM	#2
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	I like the small one.

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RobearH Banned Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Robear Location: Come and Take It! Watch: 126710 BLRO Posts: 1,632	Meh...2 door could have been so much better and open air like the original.

11 September 2019, 08:44 AM	#7
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	The 90 is awesome like the classic. Not sure the new one will be as tough as the old one though.

11 September 2019, 08:55 AM	#8
~JJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: explorer Posts: 2,292	This will take some time to process and may need to see it in person. On first look, I really dislike like the exterior design and keeps me longing for the prior gen. Mercedes is able to balance luxury with a boxy old school design with the g wagon, not so much with new D90/110. Feels like a techy/hipster ride vs an off-road tool... I know most don’t off-road, but I do.

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Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	It’s OK. Like the front bench seat option. Gimme a used FJ any day.

11 September 2019, 09:32 AM	#14
Wesley Crusher "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Wes Location: Holosuite Posts: 6,345	Looks terrible, IMO. Kia Soul knockoff.

12 September 2019, 02:24 AM	#17
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	I disagree, I think if anything it is the opposite. MB has turned the G wagon into a chariot for the rich and famous and refuses to offer one enthusiasts can take off road. For this reason likely less than 1/100 buyers ever venture off pavement. You need over 100k to step foot in one. The defender can be had for 55k and with factory options such as steel wheels, rooftop tent, winch etc Sure the styling is not a direct descendant but what they are offering seems far better than what I was expecting, which is the exact same thing with a starting price around 80k. Anyone here own a discovery 5? I am wondering if this factory in Slovakia makes crap or not so bad lol __________________

11 September 2019, 10:36 AM	#23
Flyinghunter "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: South Posts: 342	The new design abandons the rich legacy of the original. It looks like a Scion or Kia Soul but likely without their reliability. MB did the 2019 G Wagon exceptionally well as they created the first meaningful update in 30 years while remaining true to its heritage. Anyone remember the Mustang II, an abysmal iteration of the legacy Stang?

11 September 2019, 11:25 AM	#24
East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 12,073	I wanted not to hate it but it's not tall, utilitarian and with straight axles. Those are the things I liked most about the previous generations. Do they even know/care why people liked the old ones? Sigh, I'm sure this will be a big hit at the mall. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

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PackPride "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: North Carolina Posts: 173	Missed a big opportunity- not a fan of the new ones.

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kirksingleton "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,759	Love the old ones, this is just fugly

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minty007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 6	The technology is impressive, but the aesthetics... S O F T.

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Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	That thing is absolutely painful to look at. How disastrous. __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

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DLRIDES 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Real Name: Don Location: NC/WY Watch: Me Posts: 4,676	Ford Motor Company called and wants their Flex back ! __________________ *Purchasing your first non HOA home on a 3 acre lot DOES NOT equate to owning a “farm”.*

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