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29 October 2019, 06:54 PM | #1 |
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Help Needed: Cheap alternative to Patek 5270P
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I need your expertise! The 5270P is my grail and despite recently considering selling most of my collection to make it happen, in truth it’s a bit too much hassle, especially as it would mean losing some watches I don’t really want to let go. But, it has got me thinking about the next phase of my watch enthusiast journey, and it’s time to move away from the Sports Watch obsession. I’m looking to spend somewhere between £20k and £50k with £30k-£35k probably being the sweet spot. I have some basic size requirements. Between 38mm and 41mm diameter and case depth of between 11mm and 13mm (I want this to be dressier than a sports watch, but not a dress watch, I want it to have wrist presence). Perfect size would be 39.5mm x 12mm. I don’t want it to be on a metal or rubber strap (or a nato, obviously). The dial needs to have something about it, I’m not looking for a plain dial, so it will need to have a complication. I’d like an annual calendar as I think they are cool, or ideally a Perpetual Calendar, but given my case depth requirements and my budget, I suspect I will be looking at a Chronograph, which is fine. I don’t mind a manual movement, unless it is an annual or perpetual calendar, in which case it will need to be automatic. Two obvious candidates are the Lange 1815 Chronograph and the Patek 5205. This is a new area for me so I would appreciate any guidance. If there is anything interesting which doesn’t fit my exact requirements but you really think it could be a curveball that I might want to have a sniff at (I.e. F.P.Journe or Parmigiani which have a thinner case but are super interesting, then please say). As always, wrists shots help enormously. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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29 October 2019, 07:30 PM | #2 |
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How about something like a 3940? Can be had at pretty decent prices...
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29 October 2019, 07:46 PM | #3 | |
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Really nice watch, but a bit small and little too dressy for my tastes. I don’t have the elegance to wear something like that (I live in hope that I will when I grow up, but at 45 I’m starting to lose hope!!!) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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29 October 2019, 08:09 PM | #4 |
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First generation ALS in platinum is going for around $46k. That seems to fit all your requirements. I also think it will appreciate over the next few years.
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What reference number and year would you recommend I look at? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Lange 1 Moonphase perhaps?
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29 October 2019, 08:44 PM | #8 |
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Would prefer a thicker case, but it is stunning so will investigate! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I’d definitely recommend a Datograph. I think it fits exactly what you’re looking for. Wrist presence, leather strap, complication, beautiful design.
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What about a Patek 5170G?
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30 October 2019, 01:43 AM | #13 |
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Not sure why you want a thicker watch but 5205 will fill the bill.
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30 October 2019, 04:41 AM | #14 |
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What about the the FP Journe chronometre blue? Absolutely love that watch.
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30 October 2019, 08:56 AM | #15 |
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Chopard L.U.C. Lunar One Platinum, the 250 pieces LE version with Arabics instead of the usual Roman numerals.
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/chopard/l...-id9491127.htm When you’re in the price bracket you’ve indicated, it’d be remiss to ignore other options just to try and match the feature set of the 5290. So… hold on to your hat! https://www.chrono24.co.uk/parmigian...-id8352531.htm https://www.chrono24.co.uk/parmigian...id12567968.htm https://www.chrono24.co.uk/langheyne...id12719519.htm https://www.chrono24.co.uk/langheyne...id12594370.htm |
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Some curveballs there! Going to look closely at what Parmigiani have to offer as a big fan of the brand. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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If you're in love with the salmon dial and white metal of the 5270P, there's always the Montblanc (Minerva movement) Heritage Pulsograph in steel that measures 40mm x 12.6mm and lists for $30,000 USD. It's a gorgeous watch with a gorgeous dial but it's not precious metal and not from a prestige brand.
Lange is hard to beat for the money (used especially but even new) and the finishing on any one of them is superior to the finishing on the 5270P. |
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Beware thicker watches as they will fundamentally alter the balance, especially if on a light material like leather.
I love my Lange 1 Moonphase, but anything thicker is really like wearing a hockey-puck on your wrist, held on by string. That's the reason I wasn't attracted to the Mk1 Datograph, stunning backside notwithstanding... |
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That’s quite subjective and dependent on factors such as wrist size and personal preferences. I have a datograph perpetual and I don’t relate to your hockey puck comment. As others have said, Lange has an excellent deployant buckle that helps with larger/heavier watches. I love the Lange 1 MP! |
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If you like the Chronograph complication, my recommendation:
Zenith Flyback Striking 10th Blancpain Leman Rattrapante/Retour en vol Girard Perregaux Classique Foudroyante/Rattrapante You may even be able to have two or all three for your budget |
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No one has mentioned Parmigiani. They have some superb pieces, many with complications and from what I know, incredible movements and finish on a par with PP.
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I'm tempted by the Toric and my local Rolex AD has recently become a stockist, just a shame it doesn't have the case depth I really want. But, the new dial is stunning.
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If the Tonda CALENDRIER ANNUEL had the slate dial of the Tori then I'd be sold!
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Search for Vulcain president watch on google. It has an alarm, can be found in different colors, and sells used for 3K and change. 10K for solid gold.
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