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jarohr · 22 January 2020, 01:09 AM

Hi Folks,

I wanted to share my experiences these past few days... I posted that I was looking for a 1999 "SWISS" dial 16570 Explorer II on the "Wanting to Buy" section of the forum. I got a lot of responses and some amazing offers. All of which were total fraudsters. One thing that I found out is that some fraudsters are making lots of posts to this forum as a way to build a history. Unless you know the seller be very careful who you trust. Some of the sellers even have fake feedback and fake references to help support their fake posts. Bottom line. If the deal is too good to be true, don't buy. Buy the seller (make double-sure they are legit) as they say...

Thanks for listening.

Jeff

Rori · 22 January 2020, 01:18 AM

Thanks for sharing Jeff.
The internet if a scary place to make purchases also to sellers as it seems scammers operate as sellers but also as buyers.
Horror stories abandoned so yes, one should buy the seller first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarohr

Hi Folks,

I wanted to share my experiences these past few days... I posted that I was looking for a 1999 "SWISS" dial 16570 Explorer II on the "Wanting to Buy" section of the forum. I got a lot of responses and some amazing offers. All of which were total fraudsters. One thing that I found out is that some fraudsters are making lots of posts to this forum as a way to build a history. Unless you know the buyer be very careful who you trust. Some of the sellers even have fake feedback and fake references to help support their fake posts. Bottom line. If the deal is too good to be true, don't buy. Buy the seller as they say...

Thanks for listening.

Jeff

jackminny15 · 22 January 2020, 01:19 AM

Always a good reminder. So far I have made two deals through TRF, in both instances using trusted sellers. It's the only way I will be able to sleep at night. =)

Rori · 22 January 2020, 01:37 AM

How can new members on this forum 'like myself' know who's a trusted seller and who's not? The OP mentioned that he noticed that many sellers are buying reviews and building history!

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Originally Posted by jackminny15

Always a good reminder. So far I have made two deals through TRF, in both instances using trusted sellers. It's the only way I will be able to sleep at night. =)

GGGMT · 19 February 2020, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rori

How can new members on this forum 'like myself' know who's a trusted seller and who's not? The OP mentioned that he noticed that many sellers are buying reviews and building history!

Rori, this is very easy: go to the classified section, begin following it consistently, note who is posting a lot of high-quality watches for sale, go to the “Who’s Who section,“ and research the various sellers. You will see that there are various sellers who are high-quality, honest, get great reviews on a consistent basis, are selling a high volume of watches, etc., etc.

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Rori · 19 February 2020, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GGGMT

Rori, this is very easy: go to the classified section, begin following it consistently, note who is posting a lot of high-quality watches for sale, go to the “Who’s Who section,“ and research the various sellers. You will see that there are various sellers who are high-quality, honest, get great reviews on a consistent basis, are selling a high volume of watches, etc., etc.

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Thanks for the tip.

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GGGMT · 19 February 2020, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rori

Thanks for the tip.

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You bet. Depending on what you’re looking for, the relevant sellers will emerge. I’ve bought great watches from HQMilton, SoHAIS, Kirill Lunaroyster, Bobs, CWeib. And there are so many more.

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jarohr · 22 January 2020, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackminny15

Always a good reminder. So far I have made two deals through TRF, in both instances using trusted sellers. It's the only way I will be able to sleep at night. =)

How do you know someone is a trusted Seller? Do you mean like DavidSW? It would be nice if this forum had a way to designate someone as a trusted buyer and seller...

I sold the new Rolex Batman here a couple of months ago to a guy in California for more than 14K via wire transfer. The transaction went well, as I am not a scammer and he was a happy camper who got a great deal. But the person who bought it from me took a big leap of faith. Not sure I would have had the gumption to do the same if the situation was reversed... Oye.

Jim Smyth · 22 January 2020, 02:10 AM

The forum doesnt want any liability issues so they wont be endorsing any trusted sellers per say. Its on the buyer to educate themselves. Go into the Whos who section. If the seller has a few thousand sales with no bad reviews I would say its a safe purchase. If they only have a few sales and recommendations from people that have not been on the forum long, not many posts, no posts of substance etc..................stay far away IMO.

Unless you want to be the next guy posting how hes been ripped off and asking on advice on how to proceed. Guard your purchase/sale the best way you can. Call, verify, pictures, Paypal or CC if able, purchase in person, too good to be true means it is! Plenty of ways to insure you get what you pay for and the scammer gets Zip! I hate dishonest people.

jarohr · 22 January 2020, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Smyth

The forum doesnt want any liability issues so they wont be endorsing any trusted sellers per say. Its on the buyer to educate themselves. Go into the Whos who section. If the seller has a few thousand sales with no bad reviews I would say its a safe purchase. If they only have a few sales and recommendations from people that have not been on the forum long, not many posts, no posts of substance etc..................stay far away IMO.

Unless you want to be the next guy posting how hes been ripped off and asking on advice on how to proceed. Guard your purchase/sale the best way you can. Call, verify, pictures, Paypal or CC if able, purchase in person, too good to be true means it is! Plenty of ways to insure you get what you pay for and the scammer gets Zip! I hate dishonest people.

Thanks Jim!

CMSgt Bo · 23 January 2020, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Smyth

Go into the Whos who section. If the seller has a few thousand sales with no bad reviews I would say its a safe purchase...

...unless the account was hacked.

It happens more than you'd think: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=717973

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=719764

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=718235

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=717631

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=718469

Knappo 1307 · 23 January 2020, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CMSgt Bo

...unless the account was hacked.

It happens more than you'd think: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=717973

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=719764

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=718235

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=717631

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=718469

Are you having the same problem on WUS? For those of you that don't know CMSgt Bo is a moderator at WUS.

Jim Smyth · 13 February 2020, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CMSgt Bo

...unless the account was hacked.

It happens more than you'd think: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=717973

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=719764

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=718235

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=717631

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=718469

You are correct and its been going on for a while now. You have to totally vet the seller/buyer by any means possible. Scams are going both ways these days.

beshannon · 22 January 2020, 01:24 AM

As long as there are desperate people on one side of the deal, there will always be scammers.

Desperate to buy hyped watches, desperate to sell to make money . . .

People click on links and respond to anyone that contacts them no matter how many warnings, stickies and stories are posted.

Steve.KS4HE · 13 February 2020, 02:39 AM

I wonder if fake buyers ever approach fake sellers? I wonder how that would go?

Abmatt2002 · 19 February 2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve.KS4HE

I wonder if fake buyers ever approach fake sellers? I wonder how that would go?

The world will end

Chewbacca · 13 February 2020, 03:13 AM

I used to hate the WTB but getting the odd scam email is fun.

Peemaster · 14 February 2020, 04:10 AM

Would it be too much to ask the mods for the most common scam tactics around here? Seems like scammers are putting way more effort into their schemes around here than they would anywhere else...

Edit: wait, yes i know i am a low count poster asking for scam tactics, just forget what I’ve just written...

Chewbacca · 14 February 2020, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Peemaster

Would it be too much to ask the mods for the most common scam tactics around here? Seems like scammers are putting way more effort into their schemes around here than they would anywhere else...

Edit: wait, yes i know i am a low count poster asking for scam tactics, just forget what I’ve just written...

We gotcha now!

JCFans01 · 19 February 2020, 02:55 AM

Looking for a DJ41 in Wimbley dial and was approached by a private seller registered on this forum with some references and actual pictures. Brand new unworn stickered. Selling for $6000 where these usually go above the MSRP. So I'm a bit cautious.

GLADIATOR · 19 February 2020, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JCFans01

Looking for a DJ41 in Wimbley dial and was approached by a private seller registered on this forum with some references and actual pictures. Brand new unworn stickered. Selling for $6000 where these usually go above the MSRP. So I'm a bit cautious.

Who is seller?

JCFans01 · 19 February 2020, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Who is seller?

Adj30

References:
Engi.
Duncanwatch

Thoughts?

GLADIATOR · 19 February 2020, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JCFans01

Adj30

References:
Engi.
Duncanwatch

Thoughts?

reported to mods

JCFans01 · 19 February 2020, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

reported to mods

How are you so sure this is a scam? Just curious so I can spot them in the future myself. Account says based in London, UK but over email said he's in FL. I offered to fly down to FL to do the transaction in person and he seems to have stopped replying.

JCFans01 · 19 February 2020, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JCFans01

Looking for a DJ41 in Wimbley dial and was approached by a private seller registered on this forum with some references and actual pictures. Brand new unworn stickered. Selling for $6000 where these usually go above the MSRP. So I'm a bit cautious.

I would like to correct my post that the watch is in fact bought in 2018 and in like new condition. The pictures that were sent to me look fairly new with no visible marks or scratches at all--my mistake thinking they were brand new.

I stand corrected. But minutes after I posted this I got an angry email from the private seller with countless expletives.

Nadi090 · 19 February 2020, 04:40 AM

Thanks for this post and the comments guys...

BrazenC5 · 19 February 2020, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarohr

Hi Folks,

I wanted to share my experiences these past few days... I posted that I was looking for a 1999 "SWISS" dial 16570 Explorer II on the "Wanting to Buy" section of the forum. I got a lot of responses and some amazing offers. All of which were total fraudsters. One thing that I found out is that some fraudsters are making lots of posts to this forum as a way to build a history. Unless you know the seller be very careful who you trust. Some of the sellers even have fake feedback and fake references to help support their fake posts. Bottom line. If the deal is too good to be true, don't buy. Buy the seller (make double-sure they are legit) as they say...

Thanks for listening.

Jeff

I know a very reputable seller out of Virginia that has one with box papers on his website. PM me if your interested.

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WatchLurv · 19 February 2020, 03:50 PM

Dont we always go with the saying: Buy the seller?

JCFans01 · 20 February 2020, 01:26 AM

Update: my private seller is now enraged with me checking up on him in the forum [which I told him I would] and have now told me that he refused to sell me the watch.

So bummed I won't get it at a much discounted price.

GLADIATOR · 20 February 2020, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCFans01

Update: my private seller is now enraged with me checking up on him in the forum [which I told him I would] and have now told me that he refused to sell me the watch.

So bummed I won't get it at a much discounted price.

Sounds a "RED FLAG" to me
You are better out of it!

22 January 2020, 01:09 AM	#1
jarohr "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 131	Wanting to Buy and Scammers Hi Folks, I wanted to share my experiences these past few days... I posted that I was looking for a 1999 "SWISS" dial 16570 Explorer II on the "Wanting to Buy" section of the forum. I got a lot of responses and some amazing offers. All of which were total fraudsters. One thing that I found out is that some fraudsters are making lots of posts to this forum as a way to build a history. Unless you know the seller be very careful who you trust. Some of the sellers even have fake feedback and fake references to help support their fake posts. Bottom line. If the deal is too good to be true, don't buy. Buy the seller (make double-sure they are legit) as they say... Thanks for listening. Jeff Last edited by jarohr; 22 January 2020 at 01:33 AM.. Reason: Fixing a couple of typos

22 January 2020, 01:24 AM	#14
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	As long as there are desperate people on one side of the deal, there will always be scammers. Desperate to buy hyped watches, desperate to sell to make money . . . People click on links and respond to anyone that contacts them no matter how many warnings, stickies and stories are posted. __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

22 January 2020, 01:19 AM	#3
jackminny15 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Minnesota Watch: Always changin' Posts: 995	Always a good reminder. So far I have made two deals through TRF, in both instances using trusted sellers. It's the only way I will be able to sleep at night. =)

22 January 2020, 02:10 AM	#9
Jim Smyth Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Jim Smyth Location: Florida Watch: DD Posts: 1,842	The forum doesnt want any liability issues so they wont be endorsing any trusted sellers per say. Its on the buyer to educate themselves. Go into the Whos who section. If the seller has a few thousand sales with no bad reviews I would say its a safe purchase. If they only have a few sales and recommendations from people that have not been on the forum long, not many posts, no posts of substance etc..................stay far away IMO. Unless you want to be the next guy posting how hes been ripped off and asking on advice on how to proceed. Guard your purchase/sale the best way you can. Call, verify, pictures, Paypal or CC if able, purchase in person, too good to be true means it is! Plenty of ways to insure you get what you pay for and the scammer gets Zip! I hate dishonest people.

13 February 2020, 02:39 AM	#15
Steve.KS4HE "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 7	I wonder if fake buyers ever approach fake sellers? I wonder how that would go?

13 February 2020, 03:13 AM	#17
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	I used to hate the WTB but getting the odd scam email is fun.

14 February 2020, 04:10 AM	#18
Peemaster Banned Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Cologne Posts: 47	Would it be too much to ask the mods for the most common scam tactics around here? Seems like scammers are putting way more effort into their schemes around here than they would anywhere else... Edit: wait, yes i know i am a low count poster asking for scam tactics, just forget what I’ve just written...

19 February 2020, 02:55 AM	#20
JCFans01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 52	Looking for a DJ41 in Wimbley dial and was approached by a private seller registered on this forum with some references and actual pictures. Brand new unworn stickered. Selling for $6000 where these usually go above the MSRP. So I'm a bit cautious.

19 February 2020, 04:40 AM	#26
Nadi090 Banned Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: The States Watch: OysterPerpetual 39 Posts: 121	Thanks for this post and the comments guys...

19 February 2020, 03:50 PM	#28
WatchLurv Banned Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Moon Watch: Swiss Posts: 2,270	Dont we always go with the saying: Buy the seller?

20 February 2020, 01:26 AM	#29
JCFans01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 52	Update: my private seller is now enraged with me checking up on him in the forum [which I told him I would] and have now told me that he refused to sell me the watch. So bummed I won't get it at a much discounted price.

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