Sub C or Pelagos for my next Rolex?

[Rob519]

I’ve always wanted a sub no date, but it’s so off-putting that you can’t buy one at retail price now. It seems like the supply shortage is directly related to people hoarding new watches with dollar signs on their minds - which is the opposite of what a black no date sub was originally about. For example, I recently stopped in to a highly regarded watch shop in my local area and they won’t even sell you their pre-owned or new steel no dates, Kermits, or hulks they have in stock (because they feel the values will grow exponentially and yes they currently have multiple of each). I get a business’ goal is to make money, but at some point it feels like enthusiasts are being held hostage by investors. I would love a new sub, but I think I’ve answered my own question. Still curious to hear your thoughts! Thanks.

P.S. I have an Air King 14010m 34mm and an Explorer II 16570 Polar, so a black dial Pelagos and eventually an Omega Speedmaster will complete my small collection.

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[Sublovin]

Well....a Pelagos is a Tudor, so it can’t be your next Rolex, but I understand what you are asking. I have a black Pelagos and wear it more than my Submariner. It’s a great watch, and I absolutely recommend it!

[Rob519]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Well....a Pelagos is a Tudor, so it can’t be your next Rolex, but I understand what you are asking. I have a black Pelagos and wear it more than my Submariner. It’s a great watch, and I absolutely recommend it!

Haha ya Rolex/Tudor. :) How does the extra size/thickness wear long term? Doesn’t feel much bulkier than the sub does it? I’m hoping the matte bezel and brushed bracelet help keep it a little understated despite its heft.


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[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by Rob519

Haha ya Rolex/Tudor. :) How does the extra size/thickness wear long term? Doesn’t feel much bulkier than the sub does it? I’m hoping the matte bezel and brushed bracelet help keep it a little understated despite its heft.


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I find it very comfortable, but I also find the DSSD comfortable, so some will disagree. The Pelagos is a great weight...even though it is titanium, it still has a substantial feel to it. Also, I find the titanium case ages better than steel.
I have said this before, but if the Pelagos had a Rolex crown on the dial, people would be lining up to pay $12,000 for it!
Titanium case, 3 day power reserve, helium valve, gorgeous dial, amazing bracelet. The dial has better legibility than any of my dive watches, and the bezel has tremendous action including a stop at 12:00.
Some people can’t get past the name, but again, if I’m being honest, this is a superior watch to the steel Submariner for less than half of the cost!

[JR16]

Originally Posted by Rob519

Haha ya Rolex/Tudor. :) How does the extra size/thickness wear long term? Doesn’t feel much bulkier than the sub does it? I’m hoping the matte bezel and brushed bracelet help keep it a little understated despite its heft.


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I had a Pelagos and SubC, and ended up selling the pelagos- not as comfortable as the sub, kind of thick, and after a while i just lost my initial love for it. Love the sub and in fact later picked up an LVc. The pelagos has been traded toward a new omega Seamaster 300m.

Bottom line - if it’s a sub you want, I think you will regret getting the pelagos. Alternatively, consider the Seamaster as it is not too much more then the pelagos and much more value for the $ IMO.


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[Art 1]

I love the look of the Pelagos. But I just can’t stand the light weight of ti. I wish it was made in ss.

[Rob519]

Originally Posted by Art 1

I love the look of the Pelagos. But I just can’t stand the light weight of ti. I wish it was made in ss.

I was hoping the lighter metal would make the extra size feel less bulky coming from a 40mm Explorer II.


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[michael8238]

Originally Posted by Art 1

I love the look of the Pelagos. But I just can’t stand the light weight of ti. I wish it was made in ss.

While the Ti bracelet does feel quite a bit lighter, the head itself on the Pelagos is actually quite hefty for a ti watch

[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by michael8238

While the Ti bracelet does feel quite a bit lighter, the head itself on the Pelagos is actually quite hefty for a ti watch

Agree. It’s heavier than many of my ss watches

[Sublovin]

Okay, have to chime in here again.
A lot of people who say the Pelagos is too light because it is ti , but must not have tried a Pelagos on. My Pelagos with bracelet weighs MORE than my Submariner with bracelet.
I also like when people say things like, “The Submariner is better in every way.” But can’t name one specific way that it is better. Some people have become so hypnotized by brands that they start to believe nonsense.
Look, I really like Rolex. I have a a bunch of them. That said, I am honest enough with myself to admit that a lot of the appeal is due to the brand history and recognition. Saying a Submariner is better at being a watch than a Pelagos is foolish and I would like someone to substantiate the claim with meaningful facts.
Here are some facts that make the Pelagos “better”
-longer power reserve
-Lumed bezel
-AR coating for better readability of dial
-helium valve (arguable if it is necessary)
-better bezel action (if you actually use the bezel)
If you like it better, then by all means, you are entitled to that, but to say it’s “better” or “superior” just exposes a lack of knowledge as it relates to the two watches in my opinion.
I feel like people often regurgitate information they have heard without ever trying for themselves. Sorry for rambling, this is just what starts to make the social media aspect of this hobby silly.

[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Okay, have to chime in here again.
A lot of people who say the Pelagos is too light because it is ti , but must not have tried a Pelagos on. My Pelagos with bracelet weighs MORE than my Submariner with bracelet.
I also like when people say things like, “The Submariner is better in every way.” But can’t name one specific way that it is better. Some people have become so hypnotized by brands that they start to believe nonsense.
Look, I really like Rolex. I have a a bunch of them. That said, I am honest enough with myself to admit that a lot of the appeal is due to the brand history and recognition. Saying a Submariner is better at being a watch than a Pelagos is foolish and I would like someone to substantiate the claim with meaningful facts.
Here are some facts that make the Pelagos “better”
-longer power reserve
-Lumed bezel
-AR coating for better readability of dial
-helium valve (arguable if it is necessary)
-better bezel action (if you actually use the bezel)
If you like it better, then by all means, you are entitled to that, but to say it’s “better” or “superior” just exposes a lack of knowledge as it relates to the two watches in my opinion.
I feel like people often regurgitate information they have heard without ever trying for themselves. Sorry for rambling, this is just what starts to make the social media aspect of this hobby silly.

That’s very well said! I love my Pelagos. Along with my SD43 it makes for a good change of pace.

[mistercoach32]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Okay, have to chime in here again.
A lot of people who say the Pelagos is too light because it is ti , but must not have tried a Pelagos on. My Pelagos with bracelet weighs MORE than my Submariner with bracelet.
I also like when people say things like, “The Submariner is better in every way.” But can’t name one specific way that it is better. Some people have become so hypnotized by brands that they start to believe nonsense.
Look, I really like Rolex. I have a a bunch of them. That said, I am honest enough with myself to admit that a lot of the appeal is due to the brand history and recognition. Saying a Submariner is better at being a watch than a Pelagos is foolish and I would like someone to substantiate the claim with meaningful facts.
Here are some facts that make the Pelagos “better”
-longer power reserve
-Lumed bezel
-AR coating for better readability of dial
-helium valve (arguable if it is necessary)
-better bezel action (if you actually use the bezel)
If you like it better, then by all means, you are entitled to that, but to say it’s “better” or “superior” just exposes a lack of knowledge as it relates to the two watches in my opinion.
I feel like people often regurgitate information they have heard without ever trying for themselves. Sorry for rambling, this is just what starts to make the social media aspect of this hobby silly.

So spot on. To say a SubC is better than Pelagos in every way is just ignorant in every way. That's based solely on subjectivity and not facts.

I used to be "that guy" until I got over myself and the perceived Rolex status "thing." I'm man enough to admit it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Rolex and I've had many over the years including four Subs (5 digit, two 6 digits, and an LVc....as well as a BLNR, SD43, and others) but there are so many other brands out there that are just as good, if not better, but don't market themselves (intentionally or not) the same way Rolex has/does and that's ok. Once I began to appreciate horology and not just a brand, it opened up a whole new world.

I'm wearing a Pelagos LHD as I type this and if someone held a gun to my head and said I had to pick one for the rest of my life, I could never sell it, and nobody else will ever know what I'm wearing (that last condition is pretty much spot on anyways because I can count on two fingers how many times anyone has ever commented on my watch choice in all my years wearing Rolex), I'd pick my Pelagos.

[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by mistercoach32

So spot on. To say a SubC is better than Pelagos in every way is just ignorant in every way. That's based solely on subjectivity and not facts.

I used to be "that guy" until I got over myself and the perceived Rolex status "thing." I'm man enough to admit it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Rolex and I've had many over the years including four Subs (5 digit, two 6 digits, and an LVc....as well as a BLNR, SD43, and others) but there are so many other brands out there that are just as good, if not better, but don't market themselves (intentionally or not) the same way Rolex has/does and that's ok. Once I began to appreciate horology and not just a brand, it opened up a whole new world.

I'm wearing a Pelagos LHD as I type this and if someone held a gun to my head and said I had to pick one for the rest of my life, I could never sell it, and nobody else will ever know what I'm wearing (that last condition is pretty much spot on anyways because I can count on two fingers how many times anyone has ever commented on my watch choice in all my years wearing Rolex), I'd pick my Pelagos.

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[Undefeatable]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Okay, have to chime in here again.
A lot of people who say the Pelagos is too light because it is ti , but must not have tried a Pelagos on. My Pelagos with bracelet weighs MORE than my Submariner with bracelet.
I also like when people say things like, “The Submariner is better in every way.” But can’t name one specific way that it is better. Some people have become so hypnotized by brands that they start to believe nonsense.
Look, I really like Rolex. I have a a bunch of them. That said, I am honest enough with myself to admit that a lot of the appeal is due to the brand history and recognition. Saying a Submariner is better at being a watch than a Pelagos is foolish and I would like someone to substantiate the claim with meaningful facts.
Here are some facts that make the Pelagos “better”
-longer power reserve
-Lumed bezel
-AR coating for better readability of dial
-helium valve (arguable if it is necessary)
-better bezel action (if you actually use the bezel)
If you like it better, then by all means, you are entitled to that, but to say it’s “better” or “superior” just exposes a lack of knowledge as it relates to the two watches in my opinion.
I feel like people often regurgitate information they have heard without ever trying for themselves. Sorry for rambling, this is just what starts to make the social media aspect of this hobby silly.

This x1000. I have had the pleasure of owning a SubC and Pelagos in the past, and the Pelagos was an amazing watch, actually might be purchasing one very soon. The main thing the SubC does better is value retention. Unfortunately, a lot of people in the watch game now, thats their primary concern.

[JebM]

The difference in retail price and what you can get one for second hand isn't really all that much for the 114060. If you don't have an AD in your area just buy one from chrono or Davidsw.

[Rob519]

Originally Posted by JebM

The difference in retail price and what you can get one for second hand isn't really all that much for the 114060. If you don't have an AD in your area just buy one from chrono or Davidsw.

Roughly $450 more for a 2014 dated warranty (assuming David includes tax) vs new from an AD still seems like a lot.




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[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by Rob519

Roughly $450 more for a 2014 dated warranty (assuming David includes tax) vs new from an AD still seems like a lot.




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Since you are local Florida resident, David will have to add tax to that amount.

[Patton250]

I had the blue Pelagos but sold it. I felt it cut into my wrist and so it was uncomfortable to wear. It was a beautiful watch though. It was actually the most accurate watch I ever owned. It took two weeks for it to lose one second. Hang in there for the no date sub. You’ll get one.

[Patton250]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=709255

Here you go

[Rob519]

I forgot to mention part of what’s impacting my decision is the sub c is about double the price of the pelagos. I would think about selling my Polar if I bought the sub as apposed to feeling comfortable keeping it if I bought the Pelagos.


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[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by Rob519

part of what’s impacting my decision is the sub c is about double the price of the pelagos. I would think about selling my Polar if I bought the sub as apposed to feeling comfortable keeping it if I bought the Pelagos.

It’s a moot point discussing the merits of the Tudor compared to the Rolex.

It sounds like you want the Submariner. The only thing stopping you is price or getting it from a trusted seller would not be an issue because the premium is negligible.

If you already have an AD or trusted seller in mind, just wait until you have the surplus built up to comfortably purchase a Submariner without having to sell a kidney (or in this case your EXP II).

You can’t pay in cash now so go ahead and pay in time. Not like your life depends on having a Submariner anyway.

[brandrea]

If the Pelagos can replace the Submariner in your mind then great! You save a bunch of money and its a great watch.

I get the sense that’s not you though... I’d hold out for the watch you really want, which sounds to me like the Submariner

[JebM]

I'm not sure how the tax works since I think you both are in Florida... maybe have it shipped to a relative out of state and then I think it would be tax free. I think I paid $8119 (with tax) or so from the AD. so $350 + value of the Rolex warranty is the difference. Id get on the list and wait.. but the grey price isn't miles away from retail.

[SergeantBernie]

I have the polar explorer and the pelagos and feel that combo is perfect. The Pelagos is worn on various NATO straps and gets the majority of the wrist time It's an excellent tool watch and my vacation piece. The polar gets two to three days a week and dresses up. The sub is an amazing watch no doubt but for a person with a finite budget and wanting to maximize their horological diversity and use spectrum, I think the polar plus pelagos is a great pair to accomplish that.

[Rashid.bk]

Sounds like you’re settling for a Pelagos, that’s a bad direction. If the Pelagos was on your list to get the Pelagos, then ok, it’ll hold you over until you get the Sub.
But if you’re trying to substitute, that usually doesn’t end well.

[omx5o]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Sounds like you’re settling for a Pelagos, that’s a bad direction. If the Pelagos was on your list to get the Pelagos, then ok, it’ll hold you over until you get the Sub.
But if you’re trying to substitute, that usually doesn’t end well.

Agree with this 100%.

If your heart is set on a Sub then you'll end up getting one at some point anyway. In which case you would end up owning both. I've done this a few times. Don't settle for second best but get the one you actually want. If you think you'd like to own both then yes, get the Pelagos first, but if it has to be one or the other then wait for a Sub opportunity.

[Sublovin]

Pelagos is very versatile as well. In addition to the great bracelet, I like wearing on a NATO, or even this leather ammo style strap for casual wear.



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[Rob519]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Pelagos is very versatile as well. In addition to the great bracelet, I like wearing on a NATO, or even this leather ammo style strap for casual wear.



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That looks really nice. I do think there’s a chance I’ll still want a sub, but I really like the Pelagos and think I need to at least give it a shot (considering the price difference). Thanks everyone for weighing in!


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[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by Rob519

That looks really nice. I do think there’s a chance I’ll still want a sub, but I really like the Pelagos and think I need to at least give it a shot (considering the price difference). Thanks everyone for weighing in!


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I think you will be happy. I have a friend who is a fellow Porsche enthusiast. He owned several Porsche’s but always thought he was working his way up to the Ferrari. In his mind, the Ferrari was the ultimate. Once he purchased his dream Ferrari (458), he only kept it for about a year and realized he enjoyed DRIVING his 911 more. He sold the Ferrari and hasn’t looked back.
Sometimes people need to scratch the itch, but then realize things aren’t what they built them up to be in their mind. I would sell my Submariner in a second before my Pelagos.
That is the luxury of having the extra cash to buy these toys...it isn’t always about MORE, it’s about the freedom to choose what you really like!



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[Oldfellow]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

I think you will be happy. I have a friend who is a fellow Porsche enthusiast. He owned several Porsche’s but always thought he was working his way up to the Ferrari. In his mind, the Ferrari was the ultimate. Once he purchased his dream Ferrari (458), he only kept it for about a year and realized he enjoyed DRIVING his 911 more. He sold the Ferrari and hasn’t looked back.
Sometimes people need to scratch the itch, but then realize things aren’t what they built them up to be in their mind. I would sell my Submariner in a second before my Pelagos.
That is the luxury of having the extra cash to buy these toys...it isn’t always about MORE, it’s about the freedom to choose what you really like!



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Very sensible message here.